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[Azztec]

Hiya folks,

 

Before anything else, I want to apologise if this is already known; I didn't have time to trawl through too much of the forum, but I couldn't find any topics on it in the first several  pages, and a search for anything "eluvian" or "Witch Hunt" related didn't bring anything too helpful up so I figured to pop this here just on the off-chance it's somehow been missed.

 

While setting choices in Dragon Age: Origins/Witch Hunt DLC, I chose the middle option: "Went through the eluvian" only to have it bring up a conflict with a fairly large number of other choices(26 in all). Before even going into detail, this already seems an odd time for the auto-solver to detect a conflict since the only issue this player choice and point-in-time could possibly encounter is if your Warden happened to die at the end of the Origins base game (I can't think if I tried to play the DLC on a save file with a Warden who sacrificed themself so I have no idea how the game justifies your character's existence in that situation anyhow). Secondly, there are a lot of choices the auto-solver doesn't like which have no possible or logical  bearing with this topic anyhow, including two DAII choices made by Hawke (though admittedly they both involve Zevran so I guess that's murky territory anyhow) as well as two choices exclusive to a Dwarf Origin story when my Warden is a Human Noble (and hence would uproot a lot if I chose to compromise and change).

 

Reading through the forums I have already seen a number of posts about how some choices need to be made in a peculiar order to pass the auto-solver's inspection intact, and I even came across a brief issue myself like that involving the Dark Ritual and surviving as the Warden (lot of conflicts seem to revolve around the Morrigan/Dark Ritual choices being made prior to other decisions being accepted) but this particular problem doesn't seem quite so easy to fix and I am sure it's something that needs to be fine-tuned on Bioware's side.

 

It's been an interesting and dare I say nostalgic experience reading over all the choices and trying to remember all the specifics in my main "canon" playthrough that I wish to carry over  to DA:I but there have certainly been details I have been willing enough to let go because they were generally small and unimportant events (lot of these include many less important side quests in DAII which I can't possibly remember after multiple playthroughs etc) but this particular choice, is certainly a big deal and with Morrigan playing a role in DA:I I definitely  want the game to acknowledge this matter, since she is quite possibly the only person in all of Thedas who might know the ultimate fate of the Hero of Ferelden if he/she did indeed step through the eluvian at the end of Witch Hunt.

 

Just for the sake of detail, I'm going to list all 26 choices conflicting with the eluvian decision. These are obviously just my decisions made in-game and I have no idea if any decisions I  HAVEN'T picked would also be flagged here or not but obviously the Keep has a lot inconsistency with this particular game choice. Thanks for reading!

 

01 - What happened to Zevran? -- Zevran Alive and Well

 

02 - Did the Warden recruit Zevran? -- Recruited Zevran

 

03 - Did the Warden poison the Urn of Sacred Ashes? -- Urn not poisoned

 

04 - Did the Warden agree to Cullen's request to kill the mages in the Tower? -- Did not agree to Cullen's request

 

05 - What happend to Loghain? -- Loghain executed by Warden

 

06 - Did Hawke try to find the assassin for Nuncio? -- Hawke offered to help Nuncio 

 

07 - What happened to Leliana? -- Leliana alive and well

 

08 - Did First Enchanter Irving survive the battle against Uldred? -- First Enchanter Irving Survived battle

 

09 - Did the Warden recruit Wynne? -- Recruited Wynne

 

10 - Did the Warden have relations with Mardy before being cast out of Orzammar -- Didn't encounter Mardy

 

11 - What did the Warden do with the mabari hound in Ostagar? -- Cured mabari hound

 

12 - Did Hawke let Zevran go? -- Let Zevran go

 

13 - Whom did the Warden romance? -- Romanced Leliana

 

14 - Who did the Warden support at the Broken Circle? -- Mages supported

 

15 - What was Wynne's fate? -- Wynne alive and well

 

16 - Did the Warden restore Mardy's son's birthright? -- Didn't have son with Mardy

 

17 - Did the Warden recruit Dog? -- Recruited Dog

 

18 - What happened to Connor? -- Connor alive, not possessed

 

19 - Did Morrigan have a baby? -- Morrigan had an Old God baby with the Warden

 

20 - How did the Warden deal with Dagna's request to become a scholar at the Circle Tower? -- Dagna left to study

 

21 - What happened to Isolde? -- Isolde sacrificed herself

 

22 - Who killed the Archdemon? -- Warden killed Archdemon

 

23 - What happened to Alistair? -- Alistair became King

 

24 - What happend to the Warden at the end of Dragon Age Origins? -- Warden alive and well

 

25 - Who now rules Ferelden? -- Alistair rules

 

26 - Did the Warden remain as King Alistair's mistress? -- Warden & Alistair were not lovers

[Ranadiel Marius]

 

 

 

13 - Whom did the Warden romance? -- Romanced Leliana

 

Found the problem, not 100% sure why the others are triggering though. Anyways, you can only go through the Eluvian if you romanced Morrigan. I'll try and replicate the bug and see if I can figure out why the others are triggering as well.

 

Edit: Tried to replicate it and the only conflict that popped was the romance one.

[Azztec]

Just gave it a try switching over to Morrigan as my romance option and it accepted the eluvian decision without any problems so I see you're quite right there. That in itself must be a bug though, surely as I recall doing it in-game despite retaining Leliana as the Warden's lover. I did get Morrigan up to the point of romance for the achievement in that save, as well as accepted the dark ritual, but at the ultimatum point where companions force you to choose who you are going to commit yourself to, I chose to remain with Leliana.

 

Either way, I hope they allow for both choices since Leliana ad Morrigan will both be playing a prominent part in the upcoming game, haha. Thanks a lot for looking into that and finding the problem, Ranadiel /bow

[Ranadiel Marius]

If there was a bug it was in Witch Hunt (or perhaps DAO) as you are only supposed to be able to go through the mirror if you romanced Morrigan, so the Keep is reflecting the intent properly. Another way to look at it is that if you go through the mirror you are choosing to commit to Morrigan even if you might have had other relationships beforehand.

[Azztec]

That's a fair point. Thanks again

[DHellblazer]

Same here. In DA:O I romanced first Zevran to get the accomplishment, then Morrigan for the accomplishment and finally Leliana as my "real" romance (all in one playthrough), which was also reflected in the epilogue and later in DA2 during Leliana's brief appearance. But I also went through the Eluvian at the end of Witch Hunt. And this is the ending I want to see reflected in DA:I, cause that's my official Warden ending. Leliana as my one true love and Warden and Morrigan entering Eluvian. 

[DinX64]

It wont be reflected because that is not a valid world state that the devs intended. Sorry that you want a certain ending reflected in DA:I, but it is not possible. So you either have Morrigan as your romance, do dark ritual,and go through the eluvian, or you romance Leliana,do Dark Ritual, and not go through the eluvian.

[DHellblazer]

Yeah, I know. It just really pisses me off. Until I started playing with the Keep today, I haven't even realized that my DA:O save file, that I kept on my harddrive for years, is not considered by Bioware a "valid" world state. Why did they allowed romancing pretty much everyone in one play-through in DA:O in the first place then? 

[DinX64]

I don't think they expected DA2 and DA:I to be made. Besides that, having the keep track of how many lovers you had, and which one was final could get very messy in the keep. Best to keep track of one romance per hero.

[Natureguy85]

Yeah, I know. It just really pisses me off. Until I started playing with the Keep today, I haven't even realized that my DA:O save file, that I kept on my harddrive for years, is not considered by Bioware a "valid" world state. Why did they allowed romancing pretty much everyone in one play-through in DA:O in the first place then? 

 

The question is really asking who the Warden ended up with, not who they slept with. Morrigan is the exception as she asks for the break up and leaves the Warden and continuing/ending things with Alistair is in the Keep.

[Mr.K]

I got this problem too. It caused so much changes in my Dragon Age Keep and messed everything up. Had to constantly redo it for hours on end thinking I finally got around it.

It was only after 40 hours or so into the game did I realize that Dragon Age Keep messed up and put me as "Did not go through the Eluvian." instead of my initial choice of "went through the eluvian."

Just completely destroyed the game for me and since I got the hard copy of the game, I can't ask for a refund.

 

 

Doesn't seem worth spending another 40 hours or more just to get back to the current phase on the correct Dragon Age Keep state nor does it seem worth playing this game anymore as the Warden's fate with Morrigan was the only reason for spending that $70.  

[Natureguy85]

I got this problem too. It caused so much changes in my Dragon Age Keep and messed everything up. Had to constantly redo it for hours on end thinking I finally got around it.

It was only after 40 hours or so into the game did I realize that Dragon Age Keep messed up and put me as "Did not go through the Eluvian." instead of my initial choice of "went through the eluvian."

Just completely destroyed the game for me and since I got the hard copy of the game, I can't ask for a refund.

 

 

Doesn't seem worth spending another 40 hours or more just to get back to the current phase on the correct Dragon Age Keep state nor does it seem worth playing this game anymore as the Warden's fate with Morrigan was the only reason for spending that $70.  

 

Did you really get into a game like this for only one playthrough?

[DinX64]

I got this problem too. It caused so much changes in my Dragon Age Keep and messed everything up. Had to constantly redo it for hours on end thinking I finally got around it.

It was only after 40 hours or so into the game did I realize that Dragon Age Keep messed up and put me as "Did not go through the Eluvian." instead of my initial choice of "went through the eluvian."

Just completely destroyed the game for me and since I got the hard copy of the game, I can't ask for a refund.

 

 

Doesn't seem worth spending another 40 hours or more just to get back to the current phase on the correct Dragon Age Keep state nor does it seem worth playing this game anymore as the Warden's fate with Morrigan was the only reason for spending that $70.  

 

 

Did you really get into a game like this for only one playthrough?

Not only that, but just to find out Warden's fate with Morrigan (Devs have said that the Warden won't have a physical appearance)  which is a very part small of DA:I(main game), that you could have just wiki what happen if that's all you care about.

 

Should have done some research before buying the deluxe edition.

 

Having said that, I do care about Warden's fate with Morrigan, but there's more to DA:I than just finding out what happen to the Warden.

[Natureguy85]

Not only that, but just to find out Warden's fate with Morrigan (Devs have said that the Warden won't have a physical appearance)  which is a very part small of DA:I(main game), that you could have just wiki what happen if that's all you care about.

 

Should have done some research before buying the deluxe edition.

 

Having said that, I do care about Warden's fate with Morrigan, but there's more to DA:I than just finding out what happen to the Warden.

 

While I do want some info on my Warden's fate, I am far more interested in Morrigan's plans for the OGB and whatever Flemeth is up to to that Morrigan warned us about in Witch Hunt. I wish that had been the focus rather than the mage v templar war. Hopefully there is some in Inquisition.

[Mr.K]

 

Did you really get into a game like this for only one playthrough?

 

Kind of. While I would definitely want to pursue more than 1 playthrough, job liabilities curtail the amount of time I can spend on video games.

It could take me months before I clock in a full playthrough considering I used up my leave just to clock in 40hours so that is another year just to start a second. Which kind of reminds me that I only did finish more than 1 DAO playthrough when the insta-kill mod was available.

The game's story and impact of player choice is really the only motivational factor for all the time investment.

 

Not only that, but just to find out Warden's fate with Morrigan (Devs have said that the Warden won't have a physical appearance)  which is a very part small of DA:I(main game), that you could have just wiki what happen if that's all you care about.

 

Should have done some research before buying the deluxe edition.

 

Having said that, I do care about Warden's fate with Morrigan, but there's more to DA:I than just finding out what happen to the Warden.

 

While I do want some info on my Warden's fate, I am far more interested in Morrigan's plans for the OGB and whatever Flemeth is up to to that Morrigan warned us about in Witch Hunt. I wish that had been the focus rather than the mage v templar war. Hopefully there is some in Inquisition.

 

Well, impatience has got the better of me, couldn't really wait for the Youtube cut scenes. 

I guess for me DA:I was supposed to just provide some sort of closure for DAO even if small. Just to end the 5 year long questions about the OGB, Flemeth and the Warden.

And indeed, the Mage v Templar war is rather tedious, DAO mystery is definitely more enchanting.  

[Natureguy85]

 

 

 

Kind of. While I would definitely want to pursue more than 1 playthrough, job liabilities curtail the amount of time I can spend on video games.

It could take me months before I clock in a full playthrough considering I used up my leave just to clock in 40hours so that is another year just to start a second. Which kind of reminds me that I only did finish more than 1 DAO playthrough when the insta-kill mod was available.

The game's story and impact of player choice is really the only motivational factor for all the time investment.

And indeed, the Mage v Templar war is rather tedious, DAO mystery is definitely more enchanting.  

 

 

Yeah, I hear you about limited time. It is different now than when I was still in school lol.

 

Templars and Mages could have worked if they kept it like they started where both sides had problems but you could see where both were coming from. But then they threw both leaders off the crazy cliff and ruined it.

[Mr.K]

Yeah, I hear you about limited time. It is different now than when I was still in school lol.

 

Templars and Mages could have worked if they kept it like they started where both sides had problems but you could see where both were coming from. But then they threw both leaders off the crazy cliff and ruined it.

That's right.   Work is such a drag and bills don't accept DA:I gold or Inquisition perks. 

 

I never really got into the Templars vs Mages war because it always seems to be a one or the other choice. I would rather much believe that there are many who would be in favor of a diplomatic solution or get rid of both sides all together. 

 

[Natureguy85]

That's right.   Work is such a drag and bills don't accept DA:I gold or Inquisition perks. 

 

I never really got into the Templars vs Mages war because it always seems to be a one or the other choice. I would rather much believe that there are many who would be in favor of a diplomatic solution or get rid of both sides all together. 

 

 

Or stay out of it, like in the Witcher

[TheChosenOne]

quote name="Natureguy85" post="17877970" timestamp="1417011293"]Or stay out of it, like in the Witcher[/quote]
Oh how I wish we could just be like "Nope, **** this, **** you, **** this noise "

[Natureguy85]

quote name="Natureguy85" post="17877970" timestamp="1417011293"]Or stay out of it, like in the Witcher[/quote]
Oh how I wish we could just be like "Nope, **** this, **** you, **** this noise "

 

Like how when Hawke asks the group for thoughts on Anders' fate, Varric will say he thinks he's had enough of templars and mages.