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[Br3admax]

That analogy isn't even close to being accurate. Cassandra was very close to Justinia, Leliana even more so (though she makes clear their relationship wasn't romantic, Leliana truly loved Justinia and it appears that the feeling was mutual). Working for Justinia in one capacity does not exclude them from informally serving in another, nor does it mean that they could not form a personal bond with her. 

Except you know, Cassandra comes right out and says what she does. You speculating on what they can do has no bearing on what they say they do. They aren't clerics and don't know how to be. 

[Heimdall]

If my interpretation is correct, I actually sort of wish I hadn't seen it. Would rather have gone into the game fresh for the major choices like this. I think I'll bow out of the BSN for the next week or so. 

Thats what I keep telling myself yet here I am

[herkles]

I think that maybe it's just dialogue about who they think should be the new Divine, not necessarily that they are a candidate for being it.  Time will tell.

 

That is what I am thinking as well. 

[TheKomandorShepard]

 

Leliana, no brainer. 

 

About her being an assassin, Isn't a divine some kind of church rank parallel to RL pope ? If so, can't see it being a problem at all. It's not like all of the popes in our history were all that "saint".

 

They need clean reputation and look like saint previous divine was almost destroyed because there were some unclean rumors about her ,good luck with leliana past or even current doings.

[AresKeith]

The fact that it says Vivienne is a choice makes me call BS on this 

[Wissenschaft 2.0]

What? I'm surprised people aren't more excited by this possibility. What better way to make the Chantry more pro mage than to have a mage as the new Divine. Where are the pro-Tevinter fans when you need them? Go team Vivienne.

 

[Bigdoser]

What? I'm surprised people aren't more excited by this possibility. What better way to make the Chantry more pro mage than to have a mage as the new Divine. Where are the pro-Tevinter fans when you need them? Go team Vivienne.

 

I know right the Tevinter fans will jump as this opportunity honestly from the look of things viv seems to be trying to gain more power to create reforms than through rebellion. Impressive.  

[(Disgusted noise.)]

I sort of had a feeling this might be something we end up having a hand in, if this is what it appears to be, but I never thought Vivienne would be an option. That seems crazy unless you can completely restructure how the Chantry operates. Anyway Leliana could be a good Divine, but Cassandra would be an outstanding one and is going to get the position if I have any say in it.

[TheKomandorShepard]

If they put already such ridiculous candidates they could at least put lambert there.

[ewauksonian]

If they put already such ridiculous candidates they could at least put lambert there.

Calm down. We don't know if this is true yet. We also don't know if they AREN'T any other candidates. There may be. In any case, didn't something happen to Lambert?

[Veloric Wu]

A mage divine is...strange. Interesting, but strange.

It is. My opinions

 

Vivienne

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Vivienne has worked much for this position, though. Perhaps it's why they call her "The Ambition". A mage that supports the Circle and has managed to earn her friends more from royal entities than from fellow magi~ she has walked more than one controversial and difficult paths. Without making this too sensitive it's like electing a black president for a country that has always had only white ones. The sheer epicness when you think about how impossible this supposedly is~~just rewarding. In my opinion she deserves this position the most among the three.

 

Cassandra

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Cassandra is already a Seeker, Right Hand of the previous Divine and loyal Templar to the Chantry, too. By heritage she has the most legimate claim to this position. But somehow I suspect she will be more comfortable on a battlefield. I am not sure if this would become an "Alistair case", where you'd have to persuade Cassandra hard~with her saying she feels more herself as a Seeker more than a dozen times.

 

Leliana

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The other two are nice and all, but HOWEVER however, Leliana is Left Hand of the previous Divine and her methods seem the most innovative compared to them. 

Vivienne wants to keep the Circle and the whole old social system she has worked so much to climb up. Cassandra might be similarly conservative when it comes to big decisions. While I have good confidence that they both will do well in preserving the Chantry traditions, I fear this will~~it less fancy terms~~become more of the same.

Leliana is different. She once was a most devout believer, but before that she was entirely the other side of the world. Linked to all the things the Chantry would oppose. She is undeniably the person that knows what the Chantry could not offer back then, and also the person we have come to understand the most in the entire series. If we want electing a new Divine to inspire a new direction for the Chantry, I'd say there is no one better than Leliana.

 

TL; DR: All three really work well imo. Will try all of them to see a difference, but Leliana is my canon for now

[TheKomandorShepard]

Calm down. We don't know if this is true yet. We also don't know if they AREN'T any other candidates. There may be. In any case, didn't something happen to Lambert?

Well i never said it was true i just spoke as if it scenario is truth.We don't know what happened to lambert good chances he is dead but not for sure and i hope he isn't.

 

As far none of that candidates is even near to be suitable for me and my first pt avoding just fact they are as i said ridiculous. 

[King Cousland]

Thats what I keep telling myself yet here I am

 

Haha, I keep trying to leave but then I see something new and intriguing and get pulled in like 

 

[berrieh]

That could honestly just be them talking about who the new Divine is. Honestly, since this game doesn't have retroactive dlc, and none of them are actually a part of the Chantry, how could they become Divine? 

 

This is what I'm thinking, since it's just plot flags that we have. They could each have a different recommendation for either the person or how to proceed. Shoe-horning a member of the Inquisition (with NO outside choices) into the role of the new Divine seems a little odd to me. Maybe it makes sense in the game - I'll reserve judgment - or maybe our speculation on these plot flags is jumping to conclusions. 

 

The way Bioware described it, it is the former. Thy even said there are quests and areas that should be tackled after the main quest is completed. 

 

Yes, I agree. I thought they'd been pretty clear that the game can continue, with the ramifications of the story, afterwards. 

 

As far as I know, you don't have to be an ordained cleric to become Divine. I'd suggest that Leliana and Cassandra are in fact members in any case. 

 

As far as we know, all Divines have been Mothers first. I don't have a rulebook, but it seems clearly implied in the World of Thedas that the Divine must be picked from the Chantry. Leliana and Cassandra are not members of the Chantry clergy; they are supporters of it, they are employed by it, but they are not clergy. Neither Templars, nor Seekers are clergy, and the Left Hand specifically is there to do what the clergy/Chantry cannot openly do. 

[(Disgusted noise.)]

Here's Cassandra talking about her faith in the first conversation you have with her. This is definitely the mentality I think the next Divine needs. I'll put a spoiler tag on it.

 

Spoiler

Inquisitor: Do you think the Chantry is worth saving?

 

 

Cassandra: I do, though I understand why someone born outside of human society might think otherwise. Cast the Chantry aside, and new problems replace old ones. We will have learned nothing from history. The people need stability and the Chantry needs a new purpose. Andraste had a dream for us. It can still be achieved. A dedication to what is truly important. Instead of building cathedrals and sewing gowns for the Divine, the Chantry used to spend its coin feeding the poor. If we are to spread the Maker's word across the world, we must do so with open hearts and open hands. I do not think it so unachievable. The Chantry has many good, honest people. They just need direction and inspiration. They need to be freed from centuries of adherence to tradition and ceremony. A chance for renewal is at our fingertips.

[Veloric Wu]

Haha, I keep trying to leave but then I see something new and intriguing and get pulled in like 

 

 

 

LOL I love your signature, too 

[Tubercle]

Bear in mind too that Justinia was Leiliana's mentor for a long long time. I would go for the bard. Underhanded Divines are always awesome!

[Pokemario]

IIRC from my EA Access Preview:

 

Leliana wanted to give the mages more freedom. She realizes that some mages are better than she is,and yet she has more freedom. She also says that the Chantry has done many other wrong things,and that she'd like to change them.

 

Cassandra wanted a poorer Chantry,one that puts faith above power.

 

I didn't get to meet Vivienne and I haven't listened to any of her dialogues,but she sounds like a conservator. I'm sure she'd prefer the Chantry to remain the way it is.

 

Anyway,if this is true,I wonder how the tarot cards for Cassandra and Vivienne would change!

[Knight of Dane]

I must admit that I don't really care about the seat of the divine for now. I hope there is a option to be neutral I'm sure some of my Inquisitors would be glad to not mess.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I wonder if the flags are actually us choosing who that character supports?

Leliana may support one person, Cassandra another, and Vivienne yet another. 

[Heimdall]

Its just... picking any of them as Divine just strikes me as bizarre.  I don't know any other way to describe it.

[Andreas Amell]

Leaked flags show the identities of the potential new Divines at the end of the game. We can (seemingly) choose between Leliana (suspected), Cassandra (interesting) or Vivienne (wut?). And here I was thinking it was going to be Mother Gisele.

 

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I was worried about this. I did not want to lead a campaign that will put my companions into a high position of authority. Sealing the Breach and hunting down the demons drew my interest. I didn't want power in Kirkwall as Hawke. I want it even less in this game. I don't believe in Andraste and the Maker. After the Orzammar quest in Origins I knew politics in Thedas was a big mess.

[Zana]

Interesting.  I am not horribly surprised by Chantry being completely demolished by the end of the conflict, so the person with most power (Inquisitor), and the title of the Herald could easily be used to determine successor.  In fact this sounds like another Navarran Accord, where the Chantry merges with Inquisition (on Inquisition's terms this time).

 

Vivienne would result in an a non-Imperial Black Divine (IMO).  Could easily get out of hand and have Orlais turn into another Tevinter

Cassandra sounds like a spiritual successor of the White Divine (or at least what it was supposed to be).  So more of the same.

Leliana would be interesting, but her as a Divine would depend on how her character changed since DAO.

 

I am honestly scared of Vivienne as the Divine.  She sounds way too ambitious.   And I don't think it will be an issue to replace the adviser with an 'agent' or roll the game pre-final decision (like previous titles).  So I do not discount the possibility of this being correct.

[cardinalally]

I think that maybe it's just dialogue about who they think should be the new Divine, not necessarily that they are a candidate for being it.  Time will tell.

 

This.  When I first read this, I figured it was just character dialog about who the new divine is.  I don't think these three are really options for the position.  But they are characters that would have a vested interest in who it is.  So it would make sense that they have special dialog for it.

[MKDAWUSS]

I can't name my Inquisitor Divine? Pfah!

And also, why can't I dissolve the Chantry and have the Dalish pantheon become the official religion of the Inquisition and possibly Thedas?