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[MikeFL25]

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...I'm wondering if I should have a save file where I side with the Templars.  I have 2 World States, a warrior and a mage in DA2, and both times I sided with the Mages.  The first time Bethany was a circle mage, so I obviously wanted to help her, and the second time as a mage I obviously wasn't going to turn on my own.

 

The way I saw the conflict was this: the mages in DA2 suck.  They are the most incompetent, weak-willed mages ever.  At every slight temptation, they go full blood mage.  It seemed like every mage in Kirkwall was walking around with a knife and a "how to be a blood mage" book just in case someone looked at them funny.  But my Mage Warden in DA:O wasn't a blood mage, neither was my DA2 mage.  Most mages in DAO that I encountered weren't bad, and there is a fair amount in DA2 that are normal, regular mages.  So maybe chalk it up to the thin Veil in Kirkwall and the oppressive Templars.

 

The Templars in Kirkwall are straight-up oppressive facists.  I understand their concerns, and yes the Templars do serve a useful and necessary function, but the Kirkwall Templars just go overboard.  They treat the mages like absolute shite, and I believe in the game there were stories of how the Templars would beat and rape mages for no reason and constantly make the mages' lives miserable just because they were born with magic.  Meredith might have started out as a decent woman with a hard past, and yes she was "corrupted" by the red lyrium, but she became an absolute monster bent on the destruction of all mages just because.

 

Anders really screwed the pooch because he gave Meredith and people that think like her every excuse to finally wage war on the mages.  He confirmed peoples' fears that the mages were unstable and capable of horrible acts against the people, and overall succeeded in vilifying the mages.  

 

Ultimately though, I'm torn on whether or not I should use the Keep to side with the Templars in one of my two saves.  Neither side is blameless, and the reason I went with the mages both times was two-fold: the mages of the Circle had nothing to do with Anders' attack and therefore were blameless in that incident, and my Hawke wanted to show that not all mages are like Anders.  Also the fact that killing a whole group of people because of the action of one is just ridiculous.  The Templars in Kirkwall definitely went overboard.  But how might that situation look from outside of Kirkwall?  A mage destroys the Chantry, killing hundreds of innocent people including the Revered Mother.  The Templars send for the Right of Annulment and it is granted.  Many of the Circle Mages begin to use blood magic and consort with demons when faced with the threat of the Templars.  They proceed to hunt and kill all of the mages and Hawke, who is a known associate of the mage who started the attack, comes to the defense of the mages.  In this light, the situation doesn't seem so cut-and-dry.

 

Sorry for the long post.  I know this has been discussed before but as DAI gets closer I have been teying to make up my mind and see what others did as well...how did you handle this scenario?  Did you also let Anders live or kill him?  (I killed him both times, he may have been right that war was inevitable, but the killing of innocents is never acceptable and he went too far.  He needed to die, there was no other acceptable outcome IMO, especially with Sebastian threatening to invade, thus causing further innocents to die, if Anders had lived).  

[AlexiaRevan]

I always side with Mages . I only sided with templar once to see a mini-spoiler related to hawke mother . But I always side with Mages . So far I made 3 world states....

 

And you can have up to 5 I think . So just make one of each , with one with Anders alive and one where he is dead 

[raging_monkey]

Im a mage player and sided with the mages it was the moral thing to do.

Did a templar run once didnt care much for it

[AlexiaRevan]

Im a mage player and sided with the mages it was the moral thing to do.

Did a templar run once didnt care much for it

Same *High five*   

[raging_monkey]

Same *High five* 

*returns high 5* as anders said for freedom lol

[Duelist]

Do whatever feels right for the character IMO.

Since my canon Hawke was a Rogue who cared more about his family than Kirkwall and it's problems, he sided with his little sister.

My mage on the other hand was a power hungry jerk who sided with the Templars as a means of gaining their favour.

Now having seen how these threads have gone in the past, if you'll excuse me...

[herkles]

Well my hawke sided with the circle, mainly because bethany was in the circle. My hawke sought to keep her sister safe, and when meredith said all in the kirkwall circle were to be killed, including bethany, my hawke said no. and sided with the mages.

 

My hawke killed anders for a few reasons.

 

1.) Ella: Anders lost control and nearly killed Ella, when she called him an abomination. As ella was bethany's apprentince who made her life brighter in the circle. So this made my hawke really pissed off. As anders not only lost control, but almost killed the one bit of happiness in the circle that bethany had.

 

2.) Justice: it was clear to my hawke that anders was losing himself more and more to justice. The explosion was the final proof that anders was gone.

 

3.) Sebastian: no not the whole threat, but the comment "would you be waffling if it was me in the chantry" keep in mind my hawke romanced Sebastian. So this statement was more impactful then the whole threatening comment. Because to her, she knew that if it was sebastian in the chantry and he died, then anders would be dead in an instant.

 

Those are the reasons why Felicia Hawke decided to execute anders.

[herkles]

Well my hawke sided with the circle, mainly because bethany was in the circle. My hawke sought to keep her sister safe, and when meredith said all in the kirkwall circle were to be killed, including bethany, my hawke said no. and sided with the mages.

 

My hawke killed anders for a few reasons.

 

1.) Ella: Anders lost control and nearly killed Ella, when she called him an abomination. As ella was bethany's apprentince who made her life brighter in the circle. So this made my hawke really pissed off. As anders not only lost control, but almost killed the one bit of happiness in the circle that bethany had.

 

2.) Justice: it was clear to my hawke that anders was losing himself more and more to justice. The explosion was the final proof that anders was gone.

 

3.) Sebastian: no not the whole threat, but the comment "would you be waffling if it was me in the chantry" keep in mind my hawke romanced Sebastian. So this statement was more impactful then the whole threatening comment. Because to her, she knew that if it was sebastian in the chantry and he died, then anders would be dead in an instant.

 

Those are the reasons why Felicia Hawke decided to execute anders.

[Senya]

I have playthroughs with both, but I always killed Anders as he was just as bad and unstable as Meredith.

[trying_touch]

I do believe the writers made it easier to side with the mages by making their major oppressor the main antagonist of DAII.

 

That said, I have four "world states", and two of them sided with the Templars. I have my own head canon, so really, the other "world states" are there due to curiosity more than anything. 

[KaiserShep]

Well my hawke sided with the circle, mainly because bethany was in the circle. My hawke sought to keep her sister safe, and when meredith said all in the kirkwall circle were to be killed, including bethany, my hawke said no. and sided with the mages.

 

My hawke killed anders for a few reasons.

 

1.) Ella: Anders lost control and nearly killed Ella, when she called him an abomination. As ella was bethany's apprentince who made her life brighter in the circle. So this made my hawke really pissed off. As anders not only lost control, but almost killed the one bit of happiness in the circle that bethany had.

 

2.) Justice: it was clear to my hawke that anders was losing himself more and more to justice. The explosion was the final proof that anders was gone.

 

3.) Sebastian: no not the whole threat, but the comment "would you be waffling if it was me in the chantry" keep in mind my hawke romanced Sebastian. So this statement was more impactful then the whole threatening comment. Because to her, she knew that if it was sebastian in the chantry and he died, then anders would be dead in an instant.

 

Those are the reasons why Felicia Hawke decided to execute anders.

 

With the exception of the Sebastian romance, this is similar to my reasoning as well.

 

To add to this, though, in Hawke's shoes, I would have considered Elthina somewhat of a friend. Perhaps she wasn't much use as an ally, given her neutrality, but Hawke did know her for years. Regardless of Anders' cause, he killed one of Hawke's friends and destroyed a big chunk of her city, forcing her to now battle through the streets. Also, Hawke could very well stumble over Bethany's corpse on the way to the Gallows at that point. Good enough reason to execute him for me.

[Dark Helmet]

Supported the Templars and killed Anders as a mage, supported the Templars and killed Anders as a non-mage.

 

Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy and Bethany was never as interesting as Carver.

[SuchBeautifulNoiz]

I always play a male mage, always side with the mages, and always spare and romance anders.

I just can't bring myself to side with the Templars, they are just far too oppressive and I really disagree with their views.

[Zinou]

Templars

I lost Bethany in the deep roads and after what that mage did to Mother and when you hear about how they treated Fenris in Tevinter, they had to be stopped because they are simply worse than the templars.

I was with the Mages until I saw him turn Leandra into a walking dead corpse, they were worse than the templars during the whole game, play the game again and youll see, the game is biased ofcourse and most players will help the mages because Hawke has family members that are or were mages but in reality they are the problem in every Dragon Age game (The Blights cause = mages, Warden's keep events cause = mages etc.) and since Bethany was dead, no more flooky flucks were given and I pretty much killed every single one of them, Anders included.

[Brelakor]

It depends how you play you characters I think, OP. For me, I have no problem playing a character who doesn't necessarily reflect how I feel or how I personally would act because I don't really think of a character as part of me, they have their own experiences, opinions, emotions, etc. Other people I think always see a bit of themselves in their characters so their beliefs are reflected in the character's actions. If you feel the same way as me then it's not too difficult to side with the Templar, you kinda just need to create a situation or a Hawke where it would make sense for him/her to side with the Templar. As in, they're not just turning around randomly at the last minute and going 'Oh btw all this time I've been nice to mages but uhhhh gonna side with the Templar now instead!'

In my DA2 playthroughs I have sided with the mages and Templar 50/50. For the 3 Hawke's that sided with the Templar, 2 of them did it because they were trying to look out for the common folk of Kirkwall, and they thought it would be best for Kirkwall's citizens not to have rampant crazy mages running through the streets and the Templar's (as the major source of order at that point) destroyed/weakened. They didn't feel happy about doing it, but for them it was the right decision. My third Hawke sided with the Templar because she was a cold-hearted, selfish ****** who was just looking out for herself, and she romanced Sebastian so I headcanon that he sort of manipulated her into doing it somewhat as well.

Anyway, OP, if you want to have a DAI import where you side with the Templar, I just recommend playing or creating a world state where it would make sense for your Hawke's personality/opinions/etc to side with the Templar

[MikeFL25]

So, in your opinion, how do you think DAI will handle the Mages vs Templars choice?  Do you think they will make it seem that whoever you side with at the end was the end-all-be-all and that Hawke was staunchly in their favor?

 

On both of my DA2 playthroughs, I was extremely neutral until Act 3 when I was forced to make the choice after Anders' attack.  At every opportunity, I helped mages where I could.  BUT, especially on my mage character, I put down HARD any mage that resorted to blood magic or did something to endanger people.  I threw both Meredith and Orsino plenty of bi-partisan support, as there were quests (can't remember any by name) where I gave Meredith info as well.  In my Mage Hawke playthrough, I feel as though I gave Meredith and the Templars even more help than my Warrior Hawke, as Meredith clearly loaths the fact that Hawke is an apostate, I felt that if I helped Meredith and showed her that not all mages are blood-magic time bombs she might be more prone to treating Mages better.  

 

As Mage Hawke I even handed the conspirators over to Meredith rather than Orsino in a gesture of transparency, as well as telling her that Orsino was not involved.  Do you think the choice of who to give the conspirators to will be a big one?  And do you think DAI will recognize neutral decisions?  My only concern is that if you pick Mages or Templars in the Tapestry, it will assume Hawke was 100% for that faction and run with it.

[HellaciousHutch]

I sided with the mages on my canonical playthrough. Why? Because I dislike Meredith. She was a crazy and paranoid old woman (though, to be fair, she wasn't 100% incorrect in the doing of mages). Calling for the Rite of Annulment on an entire group, just because of the act of a single individual outside of said group, who happens to have the same gift, is rushed and silly.

 

Seeing what A LOT of the templars have become in Inquisition (Red Lyrium-fueled abominations) helps me to solidify my choice.