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[LiliththeWolfheart]

"Unnecessary exclusivity" is a redundant comment on a Bioware game.  If consequences didn't exist for picking a choice in a Role Playing Game, then what would be the point of choosing a gender, or a race if everyone is going to treat you the same?  Dwarves can't be mages.  You can't romance your siblings in DA2.  This argument runs along the same vain as these complaints brought up in the past.  The fact is that your argument of "Morrigan can be straight in one playthrough but lesbian in another" is the equivalent of taking a wrecking ball to Bioware's hard work in creating a well-rounded, self-contained character.  Becoming playersexual on one's own whims negates that character to a toy for one to manipulate, saturating the experience of the game.

 

Furthermore, this is a role playing game we are speaking of.  I'm not criticising anyone for playing as themselves, but if you want something to go a certain way, perhaps you should role-play as something else, a male, for change; you might even enjoy it. 

[Master Warder Z_]

The tainted dragon soul child isn't going to be critical.

That's actually been mentioned in the Morrigan thread.

It's a choice no doubt, but I'd expect mass effect 3 results.

[Gothfather]

In that case the baby is the child of Alistair or Loghain, completely removing the player from any significance to the plot. The problem is that the female player cannot participate, having someone else do the deed, does not resolve the problem in any way.

WTF are you talking about?

 

You do realize that the baby isn't your character's in DA:I or any future game right? How does the OGB storyline matter if the baby is birthed by the warden, Loghain or Alistair in terms of excludng female players from the significance of the plot? ANY female player can play the story line of the OGB and when the OGB storyline advances NO player Character REGARDLESS of gender will have connection to the OGB other than its part of the history of THEDAS. Because you will not be playing the game as the warden. You are not playing the same character in the three DA games so truly there is no exclusion based on gender for this plot line.

[SleepyBird]

So she wanted a threesome?

Hahaha, look, there are a hundred ways that the plotline could have been better implemented in Origins so that a female player could participate. A magically binding contract to have a child with Alistair and give that child to Morrigan would have been a very simple and clean equivalent solution. But it's too late now to make suggestions.

 

I'm not saying that BioWare should be obligated to invent a time-machine to go back and fix this plotline in Origins, I'm only saying it would be nice if Inquisition addressed this plotline in a way that acknowledges female players were not given an equivalent choice, and either give us some kind of new equivalent storyline, or simply remove the plotline entirely.

[Steelcan]

oh BSN. never change

[Efvie]

Where the heck does any one said anything like that?

People cry foul when gay characters get turned straight, but it's a-ok to "bend" straight ones? That's Hippocracy, plain and simple.

 

The person I was replying to asserted that BioWare attempts to create “fully realized” characters. I agree with that, but asked whether Morrigan would be an incompletely realized character were her sexual orientation different. Would she?

As for the hypocritical people, I don’t know which game or character you’re referring to. You’ll have to be more specific if you feel it’s a relevant point somehow. 

[Maiafay]

It seems the problem is the male warden may be the "father" and the female warden cannot be the "mother". The player's choices in the default world state are optional to begin with, and regardless if you're male or female: if you had Morrigan do the ritual, you have the OGB either way.

 

It doesn't seem unfair at all. Both genders have equal opportunity at the quest - and it seems the only issue is the f!warden cannot be a parent of this child. To me, it's not enough to even complain about, let alone to the extent of the OP. Games ride a fine line between reality and fantasy, and making the f!warden procreate by magic might have alienated many fans. There's already whining about the romance options - and I can't imagine writing in some controversal equivalent of a mpreg would have gone over well.

[Augustei]

Hahaha, look, there are a hundred ways that the plotline could have been better implemented in Origins so that a female player could participate. A magically binding contract to have a child with Alistair and give that child to Morrigan would have been a very simple and clean equivalent solution. But it's too late now to make suggestions.

 

I'm not saying that BioWare should be obligated to invent a time-machine to go back and fix this plotline in Origins, I'm only saying it would be nice if Inquisition addressed this plotline in a way that acknowledges female players were not given an equivalent choice, and either give us some kind of new equivalent storyline, or simply remove the plotline entirely.

You use words like "better implemented" and "fix", your A crack up XD. Need to "fix" Morrigans sexuality lololollolol

Also OP clearly likes to fanfic, can't she just pretend her Warden went and got pregnant later and had a kid?

[frylock23]

I'm not sure why you feel so left out.

 

I only played female Wardens and I never felt left out. I always had the choice put to me by Morrigan. The only thing I never participated in was the sex itself.

[Muspade]

or simply remove the plotline entirely.

Don't count on it being removed, ever.

Hahaha, look, there are a hundred ways that the plotline could have been better implemented in Origins so that a female player could participate. 

If it involves "magical impregnation", I'm certain the writers already thought of it but called bull on the magical part and went with the other idea instead. Do mention those hundreds of idea's, though. I'm all ears

I'm only saying it would be nice if Inquisition addressed this plotline in a way that acknowledges female players were not given an equivalent choice.

Why would you want that? Don't you just want to have Alistair or Loghain, and Morrigan to acknowledge you forced these two men on her? I dun enderstevn.

 and either give us some kind of new equivalent storyline.

Like, what?

[SleepyBird]

Honestly I don't get it. I don't think that it is important who sired the OGB but if it exists or not. This is the choice you have to make in DA:O and it is available for PCs oft both genders.

So are you saying you would have been completely content if at the end of the game Alistair approched your male warden and said "Go talk Morrigan into having sex with me and bearing my demon-baby. If you do this you can live." You would have found this plot-line 100% as satisfying as the current option?

[Br3admax]

Probably. "To live, all you have to do is have sex."

 

 

 

 

Hmmp, sure. Okay. 

[Maiafay]

 

So are you saying you would have been completely content if at the end of the game Alistair approched your male warden and said "Go talk Morrigan into having sex with me and bearing my demon-baby. If you do this you can live." You would have found this plot-line 100% as satisfying as the current option?

It was a bid to save your life. That made the stakes higher, and your warden more willing (or not) to compromise. And even then, you still had to talk the third party into it. It wouldn't have mattered if it was Alistair or Morrigan.

[Gothfather]

You use words like "better implemented" and "fix", your A crack up XD. Need to "fix" Morrigans sexuality lololollolol

OP clearly likes to fanfic, can't she just pretend her Warden went and got pregnant later and had a kid?

Oh this made me laugh so much, thank you.

[Catche Jagger]

Thank you.

Rather than go into the possible (and likely) reasons of why characters’ orientation was what it was, I’ll point out the note I made about essentiality. Let’s say Morrigan was lesbian (or Alistair gay, if that’s easier to reason about); how would her character be different? Would she be less believable? Less fully realized?

(If we were modeling the real world, why not throw a random die at the beginning of the game to see if any of the characters are actually romantically interested in you? It’s not guaranteed that people will fall for you, after all…)

Well, perfect realism isn't going to happen, since that would mean that probably only one of our companions would be non-heterosexual (following what would be statistically probable). What we get instead is a group of characters who are individually realistic.

I would have no issue with Alistair and Morrigan being gay, but they aren't. Sexuality isn't something that makes any character better or worse, but it is still as aspect of who they are.

The other option is to do what DA2 did, and make all the LIs interested in the main character, which feels a bit weird, especially in how the characters were not treated as bisexual (though they were later confirmed to be so).

[Efvie]

The fact is that your argument of "Morrigan can be straight in one playthrough but lesbian in another" is the equivalent of taking a wrecking ball to Bioware's hard work in creating a well-rounded, self-contained character.

 

“Unnecessary” is a modifier word; that is, this is a restriction that is not needful. Other restrictions may be.

Can you explain how an additional option to Morrigan’s sexual orientation destroys the character? What, exactly, does it change about her?

 

As for your suggestion, thank you, but I have already played various combinations of gender, race, and class. Not all, but quite a few. A female mage Warden romancing Morrigan is simply the one I like best.

[Muspade]

“Unnecessary” is a modifier word; that is, this is a restriction that is not needful. Other restrictions may be.

Can you explain how an additional option to Morrigan’s sexual orientation destroys the character? What, exactly, does it change about her?

 

As for your suggestion, thank you, but I have already played various combinations of gender, race, and class. Not all, but quite a few. A female mage Warden romancing Morrigan is simply the one I like best.

Even if she was into girls, she still can't get pregnant by another girl.

That's just how it works, man girl.

[puppyofwar]

“Unnecessary” is a modifier word; that is, this is a restriction that is not needful. Other restrictions may be.

Can you explain how an additional option to Morrigan’s sexual orientation destroys the character? What, exactly, does it change about her?

 

As for your suggestion, thank you, but I have already played various combinations of gender, race, and class. Not all, but quite a few. A female mage Warden romancing Morrigan is simply the one I like best.

An additional option which don't exists in the vanilla game.

And no, it doesn't "ruin" her character. But it shows the disrespect you have for the character herself and her writer. You see her sexuality as something you can bend just because you feel like it. 

It is just as bad as someone who claimed Sera or Dorian was anything other than gay.

[LOLandStuff]

Even if she was into girls, she still can't get pregnant by another girl.

That's just how it works, man girl.

 

Yes she can. By magic. Bioware should add that because she wants her character to impregnate Morrigan via magic.

 

I shudder and need a shower just for thinking about this...

[Br3admax]

Can you explain how an additional option to Morrigan’s sexual orientation destroys the character? What, exactly, does it change about her?

Who she is. It's the same as saying that your sexuality is an unnecessary modifier. 

[Efvie]

 

If it involves "magical impregnation", I'm certain the writers already thought of it but called bull on the magical part and went with the other idea instead. Do mention those hundreds of idea's, though. I'm all ears

 

I mentioned two in the first post: firstly, the ritual could be performed with Alistair, with Morrigan and f!Warden then taking care of the child. Secondly, a non-romanced Morrigan could allow a friend Warden to help her raise the child.

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Someone mentioned that the OGD is “exactly the same” if a female Warden lets Morrigan perform the rite with Alistair/Loghain.

This is not true; there is a very significant difference between the Warden going through the Eluvian with Morrigan and not. One potentially involves a decade of raising the child (among other things).

[Muspade]

 f!Warden then taking care of the child. 

Morrigan want to keep the child for herself, so that is not happening either.

 

Invalid.

[Br3admax]

None of that impacts the story of Inquisition. It's passing references at best, and I've actually seen most of them. 

[Chewy]

Ohhhh maaaan.... This is hilarious!
Mirigain was written as heterosexual, not bi nor lesbian. Not every character has to be written to your specific interests just bc you like them. DA:O mods don't count, mods were created to cater to some and make game more fun (cute scenes, hairstyles some cutscenes) Bioware will not acknowledge them and they will not re-write their whole story bc someone is butt hurt. Get over yourself and move on. Enjoy DA:I

[LOLandStuff]

Morrigan is too smart to let your character get anywhere near her child. Good on her.

 

She's the sort who'd cross the street, move town, change name just to avoid her.