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[LOLandStuff]

Not a single reply thus far has addressed my actual lament (unnecessary exclusivity). Not that that’s surprising in the least.

 

[puppyofwar]

 

 

Not a single reply thus far has addressed my actual lament (unnecessary exclusivity). Not that that’s surprising in the least.

You can still experience  the OGB story line if you did the DR using Alistair or Loghan. 

 

Edit: "That is, Morrigan could be straight in one playthrough, lesbian in another"

 No, Morrigan is always straight in the game, stop confusing your fantasy with reality.

[X Equestris]

It is pathological, indeed. Perhaps you would consider giving the courtesy of reading past your preconception? I’ll note that I did not, in fact, demand changes.
 
I understand orientation perfectly well, thank you. The thing that differentiates games from non-interactive entertainment such as books or games is that they are malleable and customizable. That is, Morrigan could be straight in one playthrough, lesbian in another (bisexual characters are a separate matter). In a healthy society, orientation is but one facet of a person.
 
There are cases in which sexuality or other similar issues would be more important, and that’s when it’s integral to the character’s experience and their place in the world, where it’s shaped their thinking: when they’re persecuted or discriminated based on it, for example. (The elves are a good example in the DA world.)
 
Not a single reply thus far has addressed my actual lament (unnecessary exclusivity). Not that that’s surprising in the least.

It is not "unnecessary exclusivity." The writers wanted Morrigan to be straight. End of story. Deal with it.

[Catche Jagger]

It is pathological, indeed. Perhaps you would consider giving the courtesy of reading past your preconception? I’ll note that I did not, in fact, demand changes.

 

I understand orientation perfectly well, thank you. The thing that differentiates games from non-interactive entertainment such as books or games is that they are malleable and customizable. That is, Morrigan could be straight in one playthrough, lesbian in another (bisexual characters are a separate matter). In a healthy society, orientation is but one facet of a person.

 

There are cases in which sexuality or other similar issues would be more important, and that’s when it’s integral to the character’s experience and their place in the world, where it’s shaped their thinking: when they’re persecuted or discriminated based on it, for example. (The elves are a good example in the DA world.)

 

Not a single reply thus far has addressed my actual lament (unnecessary exclusivity). Not that that’s surprising in the least.

 

You want someone to address your complaint? Fine.

 

Bioware works to make believable characters within the Dragon Age games. These characters have various interests, personality traits, and opinions, all working towards creating something that feels like a real person. Real people do have sexual orientations. That is a fact. Some people like guys, some like girls, some like both. That is simply a fact.

Your comment about sexuality being just one facet of a person makes no sense in this context. Bringing up that it is part of a person (albeit not the end-all be-all) is a self defeating point as you are saying that it is a part of that character regardless.

I get that you feel ignored, but it's all part of building fully realized people within the game. You may play these games to get some sort of wish fulfillment in that you can be some big hero and everyone loves you, etc. but Bioware's goal isn't to cater to your every desire.

[Efvie]

So Bioware wrote a story in which two women cannot have a child, and you for some reason felt the need to supplement this with mods. And now that that story may have an impact on another, they're using the story that they actually wrote rather than acknowledge the fact that you played with a mod. And you see this as somehow being an oversight.

 

No; I see it as an oversight that this possibly significant part was originally made unnecessarily exclusionary.

 

Does that help? Thanks for the medal!

[Maiafay]

No; I see it as an oversight that this possibly significant part was originally made unnecessarily exclusionary.

 

Does that help? Thanks for the medal!

Then make your own Bioware game? As I said, not your sandbox. The devs have final call.

[puppyofwar]

No; I see it as an oversight that this possibly significant part was originally made unnecessarily exclusionary.

 

Does that help? Thanks for the medal!

Choices and Consequences. And like I said, you can still experience those content if you did the DR with Alistair or Loghan.

Just like you can't marry Alistair unless you're a HN female, DEAL with it. 

[herkles]

perhaps there should be a sticky that says MODS ARE NOT SUPPORTED IN THE KEEP

[Efvie]

You want someone to address your complaint? Fine.

 

Bioware works to make believable characters within the Dragon Age games. These characters have various interests, personality traits, and opinions, all working towards creating something that feels like a real person. Real people do have sexual orientations. That is a fact. Some people like guys, some like girls, some like both. That is simply a fact.

Your comment about sexuality being just one facet of a person makes no sense in this context. Bringing up that it is part of a person (albeit not the end-all be-all) is a self defeating point as you are saying that it is a part of that character regardless.

I get that you feel ignored, but it's all part of building fully realized people within the game. You may play these games to get some sort of wish fulfillment in that you can be some big hero and everyone loves you, etc. but Bioware's goal isn't to cater to your every desire.

 

Thank you.

 

Rather than go into the possible (and likely) reasons of why characters’ orientation was what it was, I’ll point out the note I made about essentiality. Let’s say Morrigan was lesbian (or Alistair gay, if that’s easier to reason about); how would her character be different? Would she be less believable? Less fully realized?

 

(If we were modeling the real world, why not throw a random die at the beginning of the game to see if any of the characters are actually romantically interested in you? It’s not guaranteed that people will fall for you, after all…)

[Muspade]

No; I see it as an oversight that this possibly significant part was originally made unnecessarily exclusionary.

 

Does that help? Thanks for the medal!

 

It was not. Deal with it or attempt to Mod DA: I

[Gothfather]

It is pathological, indeed. Perhaps you would consider giving the courtesy of reading past your preconception? I’ll note that I did not, in fact, demand changes.

 

I understand orientation perfectly well, thank you. The thing that differentiates games from non-interactive entertainment such as books or games is that they are malleable and customizable. That is, Morrigan could be straight in one playthrough, lesbian in another (bisexual characters are a separate matter). In a healthy society, orientation is but one facet of a person.

 

There are cases in which sexuality or other similar issues would be more important, and that’s when it’s integral to the character’s experience and their place in the world, where it’s shaped their thinking: when they’re persecuted or discriminated based on it, for example. (The elves are a good example in the DA world.)

 

Not a single reply thus far has addressed my actual lament (unnecessary exclusivity). Not that that’s surprising in the least.

 

"Wah wah wah, bioware didn't cater to my ability to moddify my game and because i CAN do it Bioware MUST acknowledge this in the Keep!"

 

Must resist the absurd...

 

Dammit i can't

 

I want to mod DA:O so that I'm a Jedi crash landed on Thedas and i cut through the Darkspawn with my lightsabre and supplant the wardens as the world's protectors and create the jedi order on Thedas! Why didn't BioWare give me this option in the keep?!?! I mean thats the whole point of interactive entertainment is that I can shape my experience! Its not a copyright issue because EA/Bioware own the rights to star wars in the "old republic era" So just make my Jedi from the old republic era. It is so unfair that people think my lament is unreasonable. Why are people so mean to me?"

 

Your absurd expectations are worthy of outright rejection because it is so far beyond any reasonable expectation that people are having a hard time even grasping your frame of reference.

 

You are not so very important that BioWare should sink extra money into the keep to create every possible option created by 3rd party modifications. Bioware created a story the fact that YOU changed it in no way obligates Bioware to change their story to match yours. It is YOUR responsability as the player to modify your character to fit the story Bioware is telling in a story driven RPG, not the other way around. Yes thats right I said YOU have to compromise not bioware.

 

TL:DR; Suck it up princess. Morrigan is straight she doesn't fancy girls.

[SleepyBird]

The amount of completely not-getting-the-point replies to this topic are so sad and disheartening. I for one, have never played with mods, have absolutely no desirre to ever romance Morrigan, but 100% understand the problem she is mentioning here.

 

The fact that a plotline as potentially critical as being a parent to an old-god is unavailable to female players is a completely legitimate complaint. If Morrigan and her child continue to be of great significance to the world of Dragon Age and are a major factor in the plot going forward, the fact that only male players can be a part of that story is pretty uncool. I personally think it would be very nice if this problem were somehow addressed in Inquisition, removing Morrigan and her child from the game completely, or somehow rewarding those of us who did not have the old-god baby option with some equivalent storyline. 

[puppyofwar]

Thank you.

 

Rather than go into the possible (and likely) reasons of why characters’ orientation was what it was, I’ll point out the note I made about essentiality. Let’s say Morrigan was lesbian (or Alistair gay, if that’s easier to reason about); how would her character be different? Would she be less believable? Less fully realized?

 

(If we were modeling the real world, why not throw a random die at the beginning of the game to see if any of the characters are actually romantically interested in you? It’s not guaranteed that people will fall for you, after all…)

Where the heck does any one said anything like that?

People cry foul when gay characters get turned straight, but it's a-ok to "bend" straight ones? That's Hippocracy, plain and simple.

[herkles]

The amount of completely not-getting-the-point replies to this topic are so sad and disheartening. I for one, have never played with mods, have absolutely no desirre to ever romance Morrigan, but 100% understand the problem she is mentioning here.

 

The fact that a plotline as potentially critical as being a parent to an old-god is unavailable to female players is a completely legitimate complaint. If Morrigan and her child continue to be of great significance to the world of Dragon Age and are a major factor in the plot going forward, the fact that only male players can be a part of that story is pretty uncool. I personally think it would be very nice if this problem were somehow addressed in Inquisition, removing Morrigan and her child from the game completely, or somehow rewarding those of us who did not have the old-god baby option with some equivalent storyline. 

 

you can have the old god baby if you play as a female, you just have to get alistar or Loghain to do the deed with Morrigan. It isn't locked out for females. my main world state is one where Alistair had an OGB, and married my warden queen. 

[Muspade]

The fact that a plotline as potentially critical as being a parent to an old-god is unavailable to female players is a completely legitimate complaint. If Morrigan and her child continue to be of great significance to the world of Dragon Age and are a major factor in the plot going forward, the fact that only male players can be a part of that story is pretty uncool. I personally think it would be very nice if this problem were somehow addressed in Inquisition, removing Morrigan and her child from the game completely, or somehow rewarding those of us who did not have the old-god baby option with some equivalent storyline. 

 

There is no female equivalent unless you want your own Warden/Inquisitor to become pregnant with a MALE or if you attempt "adoption". A term I'm uncertain even exists In Thedas.

[Efvie]

perhaps there should be a sticky that says MODS ARE NOT SUPPORTED IN THE KEEP

 

In which part did I express confusion about whether or not mods are supported?

[puppyofwar]

The amount of completely not-getting-the-point replies to this topic are so sad and disheartening. I for one, have never played with mods, have absolutely no desirre to ever romance Morrigan, but 100% understand the problem she is mentioning here.

 

The fact that a plotline as potentially critical as being a parent to an old-god is unavailable to female players is a completely legitimate complaint. If Morrigan and her child continue to be of great significance to the world of Dragon Age and are a major factor in the plot going forward, the fact that only male players can be a part of that story is pretty uncool. I personally think it would be very nice if this problem were somehow addressed in Inquisition, removing Morrigan and her child from the game completely, or somehow rewarding those of us who did not have the old-god baby option with some equivalent storyline. 

We don't know that yet, ans I doubt Bioware is going to make OGB crucial for the exact argument you posted.

Just like our warden, the OGB plot line have too many variable to implant in game proper.   

[SleepyBird]

you can have the old god baby if you play as a female, you just have to get alistar or Loghain to do the deed with Morrigan. It isn't locked out for females.

 

In that case the baby is the child of Alistair or Loghain, completely removing the player from any significance to the plot. The problem is that the female player cannot participate, having someone else do the deed, does not resolve the problem in any way.

[Muspade]

In that case the baby is the child of Alistair or Loghain, completely removing the player from any significance to the plot. The problem is that the female player cannot participate, having someone else do the deed, does not resolve the problem in any way.

So she wanted a threesome?

[puppyofwar]

So she wanted a threesome?

*raise hand*  for science, of course.

[Br3admax]

In that case the baby is the child of Alistair or Loghain, completely removing the player from any significance to the plot. The problem is that the female player cannot participate, having someone else do the deed, does not resolve the problem in any way.

Because Morrigan is heterosexual. Deal with it. The plotline isn't that critical, if it's optional.

[ohmyzomfg]

Honestly I don't get it. I don't think that it is important who sired the OGB but if it exists or not. This is the choice you have to make in DA:O and it is available for PCs oft both genders.

[frylock23]

Except Alistair was not gay and Morrigan was not a lesbian in DA:O. Similarly in this game Dorian is not straight and neither is Sera.

 

The writers chose to make them that way. They will be fully realized characters no matter their orientations, and despite what anyone may wish, they are the orientations they are and the stories and choices stemming from them are written with these fully realized characters being what they are in totality.

 

You can create your own fantasies where Dorian might be straight or Alistair gay, but in the game as it is programmed and written and will be carried forward by the devlopers, that is not the way they are, and complaining about it won't change that.

 

In other words, they are not going to reject their reality and substitute your own.

[Augustei]

In that case the baby is the child of Alistair or Loghain, completely removing the player from any significance to the plot. The problem is that the female player cannot participate, having someone else do the deed, does not resolve the problem in any way.

So basically "Wah the kids not mine?" GG. Considering the Warden isn't A PC anymore anyway I hardly see how thats relevent...Not that it even would have been if it were otherwise.

[Br3admax]

Honestly I don't get it. I don't think that it is important who sired the OGB but if it exists or not. This is the choice you have to make in DA:O and it is available for PCs oft both genders.

They want their modded romance to be valid.