DAMN SEXY HUMANS!! Starting wars wherever they go... How dare they?!
That's a lie, actually. See the Last Flight says elves are the most beautiful things to ever grace Thedas with their perfect faces. Pretty much all of them. Every single one. Obviously the Dalish were just insulted over being spurned for an uglier creature.
I wouldn't say that necessarily. Dalish, yes, because they have issues to work through. I don't think anyone here really has a problem with city elves at all. They have my respect for going through some very tough sh*t.im a mage/elven supporter fully but DAI has given me much to process and my moral foundation is shaken(regarding the series).
Elves are considered easy hate fodder and then add this kinda makes it hard to keep my stance somewhat
both are elves and share a similar ancestry just with two different faiths that are treated more/less the same imoElves aren't hated. DALISH are hated. There is a significant difference. One that Dalish supporters spectacularly often fail to realize
last flight was fanfiction that became canon *shudders* complete outside the DA family.That's a lie, actually. See the Last Flight says elves are the most beautiful things to ever grace Thedas with their perfect faces. Pretty much all of them. Every single one. Obviously the Dalish were just insulted over being spurned for an uglier creature.
I wouldn't say that necessarily. Dalish, yes, because they have issues to work through. I don't think anyone here really has a problem with city elves at all. They have my respect for going through some very tough sh*t.
I'm hoping that future DA titles will have more urban content so we get to see more of the city elves. One minor disappointment I had with Inquisition was that we only got to see a small part of Val Royeaux, a city that's supposed to have the largest alienage in Thedas.
I wouldn't say that necessarily. Dalish, yes, because they have issues to work through. I don't think anyone here really has a problem with city elves at all. They have my respect for going through some very tough sh*t.
I'm confused; does anyone even acknowledge the f*cked up things the humans have done anymore?
Did not the city elves riot, scheme and plot? What makes them so much better than the Dalish? I genuinely would like to understand your viewpoint.
both are elves and share a similar ancestry just with two different faiths that are treated more/less the same imo
last flight was fanfiction that became canon *shudders* complete outside the DA family.
Disclaimer: this was a joke really enjoyed last flight XD
I wish more elves were like Garahel, to be honest.
yeah... had a minor crush on him shame he's deadI wish more elves were like Garahel, to be honest.
This thread definately does not revolve around 'Elf Support'. Suggestion: create 'Elf Discussion'.
yeah... had a minor crush on him shame he's dead
In death, sacrifice.
Goodbye, Crookytail.
Hold up. Do you put stock in that theory, Dean?
More than I do 'Andraste was a mage,' actually (and slightly below 'she was a hedge mage without training).
I think it was TheDarkKnightReturns who sold me. Andraste's birth year is within an acceptable range for an OGB of Dumat, with enough time and access for the mother to get to a Ferelden fishing village before it's birth. The Sentinel armor set, or the armor of the Warden who slew Dumat, somehow ends up in Ferelden near a coastline (the birthplace of Andraste) rather than be reclaimed and stored as a Warden relic at Weistephat, which wouldn't make much sense if the First Warden died. To top it off, Flemeth and Morrigan had to have some reason to believe the OGB ritual would work.
It's highly circumstantial, but if it were true it could also explain some of Andraste's feats. If she were an untrained mage, as a hedge mage her magical powers would manifest in ways not necessarily under her control or at her intended direction. If she were an OGB hedge mage, her magical nature being released in untrained ways could manifest as miracles that no regular mage could mimic.
So, as a theory that works as well as any other...
The First Blight ends with an OGB ritual by whatever the equivalent of Morrigan at the time would be. The Sentinal Warden, the one to kill Dumat, is in on it. He (she?) fakes their own death and flees the battle with not!Morrigan and their armor and flee to the farthest reaches of the known world, as far away from the Imperium's watch as they can. They go to Ferelden, by boat, and end up at a coastal village when Andraste is born. The Sentinal Warden watches over for a time but loses the armor.
Andraste grows up not knowing she is the OGB. She is magical, but not trained as a mage, and so her magic manifests as a hedge mages does: suppressed, subtle, and not necessarily under her own control. She goes her life feeling something different, but never knowing what, and so her own magical influence that responds ever so slightly towards her is projected onto the idea of the Maker. Andraste fights, her powers assist her in ways that no conventional magic could, and not knowing to credit herself Andraste credits the Maker. History happens. Andraste's not-deliberate OGB magic starts a religion dedicated to monotheism that dominates the continent and defines the politics of the next millenia.
So, the next time someone asks 'what's the worst the Old God Baby could do?', ask them this: 'How do you feel about the Chantry?'
[But no, really, I think it's plausible enough to not reject.]
question. for the elves, How might a pro-elven mage view each of the mage specs in inquisiton.
also is it me or does the song once we were about the elves?
I'm confused; does anyone even acknowledge the f*cked up things the humans have done anymore?
Did not the city elves riot, scheme and plot? What makes them so much better than the Dalish? I genuinely would like to understand your viewpoint.
Not sure about the City Elves. But just as some Dalish pity and look down upon City Elves as a inferior backwards brethren who gave up everything else they had left and became 2nd-class flat-ears in human countries, some City Elves look down on the Dalish as wild barbarians who reject "modernizing" into the promise of the Alienages.
both are elves and share a similar ancestry just with two different faiths that are treated more/less the same imo
That is like saying: "So you dislike Tevinter? How can you justify hating ALL of humanity? They all share a common ancestor so they are practically the same!".....
This thread definately does not revolve around 'Elf Support'. Suggestion: create 'Elf Discussion'.
Nope. They all get hijacked in the end. Use the Solas fan thread. At least over there the elf supporters are legion.
nicknamed my dog that... actually answers to that lolIn death, sacrifice. Goodbye, Crookytail.
genetically yes possibly, disposition: there are common traits they share that is also in other races. Not saming its really as simple as i said just really simple if that makes senseThat is like saying: "So you dislike Tevinter? How can you justify hating ALL of humanity? They all share a common ancestor so they are practically the same!".....
genetically yes possibly, disposition: there are common traits they share that is also in other races. Not saming its really as simple as i said just really simple if that makes sense
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You do not dislike the entire SPECIES just because you dislike a culture within that species. The Dalish are largely despicable (horrid practices, arrogant stature, self-defeating culture, the list goes on and on), and people express that. Elves are as varied as humans, so to hate all elves, would be about as stupid as hating all humans.
I'm confused; does anyone even acknowledge the f*cked up things the humans have done anymore?
There was never any question that humans have done terrible things. I can't recall anyone ever claiming otherwise. The reason the Dalish keep getting called out instead of the humans is because plenty of folks have and continue to deny the Dalish are ever culpable for any of the terrible things that have happened to them.
I'm confused; does anyone even acknowledge the f*cked up things the humans have done anymore?
Certainly. I do, at least. It's just so long redundant that there's not much point in bringing it up at any given time. Especially since 'human' as a singular group doesn't have much relevance, since human polities are far more important than human as a race.
I simply don't accept human **** ups as excuses for Dalish **** ups, or vice versa. And since few people deny or reject fuckups by the human nations, more attention and time is left to challenge the defenders who reject that certain things are Dalish fuckups.
Did not the city elves riot, scheme and plot? What makes them so much better than the Dalish? I genuinely would like to understand your viewpoint.
It's less that they're better and more that they're not as bad. City elves by and large avoid many of the Dalish elves' notorious bad practices. There's less nurtured grievance, less xenophobia, less arrogance, and less dwelling on the mythic past. Instead, city elves have largely made peace and moved on along with the humans, adopted new cultures, and assimilated as best they could to get on living their lives for the future rather than fixating on the past.
Plus, city elves face actual oppression from discrimination, which gets sympathy points that the Dalish (who stay out of and away from human society) don't earn.
ah i see it::sigh::...You do not dislike the entire SPECIES just because you dislike a culture within that species. The Dalish are largely despicable (horrid practices, arrogant stature, self-defeating culture, the list goes on and on), and people express that. Elves are as varied as humans, so to hate all elves, would be about as stupid as hating all humans.
I mean if he's going to go through the effort anyway...
Certainly. I do, at least. It's just so long redundant that there's not much point in bringing it up at any given time. Especially since 'human' as a singular group doesn't have much relevance, since human polities are far more important than human as a race.
I simply don't accept human **** ups as excuses for Dalish **** ups, or vice versa. And since few people deny or reject fuckups by the human nations, more attention and time is left to challenge the defenders who reject that certain things are Dalish fuckups.
It's less that they're better and more that they're not as bad. City elves by and large avoid many of the Dalish elves' notorious bad practices. There's less nurtured grievance, less xenophobia, less arrogance, and less dwelling on the mythic past. Instead, city elves have largely made peace and moved on along with the humans, adopted new cultures, and assimilated as best they could to get on living their lives for the future rather than fixating on the past.
Plus, city elves face actual oppression from discrimination, which gets sympathy points that the Dalish (who stay out of and away from human society) don't earn.
Would you accept the idea that the Dalish should be allowed to keep their current religious, cultural and magical systems without human interference as a prerequisite for some kind of reconciliation between them?
Ya'll are just lazy.
Ya'll are just lazy.
Guilty.
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