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[SpiritMuse]

“Unnecessary” is a modifier word; that is, this is a restriction that is not needful. Other restrictions may be.
Can you explain how an additional option to Morrigan’s sexual orientation destroys the character? What, exactly, does it change about her?
 
As for your suggestion, thank you, but I have already played various combinations of gender, race, and class. Not all, but quite a few. A female mage Warden romancing Morrigan is simply the one I like best.

It would make her "not Morrigan". Morrigan is straight. If she's not straight, she's not Morrigan. Sexual orientation is an immovable part of someone's character. This is not an oversight.

Besides, biological mother or not, the female warden is still directly responsible for it happening. She made the decision. She convinced her male compatriot to do it.

[frylock23]

So the only reason they wrote Morrigan as straight (and Alistair for that matter) is because they were afraid of being too controversial?

 

If that's true, then how do you explain Cullen, Blackwall and Cass all of whom are straight? Where the writers just afraid of making them controversial, too?

 

And does that mean that Sera and Dorian are also just written as gay to avoid being controversial? After all, they will only sleep with characters of one gender.

 

I guess that means that Iron Bull, being pansexual, is the only really "brave" on in the lot?

 

This is just silly, and by the way, I never heard it said that Thedosian magic can create a new being out of nothing which is what you are claiming the OGB ritual would do for two women. And if it worked like that, there would be no need for Morrigan to actually change her orientation or romance anyone because all she would need is the soul of the Old God. She needed the sex to get pregnant so that she had the baby to bring the soul to which is the only reason why she would even entertain the thought of sleeping with Alistair. You seriously think she liked him at all?! No, she needed to be pregnant in order for the soul to come to her. If she could magically create a baby for the soul, there would have been no reason for the sex and thus no reason for the romance.

[Steelcan]

 

There weren’t gay characters in Origins, to be exact. Leliana and Zevran were specifically added to give gay options—the default is heterosexual.

 

 

And, *sigh*, yes, I do understand that Morrigan is male player character-sexual in the unmodified  the lore and canon of the game. I really do. Trust me. I’m aware of this fact.

Yes there were gay characters, Wade and Herren, in addition to Leliana and Zevran being bisexual.  The default is heterosexual? IRL, yeah, but in Thedas since its a writer's creation and he hasn't said "default is straight" each character must be examined independently

[Efvie]

We have no reason to believe that reproduction works differently in Thedas than it does in the real world. The Old God's soul needs a body to inhabit, and the only way to create that body is through normal sexual reproduction.

 

I know, it was just a funny appeal. And as I mentioned in the OP, the ritual requiring a man is not a problem for me as such.

[Steelcan]

I know, it was just a funny appeal. And as I mentioned in the OP, the ritual requiring a man is not a problem for me as such.

well it should be, magic cannot conceive a child

[raging_monkey]

Ah the bsn at its finest * eats popcorn*

[Efvie]

well it should be, magic cannot conceive a child

 

Okay, Dagna, but please read what I said.

[Steelcan]

Okay, Dagna, but please read what I said.

well you need a man for the ritual to work, so it can't work no amtter what you'd prefer between two women

[Efvie]

well you need a man for the ritual to work, so it can't work no amtter what you'd prefer between two women

 

Here, let me quote:

 

“And, ignoring the fact that the conception is in large part magic […], biological parentage is hardly necessary. The child could be Alistair or Loghain’s—or truly no-one’s, being a god—and the Warden and Morrigan still its mothers.”

[Steelcan]

Here, let me quote:

 

“And, ignoring the fact that the conception is in large part magic […], biological parentage is hardly necessary. The child could be Alistair or Loghain’s—or truly no-one’s, being a god—and the Warden and Morrigan still its mothers.”

And she would do this why?

[Br3admax]

Because Morrigan was modded to be lesbian in their game, therefore BioWare should make her lesbian. 

[Kath]

I agree, it kind of sucks that that only males can have any genetic/familial ties to the OGB, but honestly this point is so past moot I don't know why it's being brought up. Even ignoring the genetic side of things, Morrigan is straight. You could make the same argument for males wanting to be King Alistair's consort.... but he is also straight. 

 

Would I like to see more gay main characters in the future? YES.

Do I want to make EVERYONE gay for the sake of inclusion? No. 

[Gothfather]

Here, let me quote:

 

“And, ignoring the fact that the conception is in large part magic […], biological parentage is hardly necessary. The child could be Alistair or Loghain’s—or truly no-one’s, being a god—and the Warden and Morrigan still its mothers.”

 

If you want to play happy families go play the SIMs.

 

Morrigan doesn't WANT to love the warden she falls for a MALE warden despite herself. Why? because she has a plan for the baby and making happy families is counter to her plan.

 

Seeing as Sexual orientation 101 failed to explain it maybe this more simplistic explination will do the trick.

 

She doesn't like grrls cuz they have coodies so she wouldn't fall in love with a grrl warden and thus she would never want to make happy families with YOU cuz you have grrl coodies.

[l7986]

20$ says that if I open a thread about making gay characters straight because I can mod them like that, the op and several people in this thread will be shitting all over it in seconds because you can't change a persons sexuality...

[Vitani]

Here, let me quote:

 

“And, ignoring the fact that the conception is in large part magic […], biological parentage is hardly necessary. The child could be Alistair or Loghain’s—or truly no-one’s, being a god—and the Warden and Morrigan still its mothers.”

But they aren't and it is impossible for a female to get romantic with Morrigan, let alone convince her to rise a baby with her...come on, what is so hard to understand here? Would you walk up to a pregnant friend (straight one) and ask her to rise a child with you? What do you think would be her reaction? You would be shot down because that is the way she feels, the way Morrigan feels also...the way Devs made her. 

[Gothfather]

20$ says that if I open a thread about making gay characters straight because I can mod them like that, the op and several people in this thread will be shitting all over it in seconds because you can't change a persons sexuality...

i don't think so I think you would get a many of the same people going after you that are going after the OP.

 

This isn't a orientation issue really at all. Its a "I want X Bioware give me X!" stomps feet thread. Its not getting much support because almost everyone thinks the OP is profoundly unreasonable.

[what]

Oops double post 

Modifié par what, 16 novembre 2014 - 07:57 .

[what]

20$ says that if I open a thread about making gay characters straight because I can mod them like that, the op and several people in this thread will be shitting all over it in seconds because you can't change a persons sexuality...

 

Awful argument, because straight people get loads of representation, we barely get anything. Dorian and Sera are the first gay companions we've had in Bioware games (I believe?), how is it fair for people to erase that by modding them as straight (or even bisexual, who are better represented in Bioware games than gay people are). 

[raging_monkey]

20$ says that if I open a thread about making gay characters straight because I can mod them like that, the op and several people in this thread will be shitting all over it in seconds because you can't change a persons sexuality...

ill take that bet

[Steelcan]

Awful argument, because straight people get loads of representation, we barely get anything. Dorian and Sera are the first gay companions we've had in Bioware games (I believe?), how is it fair for people to erase that by modding them as straight (or even bisexual, who are better represented in Bioware games than gay people are). 

Its no better or worse to make a straight character gay than a gay character straight

[Medhia_Nox]

I have to say I find this all sorts of unreasonable.

[Gothfather]

Awful argument, because straight people get loads of representation, we barely get anything. Dorian and Sera are the first gay companions we've had in Bioware games (I believe?), how is it fair for people to erase that by modding them as straight (or even bisexual, who are better represented in Bioware games than gay people are). 

 

If anyone modded Sera to be straight or bi and did the same to Dorian I am pretty sure the majority of them would be doing this so they could romance them, not to erase their sexuality. i know a LOT of gay and bi men that would go ape over a M/M relationship cullen mod. And there was more than a little disappointment over Cassandra by bi and gay females.

 

Its not about erasing their sexuality with Mods its about opening up companions that are gated. I 100% fully support any community making any companion open for romance. I just think it is 100% beyond the pale nutzoid to expect Bioware to make that choice as part of "official" cannon in future games.

[what]

Its no better or worse to make a straight character gay than a gay character straight

 

So would you think its okay to make Dorian or Vivienne white? You see no problem with that?

 

Doing that, and also erasing gay characters sexuality is awful and it is not the same thing as making a straight character gay/bi. Straight people are not oppressed or told their sexuality is wrong, there has been no bad history for straight people and they are represented everywhere. Please don't trivialize this issue. 

[Efvie]

But they aren't and it is impossible for a female to get romantic with Morrigan, let alone convince her to rise a baby with her...come on, what is so hard to understand here? Would you walk up to a pregnant friend (straight one) and ask her to rise a child with you? What do you think would be her reaction? You would be shot down because that is the way she feels, the way Morrigan feels also...the way Devs made her. 

 

You argue that this is the only way Morrigan could be. I’m of the opinion that Morrigan would be her (un/)lovable self whether straight or gay.

 

And, saddening as that is, that wasn’t even my main point. My main point was… well, nevermind. I think exactly four people got far enough to read it before their klaxons deafened and blinded them to any dialogue.

[Br3admax]

So would you think its okay to make Dorian or Vivienne white? You see no problem with that?

 

Doing that, and also erasing gay characters sexuality is awful and it is not the same thing as making a straight character gay/bi. Straight people are not oppressed or told their sexuality is wrong, there has been no bad history for straight people and they are represented everywhere. Please don't trivialize this issue. 

 

No, it's not any worse. Your statement implies it's somehow more okay to be prejudice against straight people than gay people. Both are wrong, which is what Steel said.