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[Ryzaki]

No, no, I realize that. That's why I mentioned Merrill's case earlier.

 

 

That would be the best course of action, yes (not that Templars wouldn't be interested; didn't Lothering templars try to go after Morrigan and Flemeth, and never came back?). However, what if it's a clan like the one in TME? Completely isolationist, they don't deal with humans at all, they don't set foot on civilized areas and are said not to have close relations with other Dalish clans either. Clans with those characteristics look like the prime suspects of Grimm tales infanticide (Hansel and Gretel, anyone?).

 

Oh. My bad then.

 

Pretty sure the issue with Morrigan and the templars is when they stayed in the same place for too long (that and it was more than just Lothering). That and adding to the whole Wilder men Flemeth took to her bed using them til they were spent they were probably missing people and the like in that area. Morrigan herself said when they attacked they knew it was time to move on. The Chasind man is the one who assumed she was a witch and she flipped the switch on him.

 

That said I'm thinking its not uncommon because why would Vivienne know this if it was?

[Master Warder Z_]

Pretty sure there's a reasonable and logical explanation for why they do that.

Lack of resources and possible risk.

[wcholcombe]

I'm pretty sure they do bring their surplus mages to other clans the dalish elf can bring this up as a counterpoint. It's only when those clans already have enough mages that the killing bit comes into play.

I'm fairly certain most templars (the Kirkwall templars were known for being particularly zealous so they might but obviously I'm considering the dalish use some sense and bring them to non particularly hard line against all apostate cities) aren't going to be bothered chasing down a clan of dalish mages that are non hostile if all they do is bring one kid to the circle right before they move on anyway.

But if the worry about the templar is that strong? Dump the kid in the city and tell them to go to the chantry. The priests will send the kid to the circle.

Obviously this should all be done right before they leave the area to minimize the chances of the kid wandering back.

The character you meet in game says the opposite, plus the clans don't know where each other are unless it's the big meeting. They intentionally don't know where other clans are in orderror to protect each clan. It's probably a concern about threat of abominations.

[Ryzaki]

The character you meet in game says the opposite, plus the clans don't know where each other are unless it's the big meeting. They intentionally don't know where other clans are in orderror to protect each clan. It's probably a concern about threat of abominations.

 

So why can the dalish mage say exactly that then? =/

[Mistic]

That said I'm thinking its not uncommon because why would Vivienne know this if it was?

 

That has an easy answer: because of the Dalish isolationism, it's easier for her to know about individuals who left the Dalish. In this case, individuals abandoned by their clans. That's not a very representative example, isn't it? It's a classic example of the Biased Sample Fallacy:

 

Pastor Pete: People are turning to God everywhere!  9 out of 10 people I interviewed said that they had a personal relationship with Jesus Christ.

Fred: Where did you find these people you interviewed?

Pastor Pete: In my church.

 

Of course, it doesn't mean that the people pastor Pete interviewed didn't have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ or that the mages Vivienne know of weren't abandoned by their clans. But making a hasty generalization from a biased sample is a common logical fallacy.

 

For now. As always, new data in the future might require new hypothesis.

[Sully13]

Possible explination is big crowd of magis unprotected probbably acts like a beacon to the demons i suppose. 

[wcholcombe]

So why can the dalish mage say exactly that then? =/

What does the dalish mage say? I would assume it would be different clans handle it differently. It may be that they prefer to send them to other clans bur if that isn't an option this is what they do. I just know the monster researcher in DAI says she had to leave her clan when she was 7 because there were too many mages in the clan.

[Ryzaki]

What does the dalish mage say? I would assume it would be different clans handle it differently. It may be that they prefer to send them to other clans bur if that isn't an option this is what they do. I just know the monster researcher in DAI says she had to leave her clan when she was 7 because there were too many mages in the clan.

 

You have the option to say the mages are given to other clans I'm pretty sure (granted my memory is shot right now because I'm aggravated but yeah).

 

But yeah I'd imagine it kind of varies from clan to clan. The dalish PCs clan is rather liberal in comparison to most dalish elves apparently.

[Nyaore]

You have the option to say the mages are given to other clans I'm pretty sure (granted my memory is shot right now because I'm aggravated but yeah).

 

But yeah I'd imagine it kind of varies from clan to clan. The dalish PCs clan is rather liberal in comparison to most dalish elves apparently.

That's pretty much what I remember. Other dialogue options throughout the game if you play a Dalish PC seem to outright say that each clan is different, and there's no universally accepted way to handle the situation. I forget who says it, but I do remember a comparison being made that some Dalish clans are little better than bandits while others are fairly open - as much as they can be given the hatred that follows them.

[Goldarmy]

Pretty sure there's a reasonable and logical explanation for why they do that.

Too many mages in a clan makes the clan a too juicy target for Templars to ignore.

 

Also too many mages would be too much to handle for the clan in case of Uldred like situation.

[Roamingmachine]

Mages are respected by the dalish, but they are dangerous. Picture it like this: Each mage is a hand grenade with a home-made unique detonator and no safeties. You can never be quite sure what will set them off but you need the boom so you keep them around and limit the oopsie factor by limiting their number. The Dalish are all about survival and no matter how much they respect their mages they enjoy not dying due to some magical oopsie a lot more.

[LobselVith8]

So apparently the dalish kill extra mage children if there's too many mages in the clan and no one else needs them?

 

Da ****?

 

So, having actually played through that scene, I'm confounded as to why you decided to outright lie and pretend that all the Dalish kill all the extra mages, despite the fact that this is explicitly contradicted by the information provided in Inquisition.

[Ryzaki]

So, having actually played through that scene, I'm confounded as to why you decided to outright lie and pretend that all the Dalish kill all the extra mages, despite the fact that this is explicitly contradicted by the information provided in Inquisition.

 

*post below*

[Ryzaki]

(The first option)

 

This leads to the sentimentality line.

Here's the second option:

 

 

 

And here's the third option

 

 

Because clearly I have nothing better to do than lie about this.

 

"For those who value survival, sentimentality is not an option." indeed.

[Sully13]

as i said big neon becon for demons.

[Steelcan]

Silly elves, killing spare mages, killing converts to andrastianism, its only a matter of time before we discover child sacrifice and wearing the skins of the dead

[Vit246]

Mages are respected by the dalish, but they are dangerous. Picture it like this: Each mage is a hand grenade with a home-made unique detonator and no safeties. You can never be quite sure what will set them off but you need the boom so you keep them around and limit the oopsie factor by limiting their number. 

 

Oh frakking stop with the bomb analogies please. I've heard it all nonstop since the first game. They don't just sneeze and then explode. They don't go to sleep one night and then get possessed after that. When things goes really bad with a mage, it is almost never spontaneous.

[Ryzaki]

Like really. I even said later some clans probably vary. Some might be more willing to have more than 3 mages a few might try to leave them near somewhere they know is safe, but chances are a lot of them kill them.

 

Freaking trying to call me a liar like I have nothing better to do than lie about a fictional damn race is stupid.

[renfrees]

Dalish supporters, thoughts (skip to 3:55, if you don't want romantic stuff)?

 

Spoiler

[RobRam10]

Dalish supporters, thoughts (skip to 3:55, if you don't want romantic stuff)?

 

Spoiler

Slave marks! hahaha

[Br3admax]

Oh how far the Dalish have fallen. GG once again, Bioware. Definitely game of the year in my book now. 

[TheJediSaint]

You know, I'm all for knocking elves off their pedestals, but gloating about it is just cruel.

[Br3admax]

All Dalish are elves. All elves are not Dalish. Here, gloating is completely justified. Especially given their holier-than-thou attitudes. 

[TheJediSaint]

All Dalish are elves. All elves are not Dalish. Here, gloating is completely justified. Especially given their holier-than-thou attitudes. 

My point remains.   Bioware just neatly knocked the Dalish off there pedestal into the muck with the rest of Thedas.  We should welcome them into the unwashed masses, not point at laugh (excessively).

[Br3admax]

Never, ever, EVER, compare the rest of Thedas besides Tevinter to the Dalish again. Just.........., ew.