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I noticed immediately. I've always loved the blood spatter, even purposely used staffs with physical damage runes in DA2 just so that melee attacks with the staff would get made Hawke bloody. I pay a lot of attention to it.


I think his point is that it looked good enough that he didn't stop thinking about it.

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When I saw the first video he uploaded I thought it looked pretty good. Then I saw the new ones he uploaded and now I'm rushing to craigslist to find a Xbox One or PS4. It looks terrible.

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I think his point is that it looked good enough that he didn't stop thinking about it.

 

Don't you mean "did stop thinking"? Not stopping thinking about it means you did focus on it, not the opposite.



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When I saw the first video he uploaded I thought it looked pretty good. Then I saw the new ones he uploaded and now I'm rushing to craigslist to find a Xbox One or PS4. It looks terrible.

 

No it does not look terrible.

 

Don't you mean "did stop thinking"? Not stopping thinking about it means you did focus on it, not the opposite.

 

It looked nice! I did not even think of it as a problem.



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Don't you mean "did stop thinking"? Not stopping thinking about it means you did focus on it, not the opposite.


Yeah, I meant did stop.

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Have you played the game on a old-gen console or that is just and opinon you got from a gameplayvideo that doesn't even show 1/4 on how the game looks for real?
 
I had my friend over today. (he is going to play on xbox360) and he wanted to use my tv. It looked gorgeous. (I did not want to watch the intro of the game but I watched some dialoge and combat) So what you are saying is not a fact.

I don't need to play the game on the 360, I can watch 720p@60 FPS capture videos.
 
The Frostbite Engine scales very well and Bioware did a great job on porting the game to the lastgen consoles. It still looks terrible on the PS3/360 because those consoles are just completely outdated.

 

BTW, how did you guys get the game so early? ;)
 

Doesn't look bad to me. Sure beats the hell out of DA2, by miles.

I don't doubt that.
 
The PS3/360 version still looks terrible in comparision to the PS4/XBONE/PC version.



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I mean this-

 

the blood on Varric's arm

 

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Look at the blood on the shield-

 

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Did it look blocky like that on your version? I mean, you can see that the spatter is just a bunch of red squares put in a pattern to look like a smear. It's immersion breaking.



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I don't need to play the game on the 360, I can watch 720p@60 FPS capture videos.
 
The Frostbite Engine scales very well and Bioware did a great job on porting the game to the lastgen consoles. It still looks terrible on the PS3/360 because those consoles are just completely outdated.
 

I don't doubt that.
 
The PS3/360 version still looks terrible in comparision to the PS4/XBONE/PC version.

 

Yeah, your opinion. I saw the xbox360 gameplay live and It looked great. So. I think nothing good will come out of this discussion.



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Another youtuber posted a video (cellphone footage) of xbox 360 game play. This time with a blonde female warrior. The hair still doesnt look right to me. Surely Bioware should be able to make the hair less shiny? That being said, the rest looks decent to me. Cant wait to play this (on my 360!).

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Yeah, your opinion. I saw the xbox360 gameplay live and It looked great. So. I think nothing good will come out of this discussion.

Ok.

 

How did you get the 360 version so early then? Don't tell me you're a pirate.



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Another youtuber posted a video (cellphone footage) of xbox 360 game play. This time with a blonde female warrior. The hair still doesnt look right to me. Surely Bioware should be able to make the hair less shiny? That being said, the rest looks decent to me. Cant wait to play this (on my 360!).

 

I watched that vid at max resolution, the blood spatter didn't look as bad there. I'm a bit hopeful now.



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Ok.

 

How did you get the 360 version so early then? Don't tell me you're a pirate.

 

Read my other recent comments. A friend of mine had access.

 

And for that matter, why so condescending? A lot of people have been waiting a long time for this game and a lot of people will be playing on a old-gen console. It looks fine so why do you need to bring everybody down by saying that it looks rubbish?



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i saw this..interesting...so no install the play disc makes the load faster..

http://www.reddit.co...lling_the_disc/



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And for that matter, why so condescending? A lot of people have been waiting a long time for this game and a lot of people will be playing on a old-gen console. It looks fine so why do you need to bring everybody down by saying that it looks rubbish?

The real question is why do you have such a problem with my opinion? I think it looks good for 360 game, but terrible in comparison to the PS4/XBONE/PC version. I think most people agree too.



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The real question is why do you have such a problem with my opinion? I think it looks good for 360 game, but terrible in comparison to the PS4/XBONE/PC version. I think most people agree too.

 

Of course it looks better. But not that much.



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When I saw the first video he uploaded I thought it looked pretty good. Then I saw the new ones he uploaded and now I'm rushing to craigslist to find a Xbox One or PS4. It looks terrible.

Good to see you don't live in denial ;)

 

 

 

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I'm always amazed by the amount of people defending their old consoles that are 9 years old now, they are practically end of life.. give or take a year and AAA devs wont even port down to Last Gen. (ubifail wont be bringen out AAA multiplats on last gen anymore next year)

 

Old gen looks atrocious, having played all versions as part of a gaming network that does pre/re-views i can seriously say the level off immersion is nearly non existant on old gen.. really bad aliasing, stutter, poor FPS in battle and just generaly bad textures.. no thanks.

 

All i can advise, upgrade your PC, buy a PS4, the full experience is not to be found on last gen..



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i saw this..interesting...so no install the play disc makes the load faster..

http://www.reddit.co...lling_the_disc/

 

That's... Not how it works. That guy is full of rubbish.



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Good to see you don't live in denial ;)

 

 

 

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I'm always amazed by the amount of people defending their old consoles that are 9 years old now, they are practically end of life.. give or take a year and AAA devs wont even port down to Last Gen. (ubifail wont be bringen out AAA multiplats on last gen anymore next year)

 

Old gen looks atrocious, having played all versions as part of a gaming network that does pre/re-views i can seriously say the level off immersion is nearly non existant on old gen.. really bad aliasing, stutter, poor FPS in battle and just generaly bad textures.. no thanks.

 

All i can advise, upgrade your PC, buy a PS4, the full experience is not to be found on last gen..

 

Gamers like you make gaming itself and the gaming industry worse. Last gen looks terrible to you? Really? Guess you're the kind of person that doesn't play a game over 5 years old because you think it's too much of a dinosaur by then.



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That's... Not how it works. That guy is full of rubbish.

Well actually, it is true.

 

Was the same for GTA V... look up digital foundry.



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Gamers like you make gaming itself and the gaming industry worse. Last gen looks terrible to you? Really? Guess you're the kind of person that doesn't play a game over 5 years old because you think it's too much of a dinosaur by then.

Not at all, just realistic. I still play the ocarina of time every now and then..

 

There is a difference in a game being a watered down port only made available because there is still quite some people on 9yo hardware.. and playing a game that is old and shows 'aging' visuals.

 

If you buy a new game, it should look good, not barely running and looking like **** because you're gaming on ancient hardware. and even if it does.. it voids your right to complain.. i mean who else plays a game on 9 year old hardware and still has demands?

 

And incase its just the visuals.. less NPCS on screen, stutter, pop in and frame rate drops well below 30 in battle.. Immersion takes quite a hit when you play on last gen.. you're being fed only a slice of the experience you get on CG or PC.


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Well actually, it is true.

 

Was the same for GTA V... look up digital foundry.

 

Installing lowers loading speeds. This whole "when it's reading off the disk and HDD at the same time it speeds it up!" thing isn't how it works. If it was, installing would never speed up load times of 360 games. Instead of that happening, it universally always speeds them up. All not installing a disk gets you is a broken 360. Mine is a 2004 model and has only needed repairs once... For a graphic card failure. You don't install games-you deal with longer load times and a far high risk of a dead console. Spreading information that you're better off not installing won't help anyone.

 

And if that is somehow true, I'll get the PS3 version. I'm not going to put my 360 through the hell of actually having to stream off the disk, I'm not tolerating that for one game that decided to break the rules about installing.



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Gamers like you make gaming itself and the gaming industry worse. Last gen looks terrible to you? Really? Guess you're the kind of person that doesn't play a game over 5 years old because you think it's too much of a dinosaur by then.

Don't be ridiculous. It has nothing to do with not playing old titles because they don't look as good. It's about pushing technology forward and getting better looking, larger and more expansive games as a result. Look at Batman: Arkham Knight and The Witcher 3. Two perfect examples. The last gen version of Dragon Age obviously looks worse than current gen and PC, by virtue of old hardware. I could easily be as dismissive of your opinion and claim that gamers like you are holding the industry back by sticking to technology that's almost a decade old. 

If you're used to looking at games a certain way (a PC gamer looking at a last gen version of a game, for example) then of course the low end version is going to look bad to you. Whereas somebody who has been gaming only on an Xbox 360 or a PS3 is naturally going to have a different opinion. 



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Not at all, just realistic. I still play the ocarina of time every now and then..

 

There is a difference in a game being a watered down port only made available because there is still quite some people on 9yo hardware.. and playing a game that is old and shows 'aging' visuals.

 

If you buy a new game, it should look good, not barely running and looking like **** because you're gaming on ancient hardware. and even if it does.. it voids your right to complain.. i mean who else plays a game on 9 year old hardware and still has demands?

 

And incase its just the visuals.. less NPCS on screen, stutter, pop in and frame rate drops well below 30 in battle..

 

Third time I've needed to repost this today. Guess the next-gen and PC elitists are out in full force right now.

 

"There are better looking games on the 360, right now. So don't act like shiny hair and blocky blood and bad pop-in is the case because it's on a last-gen console when I have other open world or semi-open world games for the same console that has none of those problems. You next-gen and PC owners are really quite ignorant in your assumptions about the last gen. You think it's because the console sucked, and I know it's because they didn't put full effort it. The 360 and PS3 can do better than what I'm seeing in that 360 video. I know because I've seen it."



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Installing lowers loading speeds. This whole "when it's reading off the disk and HDD at the same time it speeds it up!" thing isn't how it works. If it was, installing would never speed up load times of 360 games. Instead of that happening, it universally always speeds them up. All not installing a disk gets you is a broken 360. Mine is a 2004 model and has only needed repairs once... For a graphic card failure. You don't install games-you deal with longer load times and a far high risk of a dead console. Spreading information that you're better off not installing won't help anyone.

 

And if that is somehow true, I'll get the PS3 version. I'm not going to put my 360 through the hell of actually having to stream off the disk, I'm not tolerating that for one game that decided to break the rules about installing.

Like i said look up digital foudnry if you need video evidence :)

 

Its got to do with available bandwith troughput over your BUS pipes

 

See it as a sewer, put to much in it it gets congested.

 

It constantly streams of the HDD (the install disc) using BUS1, when you use the DVD it streams the play disc to your computing units trough BUS2. Now this was circumvented with GTA V by installing the play disc to a USB device, so it would still follow a different route to your GPCPU, not exceeding the bandwith the HDD could transfer to the CPGPU.

 

Now this issue is at the moment only happening on the 360 mainly with open world games due to the amount of data being streamed. No flaw in the console, since 9 years ago they couldnt have foreseen this.

 

 

 

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Your arguments are complete failures, ofcourse theyre not going to spend time on old consoles.. they're end of life.... theyre doing you a service releasing at all on that hardware!

 

Why do you get blocky textures? because ALL the hardware is occupied trying to run the rest of the game in an acceptable standard, which barely just barely is working..

 

FPS already takes huge drops in combat.



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Like i said look up digital foudnry if you need video evidence :)

 

Its got to do with available bandwith troughput over your BUS pipes

 

See it as a sewer, put to much in it it gets congested.

 

It constantly streams of the HDD (the install disc) using BUS1, when you use the DVD it streams the play disc to your computing units trough BUS2. Now this was circumvented with GTA V by installing the play disc to a USB device, so it would still follow a different route to your GPCPU, not exceeding the bandwith the HDD could transfer to the CPGPU.

 

 

 

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Your arguments are complete failures, ofcourse theyre not going to spend time on old consoles.. they're end of life.... theyre doing you a service releasing at all on that hardware!

 

Then the PS3 version better look good. I'm about to watch a vid of that version, I guess I'll see. I've heard the user interface is messed up on that version, hopefully that's false.