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not quite that.
We know the dalish have their gods and goddess and they worship them and can be as devoted to them as some humans are to the maker and Andraste. However, I am not sure how the dalish go about worshiping their gods and goddesses. Sure they don't have much lore of the past, but in the current day how would they worship the creators?
what I am curious about is how do the dalish worship their deities? with songs, hymns and prayers? with offerings and sacrifices? both?
Merrill mentions the sacrifices:
Anders: Do the Dalish ever have fancy parties? I always imagined they celebrated most big occasions by eating mushrooms and acorns. And maybe dancing naked around a campfire.
Merrill: You know, I was wondering when the naked dancing was going to start. And the human sacrifice. I mean, you just can't throw a decent party without kidnapping a human child and offering her entrails to the sky gods.
Anders: Really?
Merrill: No. {Qunari style}
My best warden was a city elf archer. My second best and last one, was a dalish elf archer.
I love the way Bioware made the elves in DA, and im really interested in their lore.
My first inquisitor will be an elf, but i dont know if i should make him a mage or an archer. I would probably go with mage as it could make for an interesting playthrough and to avoid playing an elf archer again.
I'm wondering why there isn't more talk of Shartan and Garahel, basically, they've been reduced to "oh, and those guys".
Garahel wasn't Dalish; Shartan is only referenced in Gisharel's writings, unfortunately. It's more an issue that the elven perspective tends to be marginalized and overlooked. We really don't get much insight into the Dalish perspective. It takes companion banter to even learn that Merrill using the term 'spirits' is due to the Dalish viewing all spirits as dangerous (as WoT affirms) and Merrill even has to defend that the Dalish don't adhere to the Andrastian view of 'Spirits' and 'Demons', something that can easily be overlooked if you never encounter the companion banter. This general lack of knowledge about elven lore is something I'm hoping is rectified in Inqusition, given the presence of a Dalish protagonist as an option for players. I'm interested in learning more about the lore and history of the People.
And what makes them believe the Creators were tricked, when at times they claim they've abandoned them and that by being more elfy is the key to their return. Some things just don't make much sense.
It's hard to say at this point because Dragon Age tends to be a bit human-centric in it's story-telling, so while we have a plethora of information about the human societies and the religion of the Chantry, we don't have the same level of information about the Dalish. Something I hope Inquisition will change with an elven Inquisitor, and venturing into the Dales.
So fixing the Mirror was a bad idea? Shocker.
According to the man it wasn't.
There's literally no reason to think it would go well.
So fixing the Mirror was a bad idea? Shocker.
Merrill didn't fix a mirror, she built one from lore she gathered about the Eluvians, and information she extrapolated from the shard she took from Ferelden (and later cleansed of the taint). Given how Marethari made a big mess of things afterwards, I suppose you could say it was a bad call, but I wouldn't put the blame on Merrill for the actions of another person entirely.
There's literally no reason to think it would go well.
Sure there is. It's revolutionary and advanced technology that could irrevocably change the lives of the Elvhen for the better. There's also the story in "The Masked Empire".
She's obviously using a piece of the old mirror. I would call that fixing. As to everything else you said, and the fact that the demon would have used the mirror to escape and rampage through the countryside, as well as the fact that a dev is talking about DA:I, not DA2, means it was a "bad" choice and it will not go well. Which isn't surprising if you actually paid attention to what was happening. Even the Dalish didn't want anything to do with it.
She's obviously using a piece of the old mirror. I would call that fixing. As to everything else you said, and the fact that the demon would have used the mirror to escape and rampage through the countryside, as well as the fact that a dev is talking about DA:I, not DA2, means it was a "bad" choice and it will not go well. Which isn't surprising if you actually paid attention to what was happening. Even the Dalish didn't want anything to do with it.
Merrill incorporated the shard into the construction of her Eluvian, and Gaider suggested it could be the reason the Eluvian remained inert.
As for what you said, Marethari opposed Merrill, and her clan followed suit because they trusted the Keeper. Also, Audacity was likely the one who claimed it would have escaped through the Eluvan, and this prompted Marethari to set it free; this is heavily suggested by the fact that Marethari changes her reasons entirely between Acts II and III for why she opposes Merrill's efforts.
I'm not sure why you trust Audacity's word on this when it seems to be an issue of manipulating Marethari into setting it free, and given what transpired, it worked.
Makes you wonder how she managed to build one from scratch. It's a big mirror, it requires an entire process. And she doesn't strike me as an artisan.
And how heavy is it and how she managed to drag it all the way to Kirkwall?
Merrill incorporated the shard into the construction of her Eluvian, and Gaider suggested it could be the reason the Eluvian remained inert.
Or it could be because the demon wanted to use it at the right time.
As for what you said, Marethari opposed Merrill, and her clan followed suit because they trusted the Keeper. Also, Audacity was likely the one who claimed it would have escaped through the Eluvan, and this prompted Marethari to set it free; this is heavily suggested by the fact that Marethari changes her reasons entirely between Acts II and III for why she opposes Merrill's efforts.
"My speculation > Laidlaw," takes a lot less time to write. Also, from what I've heard of DA:I, the mirror does exactly what it was suspsected of doing. Killing a bunch of people.
I'm not sure why you trust Audacity's word on this when it seems to be an issue of manipulating Marethari into setting it free, and given what transpired, it worked.
Of course Merrill is immune to such things. No way the demon just found a much easier way out. It was being honest with Merrill, but not Marethari.
Makes you wonder how she managed to build one from scratch. It's a big mirror, it requires an entire process. And she doesn't strike me as an artisan.
And how heavy is it and how she managed to drag it all the way to Kirkwall?
Merrill only had a shard; she didn't take all the pieces of the Eluvian, which is why the shards remained in "Witch Hunt" when the Warden-Commander, Ariane, and Finn were looking to take a shard to locate Morrigan. Her Eluvian only incorporated the single shard she took from Ferelden, which might be why the Eluvian remained inert, despite her best efforts.
That shard didn't grow into a big mirror, and the big mirror is what I'm talking about.
It's not like she found a random one and glued the shard to it.
what I am curious about is how do the dalish worship their deities? with songs, hymns and prayers? with offerings and sacrifices? both?
It's a very good question. We know about the Vallaslin, which Lob has mentioned, and it can be counted as a form of worship. We know of their funerary rites (burial with a oaken staff and a tree planted on the tomb), and then there's that custom about putting a statue of Fen'Harel facing away from any Dalish camp and the sylvanwood ring depicting Fen'Harel's betrayal that Keepers wear to remind them of their duty to keep the clan safe.
The rest we've seen are tales, like the old myths. Some imply that Creator-worship includes prayer ("The young noble prayed to the gods that he might meet the elven lady again. He prayed to Mythal for love, and Dirthamen for the secret of the elven lady's name, and to Andruil for luck in the hunt for this woman. And finally, he made an offering to Fen'Harel...and the Dread Wolf was the only one who answered"). About songs, the codex entry about Sylaise says that they sing to her when they kindle the fires and put them down.
"My speculation > Laidlaw," takes a lot less time to write.
Laidlaw said it was a 'bad call'; that was it. Considering that Marethari ended up setting Audacity loose, became an abomination, and then attempted to kill Merrill, I could see how one could view it as a 'bad call'. However, I'm not willing to condemn Merrill for Marethari's actions.
Also, from what I've heard of DA:I, the mirror does exactly what it was suspsected of doing. Killing a bunch of people.
Marethari claimed the Eluvian would bring back the taint in Act II. Then she claimed it would be used to set Audacity free in Act III, and set the spirit free from it's prison without warning her clan or Merrill about the ramifications of her actions, potentially endangering many people with her recklessness. The Keeper wasn't exactly consistent in her reasons for opposing Merrill's efforts.
Of course Merrill is immune to such things. No way the demon just found a much easier way out. It was being honest with Merrill, but not Marethari.
Merrill learned blood magic from Audacity because she lacked the necessary lyrium to cleanse the shard with ordinary magic, and she didn't set Audacity free. Merrill never claimed Audacity was altruistic in helping her; she makes it clear the spirit is dangerous, which is why she asks for the Champion to accompany her to Sundermount when she suspects Audacity is no longer in the totem in Act III.
The simple difference between Merrill and Marethari is that the former refused to set the spirit free, while the latter did free it in the most asinine manner imaginable. Unless there's anything new about this topic for us to discuss, I'm afraid that's all I have left to say on the manner.
Audacity fooled them both. If it couldn't get out through the mirror then by breaking the seal to its prison.
That's not possible, LaS. Merrill's too smart to be fooled.
Merril seams to sort of have a sort of Asbergers in DA2 good at what she is intrested in but lacking in almost evetything else.
as for the transoprt i assume Varic helped there.
Merril seams to sort of have a sort of Asbergers in DA2 good at what she is intrested in but lacking in almost evetything else.
as for the transoprt i assume Varic helped there.
I sure hope so.
I for one, wouldn't break my back for that mirror as it looks pretty heavy.
Merril seams to sort of have a sort of Asbergers in DA2 good at what she is intrested in but lacking in almost evetything else.
as for the transoprt i assume Varic helped there.
The Eluvian was likely constructed in Act II, since we see Merrill looking at the shard she recently cleansed in Act I, right before she properly meets Hawke. As for the character, Merrill seemed to be more of an introvert and is dealing with culture shock in a society that's entirely foreign to her, but she does invoke quite a bit of dry humor:
Ilen: Ah, Merrill … you've returned. How has your time been amongst the shemlen?
Merrill: It's been nothing but roses and rainbows, Master Ilen. The Alienage is lovely in the spring. The collapsing shacks and drunken brutes are nicely offset by the knee-deep mud.
Dude i have it and i can be funny. its why i fell in love whith her.
culture shock only explains so mutch. unless she is even more like me and uses the quiet cuteness as a front.
That's not dry humor. That's someone pissed and taking it out on others because they didn't agree with her, if you paid close attention to the tone of her voice.
Dude i have it and i can be funny. its why i fell in love whith her.
culture shock only explains so mutch. unless she is even more like me and uses the quiet cuteness as a front.
You could send a tweet to Kirby to see if that's the case. From what Kirby has posted in the Merrill thread, she's an intelligent but introverted person. She always came across to me as someone dealing with culture shock because human society is so unfamiliar to her, and sometimes that's played for laughs by the developers.
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