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[Lulupab]

There are plenty of minorities who have had it far worse than the city elves who didn't go on to become the Dalish.

 

 

 

'Elves' didn't want to completely ignore humans. 'The rulers of the Dales' wanted to completely ignore humans, and were content to purge elves who disagreed and attempting to prohibit elves from having any choice.

 

The elves aren't a monolithic group with singular identity or desires. Cultural purists or elven identity advocates have no greater claim to monopolizing the elves exposure to culture than anyone else.

 

I think the elves wouldn't mind Orlais not lending them military aid. They didn't help and didn't expect to be helped. They think the blight is the problem of humans started by humans.

 

And which minorities do you mean? If you mean the slaves of tevinter, you should know Tevinter has elven spies and the Dalish in Tevinter are much more aggressive for the right reasons. They don't take in anyone as far as I know.

 

We had a lot of racist nomads living free from chains of big empires like Persia and Byzantine. As long as they were free nothing else mattered to nomads.

 

I think the Dalish have pretty much singular and identical desires and goals.

[Lulupab]

I wouldn't say excessive necessarily. The strongest empire in Thedas was all but already annihilated. It makes sense that Tevinter would want to utterly eradicate them just in case there was a chance the Elven empire would recover.

 

I think they wanted something from elves, and when they couldn't get it they destroyed it. If they couldn't have it no one else should.

[Lord Surinen]

Just created a male elf warrior for my second playthrough, though I'm going to wait until the banter bug is fixed. I'm going two-handed with him. I just wish we could have had body customization options. I took one look at him from the front and went "sweet Mythal, how are you supposed to be able to swing around a giant axe? Go do some pushups!"

You may want to consider waiting until they fix broken arms of male elves: http://forum.bioware...d-its-problems/

 

 

[Tielis]

I see the spirit of the old mage-templar threads lives on here. Thread should really be re-named to "elf support and petty provocateurs."

 

I have an important question. As a non-completionist, is any interesting elven content gated behind "find the scattered tchotchki" quests or is it safely skippable? Am I missing anything really good, lore or story wise?  No spoilers, please, just a direction.

 

According to the strategy guide, it does, yes, open up some elf-related content.  I have a terrible time with parkour myself, so I'm struggling, but I simply cannot let any ancient elf content get past me.  I am cursing the devs under my breath for this.  

[Shadow Fox]

Actually.

 

Spoiler

The recorded acount in the Emerald Graves ruins states that an elven general fell in love with a human chantry sister. He wanted to be with her so much he was willing to convert and pay lip service to the maker.

A group of elves found out about this and decided to stop him, they would prefer him dead rather than converted. They 'accidentally' killed his human lover also then attacked the red crossing chantry to silence any witnessess.

 

Again this was recorded by The elves who actually did this.

 

p.s. I hope the spoiler tag worked, I've never used it before.

Male Dalish Warrior who romanced Leliana.

 

Female Dalish Rogue romanced Alistair.

 

Male Mage Hawke romanced Merrill.

 

Male Dalish Rogue romanced Cassandra.

 

Female Dalish Mage romanced Cullen.

 

Hmm wonder if they should be worried.   

[Tielis]

I'm quite curious to know what actually happened. I get that there was civil war and infighting, but why? Was it over succession or something else entirely?

This has gotten me quite curious about Arlathan culture.

 

What I got from Cole's banter was that it was pretty much Tevinter with the decadence and slavery.  Even worse, the magisters were immortal and fighting with other immortals.  And everyone, inside the Fade and out, was drawn into the skirmish and was suffering.

 

So Fen'Harel said "Enough!" put his foot down and... well, you know what happened after that.  

[Shadow Fox]

What I got from Cole's banter was that it was pretty much Tevinter with the decadence and slavery.  Even worse, the magisters were immortal and fighting with other immortals.  And everyone, inside the Fade and out, was drawn into the skirmish and was suffering.

 

So Fen'Harel said "Enough!" put his foot down and... well, you know what happened after that.  

So the Dread Wolf was actually the good guy.

 

 

Yet another thing the Dalish got wrong.

[Hellion Rex]

What I got from Cole's banter was that it was pretty much Tevinter with the decadence and slavery. Even worse, the magisters were immortal and fighting with other immortals. And everyone, inside the Fade and out, was drawn into the skirmish and was suffering.

So Fen'Harel said "Enough!" put his foot down and... well, you know what happened after that.

I don't think so, necessarily. We don't know how the elven deities fit into the picture, especially Mythal and Fen'Harel.

[Hellion Rex]

So the Dread Wolf was actually the good guy.


Yet another thing the Dalish got wrong.

I don't know how he is "the good guy" when he is directly responsible for the Breach, which killed thousands.

[Hellion Rex]

I think they wanted something from elves, and when they couldn't get it they destroyed it. If they couldn't have it no one else should.

Normally, I would say yes, but I think that on some level they were simply talk g advantage of an enemy's weakness. I think they were more concerned about stopping the elves than anything. A sentiment I understand entirely.

[TheJediSaint]

Normally, I would say yes, but I think that on some level they were simply talk g advantage of an enemy's weakness. I think they were more concerned about stopping the elves than anything. A sentiment I understand entirely.

The Elves had land, potential slaves, and no means from stopping the Vints from taking both.  What more could a rising empire want?

[Addai]

What I got from Cole's banter was that it was pretty much Tevinter with the decadence and slavery.  Even worse, the magisters were immortal and fighting with other immortals.  And everyone, inside the Fade and out, was drawn into the skirmish and was suffering.
 
So Fen'Harel said "Enough!" put his foot down and... well, you know what happened after that.  

What did Cole mean "it was wrong to put it in a child"? Sounds like OGB.

[Lord Surinen]

Normally, I would say yes, but I think that on some level they were simply talk g advantage of an enemy's weakness. I think they were more concerned about stopping the elves than anything. A sentiment I understand entirely.

Yes, most definately we do not know much about the Ancient Elves, but what we know highly suggests that they were almost divine beings, immortal magi breathing magick on the scale never seen after. They were not so different from the Tevinter, if anything, it is  possible that Tevinter might have based their culture/laws on the elvish one. They are pretty much similar. I do not even think it was possible for humans to defeat them, even with their new found blood magick and dragons.

[Hellion Rex]

Yes, most definately we do not know much about the Ancient Elves, but what we know highly suggests that they were almost divine beings, immortal magi breathing magick on the scale never seen after. They were not so different from the Tevinter, if anything, it is possible that Tevinter might have based their culture/laws on the elvish one. They are pretty much similar. I do not even think it was possible for humans to defeat them, even with their new found blood magick and dragons.

They had already had blood magic for a time before they sunk Arlathan. Other than a magocracy and owning slaves, I don't think they were that similar. Though, that is certainly up for debate.

[Hellion Rex]

What did Cole mean "it was wrong to put it in a child"? Sounds like OGB.

Perhaps Solas is just the "vessel" for Fen'Harel like Flemeth was for Mythal. Perhaps the deity possessed the body of an elven child.

[Lord Surinen]

They had already had blood magic for a time before they sunk Arlathan. Other than a magocracy and owning slaves, I don't think they were that similar. Though, that is certainly up for debate.

But it was still new for them as humanity. Probably whole of Tevinter magick culture comes from elves and their teachings. Well of course, they could not be closely similar to elves considering the latter supriority over mankind, but definately elves served as the foundation for lesser races.

[raging_monkey]

But it was still new for them as humanity. Probably whole of Tevinter magick culture comes from elves and their teachings. Well of course, they could not be closely similar to elves considering the latter supriority over mankind, but definately elves served as the foundation for lesser races..

thats been my thought on elven culture

[Hellion Rex]

But it was still new for them as humanity. Probably whole of Tevinter magick culture comes from elves and their teachings. Well of course, they could not be closely similar to elves considering the latter supriority over mankind, but definately elves served as the foundation for lesser races..

I disagree. I find it far more likely that the Forbidden Ones are the culprits for humanity's access to blood magic. And I think it just as likely that elves learned blood magic from spiritual entities as well.

[Dean_the_Young]

I think the elves wouldn't mind Orlais not lending them military aid. They didn't help and didn't expect to be helped. They think the blight is the problem of humans started by humans.

 

I'm don't know where you got the idea anyone was claiming Orlais was sending the elves military aid. I certainly didn't. Orlais did the Exalted March for Orlais own reasons- decades (centuries?) of poor neighbors, religious differences, and an unprovoked elven massacre.

 

That Orlais didn't conquer the Dales for the sake of the elves within it doesn't change what the rulers there did, or tried to do, to other elves who disagreed.

 

 

And which minorities do you mean? If you mean the slaves of tevinter, you should know Tevinter has elven spies and the Dalish in Tevinter are much more aggressive for the right reasons. They don't take in anyone as far as I know.

 

 

I mean real world minorities. There have been real-world minorities and underclasses (informal and formal) who had it considerably worse than the city-elves who didn't resort to practices, policies, or beliefs analogous to the Dalish.

 

 

We had a lot of racist nomads living free from chains of big empires like Persia and Byzantine. As long as they were free nothing else mattered to nomads.

 

 

They also don't exist anymore, and no one particularly morns them. Is that how the Dalish project is intended to end? Freedom, except all the parts that aren't free, living until extinction or assimilation into other peoples who created civilizations rather than just societies?

 

 

 

I think the Dalish have pretty much singular and identical desires and goals.

 

Then you really haven't been paying much attention to them. The Dalish are no more monolithic than the Andrastians. They have a culture, but every culture has its dissidents, deviants, and different idea of what that culture is and should be.
 

[Lord Surinen]

I disagree. I find it far more likely that the Forbidden Ones are the culprits for humanity's access to blood magic. And I think it just as likely that elves learned blood magic from spiritual entities as well.

I did not speak about the blood magick but magick in general. If I remember correctly, These were the elves' survivors who taught humans how to use lyrium. They were probably their teachers before fall of Arlathan.

[Hellion Rex]

I did not speak about the blood magick but magick in general. If I remember correctly, These were the elves' survivors who taught humans how to use lyrium. They were probably their teachers before fall of Arlathan.

Specifically, though, enslaved elves taught the magisters how to send their minds into the Fade with lyrium. But this was only after Arlathan City fell. As far as I can tell, there was no "teaching" prior to Arlathan's fall.

[Lord Surinen]

Specifically, though, enslaved elves taught the magisters how to send their minds into the Fade with lyrium. But this was only after Arlathan City fell. As far as I can tell, there was no "teaching" prior to Arlathan's fall.

This is why I have said about probability. I do not see mannish races to be capable to grasp magick on their own.

[Lulupab]

I'm don't know where you got the idea anyone was claiming Orlais was sending the elves military aid. I certainly didn't. Orlais did the Exalted March for Orlais own reasons- decades (centuries?) of poor neighbors, religious differences, and an unprovoked elven massacre.

 

That Orlais didn't conquer the Dales for the sake of the elves within it doesn't change what the rulers there did, or tried to do, to other elves who disagreed.

 

 

I mean real world minorities. There have been real-world minorities and underclasses (informal and formal) who had it considerably worse than the city-elves who didn't resort to practices, policies, or beliefs analogous to the Dalish.

 

 

They also don't exist anymore, and no one particularly morns them. Is that how the Dalish project is intended to end? Freedom, except all the parts that aren't free, living until extinction or assimilation into other peoples who created civilizations rather than just societies?

 

 

Then you really haven't been paying much attention to them. The Dalish are no more monolithic than the Andrastians. They have a culture, but every culture has its dissidents, deviants, and different idea of what that culture is and should be.
 

 

The nomads stopped existing after the technological advancements. It was redundant and unethical to live like that in that point of time. I doubt Thedas is ever going to reach this time so nomads including the Dalish and Chasind will still exist. Not to mention these Nomads waited for the perfect time until said empires weakened and settled in their own lands. Most countries around the Caspian sea were originally nomadic people who settled there. This is also a way Dalish project can be concluded.

[Cypher0020]

Going itno the final battle as my elf mage who is in love with Cullen 

 

It took THREE games, but it was, as Tali says, "totally worth it!"

[Master Warder Z_]

This is why I have said about probability. I do not see mannish races to be capable to grasp magick on their own.

You underestimate humanity?

That line of reason never blows up in your face