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[Nyaore]

 

Oooooh. Probably. Hopefully.

 

A mage slave in control of the normal slaves to give them a bit of influence and power and make them more loyal and split the slaves into factions? Sensible.

Hasn't it been explained in the past that the Keepers, at least in the past, were from the noble/influential families from the Dales before it was destroyed? At least that's what I'm recalling, but my memory has always been fuzzy. I really, really like the idea of it being more though, or of the elves who populated the Dales were the first ones to make the mistake and didn't know what it originally meant. I'm really enjoying this 'Ancient Elves are not the Paragons of virtue' shtick the game beat us to death with, it makes them more realistic and dare I say relate-able. There were good ones, and there were bad ones. Just like there are in Tevinter. Actually... Am I the only one who gets the feeling that if we do go to Tevinter in the next game we might just see parallels between the two cultures in that fact? What if the civil war that wiped out the elves was between the masters and their supporters, and the slaves and those who wished them free or wished to force change? Dorian talks about wanting to change Tevinter for the better, but what if that's a catalyst for history repeating itself?

[Ryzaki]

I kind of hate this. For the record, I don't care one way or another about the Dalish, (I do think the hatred shown by some in this thread is over the top and uncalled for, though) and I don't like any tattoos. (face tattoos included) But I think this is an obnoxious twist. (tbf, quite typical of Dragon Age) What actual people, in real life, have marked themselves as slaves like this without realizing it? I mean, it's not that big a deal, it's just kind of annoying and eye-roll-worthy. Like how:

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as far as I can tell, (maybe it changes by the end of the game) the side you don't pick in the mage-templar war becomes mindless husks who it's ethically permissible and necessary to completely annihilate. Just like in actual civil wars where that's the case. Whatever, Dragon Age writers.

 

TBH I still think city elves have the worse deal there. Like, yes, the Dalish don't know that the marking they wear on their face are slave markings, but they still aren't regularly raped and murdered with impunity by nobles. 

 

Real life I'd imagine very few but we haven't completely lost all of hour history. Chunks yes but not just about all of it. 

 

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Agreed on the templar/mage bit. I just can't believe how stupid both sides defaulted to become mooks. That was aggravating.

 

Of course the city elves always have the worst deal that's why I

 

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let Briala use Gaspard as a puppet. Hopefully that'd lead to some lasting and influential change for the elves. They need to stop being under everyone's boot. It's sad.

[LobselVith8]

Nope because one can easily support the city elves while disliking the dalish and they'd belong here just as much as someone who was the reverse or someone who liked both. You want a dalish support thread? Then make one. The dalish aren't the only elves.

 

Except it's a support thread, not an anti-elven thread of any measure. You seem to continually refuse to acknowledge the concept of a support thread.

 

No Lavellan doesn't. Lavellan says they send them to other clans. Full stop. That's what Lavellan says. S/he does not say they don't kill or exile the mages when the numbers are too high.

 

Lavellan can say his clan doesn't do that when he meets a former Dalish who was exiled from her clan for being a mage, and speaks to Vivienne about other clans sending their additional mages to live with other clans. It's also not unprecedented because Zathrian's clan welcomed a fourth mage into their midst, and continue into present day to allow him to follow their clan when he decided to voluntary leave because he felt more at home among nature. Zathrian's clan is already the precedent.

 

Zathrian's clan however is fair enough. You forget how he found her to begin with though? She clearly says the clan didn't want her there but Zath made an exception probably because of how she reminded him of his daughter.

 

I was talking about Aneirin, since Elora, Lanaya, and Zathrian are mages.

 

It's not like that's solved by me later saying some clans probably were more flexible...wait...no it was. The limit is not a hardline thing in reality of course. There's always exceptions.

 

Which leads to the point the developers have made in the past, which is that all the Dalish clans are different; it's even something Solas points out in Inquisition, when he addresses his experiences with other clans, including Clan Lavellan.

[Ryzaki]

Except it's a support thread, not an anti-elven thread of any measure. You seem to continually refuse to acknowledge the concept of a support thread.

 

 

Lavellan can say his clan doesn't do that when he meets a former Dalish who was exiled from her clan for being a mage, and speaks to Vivienne about other clans sending their additional mages to live with other clans. It's also not unprecedented because Zathrian's clan welcomed a fourth mage into their midst, and continue into present day to allow him to follow their clan when he decided to voluntary leave because he felt more at home among nature. Zathrian's clan is already the precedent.

 

 

I was talking about Aneirin, since Elora, Lanaya, and Zathrian are mages.

 

 

Which leads to the point the developers have made in the past, which is that all the Dalish clans are different; it's even something Solas points out in Inquisition, when he addresses his experiences with other clans, including Clan Lavellan.

 

It's an elf support thread Lob. I support the elves. You can whine about me not supporting the dalish to the cows come home. As this is an elven support thread and not a dalish one it doesn't matter. Dalish are not the only elves so I suggest you either make a dalish support thread or get over it because no I'm not going to go "ooh Lob's so right! How dare I comment on the dalish elves!" remark and I'm not sure what you think whining at me is going to accomplish but rapidly growing hostility.

 

Again. No he does not say the mage doesn't do that to Vivienne. I just SS that conversation. He says they send them to other clans. He does not say they are not exiled/killed. It's not even implied. Now if you have links to another version of that conversation I'd love to see it. For one calling me a liar you're certainly clinging to this one tightly.

 

Now I'm not sure about Charter (I think that was her name) because I never had that conversation so again if you could give me some screenshots or even a transcript that'd be swell. Or hell maybe I'll see if I can find her myself.

 

Which you know I already said the clans probably vary and it's something probably left to each clan's discretion as to the exact line. It does however symbolize that there's a point where the dalish will exile/kill the extra mages.

[GreyLycanTrope]

Except it's a support thread, not an anti-elven thread of any measure. You seem to continually refuse to acknowledge the concept of a support thread.

Support doesn't mean blind support tbh.

[TheJediSaint]

Or just being a slave keeper for the master. Something similar to a master of horse I'd imagine but that's just speculation on my part of course.

Basically an overseer. Backs up Fellassan's implication s from The Masked Empire.

"Who swept the floors?"

[LobselVith8]

It's an elf support thread Lob. I support the elves. You can whine about me not supporting the dalish to the cows come home. As this is an elven support thread and not a dalish one it doesn't matter. Dalish are not the only elves so I suggest you either make a dalish support thread or get over it because no I'm not going to go "ooh Lob's so right! How dare I comment on the dalish elves!" remark and I'm not sure what you think whining at me is going to accomplish but rapidly growing hostility.

 

I'm pointing out the simple fact that it's a support thread. I'm not sure why the concept seems to elude you. It's really not too difficult to understand.

 

Again. No he does not say the mage doesn't do that to Vivienne. I just SS that conversation. He says they send them to other clans. He does not say they are not exiled/killed. It's not even implied. Now if you have links to another version of that conversation I'd love to see it. For one calling me a liar you're certainly clinging to this one tightly.

 

He tells the former Dalish his clan doesn't do that when she says the clans exile their extra mages as though it's a fact. It's pretty much a moot point since Zathrian's clan already addresses the precedent since his clan allowed a fourth mage into their midst, who they gave vallaslin to and trained, and who only left of his own volition.

 

Which you know I already said the clans probably vary and it's something probably left to each clan's discretion as to the exact line. It does however symbolize that there's a point where the dalish will exile/kill the extra mages.

 

Except Aneirin disproves this last point, as does Lavellan's dialogue.

[Ryzaki]

I'm pointing out the simple fact that it's a support thread. I'm not sure why the concept seems to elude you. It's really not too difficult to understand.

 

 

He tells the former Dalish his clan doesn't do that when she says the clans exile their extra mages as though it's a fact. It's pretty much a moot point since Zathrian's clan already addresses the precedent since his clan allowed a fourth mage into their midst, who they gave vallaslin to and trained, and who only left of his own volition.

 

 

Except Aneirin disproves this last point, as does Lavellan's dialogue.

 

The concept of it being an elven support thread and not a dalish one seems to elude you though. I suggest you get over it. Either that or make an actual dalish support thread so that whining has merit.

 

Zathrian's clan is one example. There are always exceptions. That shouldn't have to be spelled out but apparently to you it does.

 

It really doesn't. You constantly trying to shift "Send them to other clans." to "Doesn't exile/kill period." it's a lie.

 

And again can I get some proof of these Charter conversations? Because I don't even see the option to speak to her.

[TheJediSaint]

Support doesn't mean blind support tbh.

Support also means being honest.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

I am pro-Elves, but anti-Dalish.

 

It was hilariously funny and sad to hear all about the Dalish revelations from Abelas and Solas...

[Hellion Rex]

 

 

Still lulz worthy though.

As lulz worthy as the Asari?

[Ryzaki]

I find it mostly funny.

 

I always felt the dalish were just as bad as every other race in Thedas they were just really sore losers. Looks like I was right.

[Ryzaki]

As lulz worthy as the Asari?

 

That'd been more lulzy if I hadn't been forced to sad facing for them =/
 

[Hellion Rex]

Question. Were there only Dalish in the Exalted Plains and the Emerald Graves, or were there any more?

[TheJediSaint]

I find it mostly funny.
 
I always felt the dalish were just as bad as every other race in Thedas they were just really sore losers. Looks like I was right.

Tevinter can no longer take credit for destroying the ancient elves, however. Abelas makes it clear they destroyed themselves.

[Angry_Elcor]

 

Except it's a support thread, not an anti-elven thread of any measure. You seem to continually refuse to acknowledge the concept of a support thread.

 

 

I'm just supportin' my elves here...

[Ryzaki]

Tevinter can no longer take credit for destroying the ancient elves, however. Abelas makes it clear they destroyed themselves.

 

Yeah that revelation hm...

 

Hopefully Tevinter and the Qunari follow in those footsteps.

[Hellion Rex]

Yeah that revelation hm...

 

Hopefully Tevinter and the Qunari follow in those footsteps.

NO. THE IMPERIUM SHALL NEVER FALL.

 

MANAVERIS DRACONIS!

[Ryzaki]

NO. THE IMPERIUM SHALL NEVER FALL.

 

MANAVERIS DRACONIS!

 

But if it falls to itself is that really so bad?

 

(or hopefully it and the Qunari can blow each other up and spare everyone else the trouble)

[Hellion Rex]

But if it falls to itself is that really so bad?

 

(or hopefully it and the Qunari can blow each other up and spare everyone else the trouble)

Can I keep my Tevinter boyfriend though?

[Ryzaki]

Can I keep my Tevinter boyfriend though?

 

Of course! He did say he wanted to rebuild it right. Just give him a shovel.

[Hellion Rex]

Of course! He did say he wanted to rebuild it right. Just give him a shovel.

Let's light it up!

[Nyaore]

Of course! He did say he wanted to rebuild it right. Just give him a shovel.

Dorian would balk at the idea though... Make it a fancy shovel.

[LobselVith8]

Zathrian's clan is one example. There are always exceptions. That shouldn't have to be spelled out but apparently to you it does.

 

It really doesn't. You constantly trying to shift "Send them to other clans." to "Doesn't exile/kill period." it's a lie.

 

If the elven protagonist says that his clan doesn't do that, in direct response to a former Dalish talking about how she was exiled as a young child and thinking all clans do that, then it would suggest that it isn't a lie. If the respective clan allows the mages to stay and tries to find the mages homes with other clans, I don't see why you insist on claiming that they must be exiled or killed. Vivienne refusing to accept information to the contrary isn't proof to support your assertion, either.

 

And again can I get some proof of these Charter conversations? Because I don't even see the option to speak to her.

 

It's dialogue you can hear as soon as you've closed the first rift.

[Ryzaki]

Let's light it up!

 

 

Also...do we even get any information about what happened with Merrill's eluvian? I'm doing side quests at the moment but I just finished the Orlesian ball quest.

 

Dorian would balk at the idea though... Make it a fancy shovel.

 

Oh yes. It'll be lovely but sturdy.