ah again im still leaning toward inaccuracy than invalidation. To the dalish its still valid. Perhaps im missing something details
I could worship nugs and call them the holiest of all creatures, impervious to all pain. That is invalid. The fact that the Dalish believe it is valid does not make it valid.
I thought Dalish valued mages, but apperanlty not. They'd just let a kid wander in the wilderness to fend of themselves, most likely to die or worse
Different clans behave differently. It's been said since before Origins that the clans vary. Zathrian's clan saved Aneirin and welcomed him into their clan, despite already having three mages. Ariane's clan may have accepted a fourth mage with the Circle mage who was welcomed into her clan. Inquisitor Lavellan can express that his clan does what Merrill's clan did (the Alerion clan), in refusing to exile mages and instead allow them to go to different clans when the time is right. Whether this is even a concern if the Inquisitor sides with the mages (and supports their autonomy) remains to be seen, since the threat of the templars was an issue that the Dalish had to deal with before (as Merill expressed).
but nugs are holy lol. But i guess one could come to that conclusion if thought like such. Hmm interestingI could worship nugs and call them the holiest of all creatures, impervious to all pain. That is invalid. The fact that the Dalish believe it is valid does not make it valid.
but nugs are holy lol. But i guess one could come to that conclusion if thought like such. Hmm interesting
Of course Nugs are holy! The dwarf who discovered how to cook them in so many ways was made a Paragon. Nugs are the most holy of holy foods imaginable! 
but nugs are holy lol. But i guess one could come to that conclusion if thought like such. Hmm interesting
It's a moot point, since nothing in Inquisition states that everything about the Dalish religion is wrong; a certain part of their lore being wrong is similar to Corypheus saying that the City was Black when he first arrived, rather than Golden. If all it takes is one error to invalidate everything else, then the Andrastian and elven faiths are both invalidated, I suppose.
We have an actual elven "god" in DA:I saying the core beliefs of elven history and religion are plain wrong. The only thing Cory says to invalidate the Maker is that he wasn't actually in the Golden City. None of these things are integral to Andrastianism. The elves being ganged up on by humans all the time is integral to elven religion.
We have an actual elven "god" in DA:I saying the core beliefs of elven history and religion are plain wrong. The only thing Cory says to invalidate the Maker is that he wasn't actually in the Golden City. None of these things are integral to Andrastianism. The elves being ganged up on by humans all the time is integral to elven religion.
You mean the story about Mythal. And there's no dialogue saying everything they believe in is wrong. So the comparison is apt. You also seem to confuse their historical accounts with their religion.
i made nuggets come get'em * brings tray out*Of course Nugs are holy! The dwarf who discovered how to cook them in so many ways was made a Paragon. Nugs are the most holy of holy foods imaginable!
that is why i find the situation interesting. I never said i agreed with br3ad just seeking a alternative view. Im a joker not a fool lolIt's a moot point, since nothing in Inquisition states that everything about the Dalish religion is wrong; a certain part of their lore being wrong is similar to Corypheus saying that the City was Black when he first arrived, rather than Golden. If all it takes is one error to invalidate everything else, then the Andrastian and elven faiths are both invalidated, I suppose.
You mean the story about Mythal. And there's no dialogue saying everything they believe in is wrong. So the comparison is apt. You also seem to confuse their historical accounts with their religion.
Nope, and nope. And since historical accounts of what happened to their gods is a part of their religion just like any other, not really.
We have an actual elven "god" in DA:I saying the core beliefs of elven history and religion are plain wrong. The only thing Cory says to invalidate the Maker is that he wasn't actually in the Golden City. None of these things are integral to Andrastianism. The elves being ganged up on by humans all the time is integral to elven religion.
Bah at least I attempt to write my thoughts, inelegant as they may be in comparison
I can scold you when you're not doing well enough, if you'd like.
Take this post. Your grammar is simply atrocious.
you sure the chantry uses that arguementJust because the owners aren't home when you break into their house doesn't mean they don't exist.
I can scold you when you're not doing well enough, if you'd like.
Take this post. Your grammar is simply atrocious.
A little harsh, don't you think?At least he's trying to better himself and leave the squalor. Not like some people....
We have an actual elven "god" in DA:I saying the core beliefs of elven history and religion are plain wrong. The only thing Cory says to invalidate the Maker is that he wasn't actually in the Golden City. None of these things are integral to Andrastianism. The elves being ganged up on by humans all the time is integral to elven religion.
Not the core beliefs- some of the history, while his very existence validates it more than we ever had before. The religion is not the writings and stories, these are echoes recorded by fallible people, as Mother Ghiselle says also of the Chant of Light.
Corypheus says that the Maker and his city is a lie, that it's only shadows and silence. Note, I don't believe him, either. The religion explains adequately enough how that could be true without invalidating its tenets.
A little harsh, don't you think?At least he's trying to better himself and leave the squalor. Not like some people....
Forgive me, I was trying to channel my inner Vivienne.
The religion is not the writings and stories, these are echoes recorded by fallible people, as Mother Ghiselle says also of the Chant of Light.
That's actually is what a religion is.
Corypheus says that the Maker and his city is a lie, that it's only shadows and silence. Note, I don't believe him, either. The religion explains adequately enough how that could be true without invalidating its tenets.
No he didn't. First, the City is definitely real. Second, he said the seat of the gods was empty. He went there in search of the Old Gods. So back to what I already said.
That's actually is what a religion is.
Religion is organized faith, which may or may not include adherence to texts and scriptures.
No he didn't. First, the City is definitely real. Second, he said the seat of the gods was empty. He went there in search of the Old Gods. So back to what I already said.
He went there at the behest/advice of the Old Gods, not looking for the Old Gods themselves.
What is vague is what he expected to find there at all. His references to the absence of the Maker and the seat of god are much more of an Andrastian vision... but did he expect to find the Maker or something similar even back then, well before Andraste was even born?
We know thanks to Gaider that the cult of the maker and movements existed well before Andraste. But did Corypheus believe in it?
then why are the dalish persecuted partly for their arguably "false and invalid" faith. Never will understand thatReligion is organized faith, which may or may not include adherence to texts and scriptures.
He went there at the behest/advice of the Old Gods, not looking for the Old Gods themselves.
What is vague is what he expected to find there at all. His references to the absence of the Maker and the seat of god are much more of an Andrastian vision... but did he expect to find the Maker or something similar even back then, well before Andraste was even born?
We know thanks to Gaider that the cult of the maker and movements existed well before Andraste. But did Corypheus believe in it?
Belief of in the Maker is much older than Andraste. The Old Gods were not considered creator gods, and Tevinters of old believed in an even more powerful, but absent, god (the Maker). They did not worship him though.
then why are the dalish persecuted partly for their arguably "false and invalid" faith. Never will understand that
In Thedas or on BSN?
id like to know both but which ever is shorter XDIn Thedas or on BSN?
He went there at the behest/advice of the Old Gods, not looking for the Old Gods themselves.
That's not what Dorian says. He specifically says they went there in search of the Old Gods. And Cory calls it the "Seat of the Gods." The lore has changed.
id like to know both but which ever is shorter XD
The Elven faith was persecuted in Thedas because the nations of Thedas and the Chantry felt it necessary to dismantle Dalish culture completely, lest they one day become a threat again. So the religion was outlawed. Simple as that.
On the BSN it isn't really villified (by most anyway), but rather Dalish culture as a whole is. Dalish culture is self-defeating, victim-mellowing and backwards moving, and if only the Dalish made active attempts to break free from this stupor, they would be far more agreeable and widely accepted. However the Dalish seem content in stewing in their own inadequacy, which infuriates a lot of people.
That's not what Dorian says. He specifically says they went there in search of the Old Gods. And Cory calls it the "Seat of the Gods." The lore has changed.
Then I'm fairly sure Dorian is wrong, or at best giving a Tevinter version.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe Coryphyfish references Dumat's direction in DA2. Considering how very well established it is that the Old Gods were buried underground (and physically present on this side of the veil), there's not much sense in looking for Dumat in the Golden City. Not unless the old god bodies and the old god souls were somehow trapped on different sides of the Veil.
(Which is possible as a theory, I suppose, but doesn't seem to have much/any support in any of the religious lore or supporting ancient mythos that I can think of.
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