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[keithianw]

OK. I tried this game a couple of  months ago for 2 hours, but never stayed with it because I couldnt play an MMO and this at the same time. After realizing I am totally burn out from MMOs, I want to try this again. However, this is not the kind of game I am used to. I am used to creating a magic class and controlling that class, and maybe in certain games Ill have a pet or companion that follows me along with a few skills. In this game, you make your class, and then you get 3 companions.

1) Since I am building a mage I want that to be my primary character I am controlling. However, as a mage, I  need a tank, maybe with 2 other mages or one mage and another class. On that note, when I tried the combat several weeks ago, I noticed that the character I control leads my others. Then the battle starts and my own character is in the front and a target since he is leading. Is there a way to prevent me from always being in the front as a mage so that I can still control my mage but have the tank always be the one in front and taking the initial hit?

2) Do I need to reset my expectation that even though I built a mage, that no one character is controlled more then the other?

3) Should I always be walking around with the tank instead before battles start so my own self created character is in the back?

4) Will I be spending as much time trying to upgrade my companions equipment and stats as much as my own?

5) How do I get my party in the right formation right off the bat and have my tank lead (without controlling him if possible) and me in the back while everyone else is in the middle somewhere?

I think being this is strategy combat and no so much like my favorite game, Baldurs Gate, that I need my expectations reset so I can enjoy the game from day 1. Please be nice :-)

Any helpful advice would be appreciated.

Thanks

[EzraMichael]

I wouldn't say you need to reset your expectations. If you want to control your main character the most, a mage is prolly the best choice actually. A few things you might want to try are things you already figured out: When you know your running into a fight, lead with your tank shield bash then taunt if needed then jump to your mage and blow stuff up. if you have your tactics set right you should be able to play most battles as your mage. But keep in mind you will have to jump to other characters every once in awhile. make sure they are drinking potions, using specific abilities you couldn't put in tactics etc. No matter how well you set up tactics the AI will never be as smart as you are obviously and things will go awry if you don' lend a helping hand. And yes I would say you spend most of your time upgrading your warriors equipment, then rogue then mage. It would be really hard to have your tank take the brunt of the aggro if you're leading in with a mage...unless maybe you lead in with mage, cone of cold, then move him back as your warriors run in. You are pretty much on the right track, you'll figure it out. Most importantly just have fun! Btw, if you turn your mage into arcane warrior you can basically get rid of your tank if you build him a certain way. I personally think they are way overpowered and make the game too easy...

[EzraMichael]

P.S. I hope I helped...I have a tendency to ramble on and not really answer questions...

[dkjestrup]

Grab your Mage, another Mage, probably Wynne, and Leliana (an archer). Set up Alistar as your tank with 100% spell resist.



Then just nuke like you normally would, without worrying about friendly fire. Wynne is probably the best choice, since you don't need to micro manage her, just set her healing tactics up.

[EzraMichael]

DK is right, 2 mages, one healing, one CC/Nuke, a tank and rogue is the best. If you want a bit more of a challenge two warriors (tank and DPS), a rogue for lock picking and bow, and one mage is a lot harder. Three mages and a tanker is just unfair...

[SusanStoHelit]

Two mages is a blast, with a tank and a rogue for utility (I like archer with that combination too). But it isn't really harder to go mage, tank, other dps (dw rogue or 2-hander warrior), and rogue archer. It's just different.



And yes, setting up your companions is just as crucial as setting up yourself. And NEVER let the game auto-level them. Do it yourself.

[Phoenix Swordsinger]

I don't know, I have a great time with one mage, a rogue, a tank and a dps.

[Wompoo]

You don't need a dedicated tank on any level of difficulty and my personal preference for a group is Mage (PC) Oghren 2 hander (zero taunt), Morrigan and Liliana. 2 Mages with complementary CC can rip apart almost anything, making the requirement of a dedicated tank completely unnecessary. Oghren with Heavy plate attracts agro well enough and does a bucket load of damage. There was/is only one point in the entire game that I used Oghren to lead and open a door... and that is the Circle Tower, with a group of Templars all unleashing holy smite on any mage opening the door.


Both mages came with a single heal and a group heal, that is it, main with a ress... the rest of the spell load out is a mixture of damage and CC. You do not require a dedicated healer with 2 CC/damage builds present and I find Wynn to be an unnecessary member.

You are not going to be able to swap party formations like BG/BG2/Icewind Dale etc etc. It is not a 2d Sprite based game completely designed for the isometric viewing.

Spread the wealth around, don't be a gear hog... Oghren I always give Starfang 2 hander... also never auto level.

Modifié par Wompoo, 25 janvier 2010 - 05:23 .

[keithianw]

Thanks guys. That was actually helpful and its good to get different opinions. I just got out of the hallow and read what you each wrote. I think Im either going to go with 2 mages, a tank and a rouge, or 3 mages and a tank. You actually did help by getting me to realize that I will have to use the tactics and better understand them and realize I will have to bounce a little around between characters. Now that I can accept that up front, Ill enjoy this  more this time. I know it sounds silly, but realizing something like that right away does help when you are not used to games like this. Leading with the tank right before the battle starts is probably a good idea, so thanks. Something tells me when I built my character I should have gone with the extra tactic slot, but Im not sure if it is really that important right now.

One of the biggest challenges Im having is the controls and the camera/mouse buttons. I am so used to WOW, AOC, Vanguard, Warhammer, EQ2 and Lord of the Rings Online controls (all of which are almost identical), that any variation is tricky, but Ill get used to it :-) I wish for example that when I use the Q to turn left, that the camera would automatically follow. I dont see an option for that. Id rather have the A and D move left and move right and the camera follow. I would then rather use the Q and E to strafe, but I dont see that option either. Also, I wish there was a way to turn off the point and move to that spot like Diablo used to do. I hate that :-)

Modifié par keithianw, 25 janvier 2010 - 08:04 .

[SusanStoHelit]

I see that you're on PC. You can use the options to set the keys to whatever you want (that the game has).



If you're not against mods, get the Advanced Tactics mod. There are also mods that will let you get all the tactics slot without putting in points - check out the Projects page here, and also dragonagenexus.com



Further, check out the various build guides to get an idea of what works in DAO build-wise. It's very different from an mmorpg.

[keithianw]

SusanStoHelit wrote...

I see that you're on PC. You can use the options to set the keys to whatever you want (that the game has).

If you're not against mods, get the Advanced Tactics mod. There are also mods that will let you get all the tactics slot without putting in points - check out the Projects page here, and also dragonagenexus.com

Further, check out the various build guides to get an idea of what works in DAO build-wise. It's very different from an mmorpg.

Thanks. No, I am not against Mods. I used them to totally change the game of Oblivion.. It can be annoying when a patch comes out and then the mod is affected, so I tend not to use them too much as I am not that technical. However, the advanced tactic one makes sense so I will check that out. As far as the keys, I saw in options you could change them, but per my paragraph above, I didnt see away to change them to what I described above :-(. No biggie. Since Ill be playing on easy mode everything I mentioned shouldnt be a big deal. Thanks for the helpful post.

[keithianw]

SusanStoHelit wrote...

I see that you're on PC. You can use the options to set the keys to whatever you want (that the game has).

If you're not against mods, get the Advanced Tactics mod. There are also mods that will let you get all the tactics slot without putting in points - check out the Projects page here, and also dragonagenexus.com

Further, check out the various build guides to get an idea of what works in DAO build-wise. It's very different from an mmorpg.

Thanks. No, I am not against Mods. I used them to totally change the game of Oblivion.. It can be annoying when a patch comes out and then the mod is affected, so I tend not to use them too much as I am not that technical. However, the advanced tactic one makes sense so I will check that out. As far as the keys, I saw in options you could change them, but per my paragraph above, I didnt see away to change them to what I described above :-(. No biggie. Since Ill be playing on easy mode everything I mentioned shouldnt be a big deal. Thanks for the helpful post.

[Addai]

I'll chime in and say that I also like a 2-mage party when I'm playing a mage. If you set your tank to Threaten or Taunt (go to tactics and set Self-->Any-->Use ability- Taunt), enemies will go for him and it doesn't really matter if you are out front at first. However, on occasion you may want your rogue to lead. He/she can stealth ahead and disarm traps. If you don't like to micromanage your party members, you may want to play at Easy difficulty.

[SusanStoHelit]

Some people run no-mage parties. It's well within the range of the possible - not my cup of tea, but still doable. Don't worry too much about the 'right' classes in your party, instead think in terms covering all your bases; making sure someone in your party (whatever their class) can perform the various jobs you need them to do.



Compared to a full mmorpg team of 8, or even 12, people it's a cake walk. Not in terms of ease of combat, but in terms of the number of things you have to take into consideration. Much less the personalities of those on the team, and the danger of leechers if you pug it. (Don't get me started.)

[Jannamarie]

I played over half of the game with three mages and a rogue. Morrigan leveled to get the AOE death cloud, PC leveled to have blizzard, inferno, and Wynne leveled to have earthquake. Not much stands up to that and Leiliana with arrow of death (or is it slaying) ability. If need be, as a ranger, Leiliana can call up a wolf or bear to tank. I call it my all girl party.

[Jannamarie]

I think the hardest PC to play in DAO is a warrior. Then a rogue. And by far the easiest is a mage.

[wby87]

I think your questions all mostly related to how does tactics system work, and whether it functions well or not. If so, you can read
http://dragonage.wik...om/wiki/Tactics
and other helpful tactics guide and figure out how to make characters you don't control to automatically behave.

Or I see two alternatives:

1: play on easy or normal, since it is your first playthrough anyway. I played a mage on easy my first playthrough, and I did not bother with Tactics until I realized what it is at level 17.
Your party all comes with decent default tactics behaviors, I'm sure those are enough to carry you through.

2: build a crazy good character so you can solo the game yourself. Your can then left other party members doing whatever they like.

or do both

edit: I auto-leveled all other party members during the first playthrough. And as crappy as they were, they pwned on easy difficulty.

Modifié par wby87, 26 janvier 2010 - 06:59 .