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Why do mages need staves?


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I've always had a thought or two on this one....lots of magicy people seem to use focus items...tarot cards, crystal balls, wands and all that, and have always been presented with them. The staff is a great one, as it should provide an active focus (look at fire spells - they literally light the fire from their hands and channel it down the staff length) AND something to aim with too. Then, if you look at being tired after chucking magic about, it'll hold you up...you're not as trained (strong and fit) as warriors, so it helps in supporting/wandering about ways too, PLUS, if you look from a martial artist's point of view, it's balanced in the middle, it can easily be spun round...a spear is a staff with a spikey bit...many warriors use spears in a similar way to staves as a weapon. You don't want some nasty walking up to you and not have a weapon, and a staff is very much a great defensive weapon.

This. In-universe, a mage's staff probably contains enchantments that help draw and store energy from the Fade. Mages typically aren't trained in physical combat, and a staff is just about the simplest weapon there is. Also, considering that Irving gives the mage Warden one on passing the Harrowing, it seems likely that they double as a ceremonial status symbol. Or as an easily visible marker for people to pick out of a crowd so they know who to stay away from.



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Still would have liked a second weapon set for the mages though, like the books the enemy mages have....



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Because carrying arround a giant neon signe saying I AM A MAGE would be silly now wouldnt it.


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Where are the wands/orbs/books?



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Where are the wands/orbs/books?


They're there, but are limeted to being used by villains and most are plot items

Realistically, staves are probably cheaper to make than enchanted rings, necklaces and books. Are very portable and have enough surface area to add runes, lyrium, knives, etc

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It makes you wonder why he was called a wizard...  :rolleyes:

Because he was a god and one of only five individuals in Middle-earth capable of magic (six if you count Sauron, debatably seven with the possible addition of the Witch-king--but personally I think that was just superstition). Humans call what Elves do magic, but Elves and Maiar don't--basically Elves and Dwarves are just really good at making things and Men call it magical.

 

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Couldn't they go with this?

 

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I love it lol



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Magic was basically never that in fantasy tropes beside Tolkien in modern fantasy. D&D is 100% based on "pew pew" and abusing rest.


In original D&D it didn't matter how times you rested in a day, you only got 1 set of spells in a 24 hour period. The D&D CRPGs got many things wrong, this is one of them, but they were still better than the magic machine guns we have now.

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It's help them focus.



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KE can't ditch the staff? So how does the enchant blade thingy works?



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Topic says it all. I might add why cant my knight enchanter ditch the staff and just walk around with the spirit blade

Because "iconic looks" and "visceral combat". Or whatever the buzzword du jour happens to be in the graphics department.

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KE can't ditch the staff? So how does the enchant blade thingy works?

It's in their left hand.



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Murloc Knight

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Okay I just checked some videos of how the blade works. I actually thought it was a sustained abilty much like the bound swords in skyrim.



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I've been thinking for a while that the mage needed another weapon style like warrior and rogue. You could go with staff for one style and maybe giant tome for the other, or a wand (rod of fire, ice, spirit, storm?) Or just cast with your hands, throwing around magical energy and weaving spells. It's something to think about.

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The generic wizard has a robe and a staff, because Gandalf had a robe and a staff. Gandalf had a robe and a staff, because Odin had a robe and a staff as the Wanderer. Odin the Wanderer had a robe, because it's a simple and practical garment historically worn by a lot of people in many different cultures. He had a staff, because travellers often carried one. Travellers had a staff, because it's convenient when you're walking for long distances, and it doubles as a cheap and effective weapon that usually isn't illegal for a commoner to carry.

Today in the West we tend to associate robes with the church and the academia. Because mages occupy similar societal roles in many fantasy settings, it feels reasonable that they should wear robes. They might wear armor under the robe, but in general people don't want to wear armor, unless they have to. Armor tends to be heavy, hot, and uncomfortable, if you use it for extended periods of time.

In many fantasy settings, the staff of a mage is justified as a magical antenna that is used to shape and focus the magical energy. Many of these settings also justify the lack of armor by stating that metal armor interferes with the flow of magic, or at least makes the mage less sensitive to it. Maybe it's just the general size and shape of the staff that makes it useful, or perhaps the staff has to be specially prepared to act as a focus. In some settings, mages can use other weapons as foci, but they can't switch to different weapons easily, because different foci shape the magic differently.
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Wands would be so much more fitting in DA seeing as how mages had to be discrete for so long. I think they were afraid of Harry Potter comparisons though.


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I dig the stave. Makes me feel like Donatello. ;)

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I dig the stave. Makes me feel like Donatello. ;)

 

The sculptor or the turtle?



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Wands would be so much more fitting in DA seeing as how mages had to be discrete for so long. I think they were afraid of Harry Potter comparisons though.

 

but it would complement my Emma Watson mage I am planning to create :)



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The sculptor or the turtle?


I kind of want to leave this ambiguous.

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I like what Hawke was doing in the destiny trailer. He didn't use magic very often in the fight,so that when he did use it was cathartic and climactic,just like Gandalf.

 

There is value in restraint.

 

Here is a vid from TUN talking about adding the "magic" to magic in fiction.

 



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In the books, the stave helps them focus their energy and cast more efficiently and with greater power. It's sort of a tool for channeling. 



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I like what some MMo games did such as Aion with books (!!!!!) And orbs.

 

Yes, yes yes yes and yes. ALL of my yes.

 

Aion's "mages" are awsumsauce.



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Magic was basically never that in fantasy tropes beside Tolkien in modern fantasy. D&D is 100% based on "pew pew" and abusing rest.

Someone never played 2nd edition it seems...


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Man, I really wish I could put a Bow on my Mage Inquisitor, or give him a Mace.

 

Hell, if he even used his staff like a Spear, I'd atleast accept that.