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[Linkenski]

Comparing obsidian games to Bioware games I think the line was always drawn over the fact that Obsidian usually excell more at their literary focus where Bioware usually has a wider target audience by making their games less deep thematically (or don't go into detail as much) but the character interactions are still entertaining and the action is also very important.

 

I've never played Baldur's Gate so I can't comment there, but comparing KotOR 1 to KotOR2 and Mass Effect to Alpha Protocol I think it definitely rings true that Bioware's game is more digestible for a wide audience while Obsidian are more careful in detail but makes stories that won't be everybody's cup of tea.

 

I think Mass Effect (for me) failed when the biggest influences, Drew Karpyshyn and Chris L'Etoile left after ME2 though. It showed at almost every corner of ME3, and I bet Chris L'Etoile would've reacted very passionately with refusal towards Mac and Casey's ending idea if he'd been part of ME3. Everything regarding synthetics and organics seemed completely counterpoint to what Chris had established in 1 and 2, in Mass Effect 3.

[SporkFu]

Nope. If any single game had that distinction, it would be "Planescape: Torment". Also, the BG series walked in the footsteps of Fallout, which preceded it by two years and features many of the same elements, often better realized than in the BG games.

I like you.

[ImaginaryMatter]

Comparing obsidian games to Bioware games I think the line was always drawn over the fact that Obsidian usually excell more at their literary focus where Bioware usually has a wider target audience by making their games less deep thematically (or don't go into detail as much) but the character interactions are still entertaining and the action is also very important.

 

I've never played Baldur's Gate so I can't comment there, but comparing KotOR 1 to KotOR2 and Mass Effect to Alpha Protocol I think it definitely rings true that Bioware's game is more digestible for a wide audience while Obsidian are more careful in detail but makes stories that won't be everybody's cup of tea.

 

BioWare games also tend to have better managing and QA testing.

 

I do wonder what would happen if Obsidian made a Mass Effect game.

[von uber]

I tried baldur's gate about 6 months ago; bounced right off it.

[themikefest]

I've never played the game and most likely never will.

[SporkFu]

Games have come so far since the Baldur's Gate days. Planescape: Torment is one of my favorite games of all time. In fact, I probably played it more than the ME games -- well maybe not more, but it's damn close. But I find them very tough to get into these days. It's too bad, cuz there are some great moments in them. 

[ImaginaryMatter]

Games have come so far since the Baldur's Gate days. Planescape: Torment is one of my favorite games of all time. In fact, I probably played it more than the ME games -- well maybe not more, but it's damn close. But I find them very tough to get into these days. It's too bad, cuz there are some great moments in them. 

 

*puts on hipster glasses*

 

Everyone knows games made in the 90s are better than games made today.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

The whole thing about Mass Effect 3 vs the older games is the ending. I'll call this Bad Ending Theory. If Mass Effect 3 had a good ending, we would not be picking the game to pieces like this. While the  had many of the same elements of Mass Effect 3 they had far better endings. That's why they were revered.

[SporkFu]

The whole thing about Mass Effect 3 vs the older games is the ending. I'll call this Bad Ending Theory. If Mass Effect 3 had a good ending, we would not be picking the game to pieces like this. While the had many of the same elements of Mass Effect 3 they had far better endings. That's why they were revered.

The BET works for me. Certainly seen plenty of evidence to back it up. Hell, I remember Torment getting ripped apart back in the day because

Spoiler

no matter how you dealt with the Transcendent One, the Nameless One always accepted his fate and went to fight in the Blood Wars for eternity.

And it quickly turned into complaining about every little thing.

[Iakus]

The whole thing about Mass Effect 3 vs the older games is the ending. I'll call this Bad Ending Theory. If Mass Effect 3 had a good ending, we would not be picking the game to pieces like this. While the  had many of the same elements of Mass Effect 3 they had far better endings. That's why they were revered.

Indeed.  I mean, Mass Effect 2 doesn't have much of a story either.  But it had an awesome ending (unless you get a lot of people killed) So the game itself was considered awesome.

[Iakus]

*puts on hipster glasses*

 

Everyone knows games made in the 90s are better than games made today.

*looks up from his second Baldur's Gate run in a year* 

 

Hmmmm?

[themikefest]

Games have come so far since the Baldur's Gate days. Planescape: Torment is one of my favorite games of all time. In fact, I probably played it more than the ME games -- well maybe not more, but it's damn close. But I find them very tough to get into these days. It's too bad, cuz there are some great moments in them. 

Heck, they've come a long way since pong. I thought that was the best thing ever at the time. I know pong wasn't an rpg or anything, but it still was good and fun.

[SporkFu]

Heck, they've come a long way since pong. I thought that was the best thing ever at the time. I know pong wasn't an rpg or anything, but it still was good and fun.

Heh, yes indeed. Pong was the best thing ever.... until Donkey Kong. 

[Farangbaa]

Pong was thoroughly ruined for me by 'That's 70's Show'.

 

All I can think of now are smaller paddles

[Linkenski]

BioWare games also tend to have better managing and QA testing.

 

I do wonder what would happen if Obsidian made a Mass Effect game.

Better story and characters, worse gameplay and cinematography, less mainstream appeal, probably.

[Vazgen]

Better story and characters, worse gameplay and cinematography, less mainstream appeal, probably.

And bugs. Lots of them

[Humakt83]

Better story and characters, worse gameplay and cinematography, less mainstream appeal, probably.

Obsidian's characters are generally bland as hell. And I'm going to say most of their stories aren't that good either.

[ImaginaryMatter]

And bugs. Lots of them

 

I remember watching the credits for Fallout: New Vegas. There were two people doing the QA.

 

Possibly relevant:

 

[SporkFu]

Obsidian's characters are generally bland as hell. And I'm going to say most of their stories aren't that good either.

I... uhh... yeah... okay... I got nothing. 

[RedCaesar97]

I remember watching the credits for Fallout: New Vegas. There were two people doing the QA.

 

Possibly relevant:

 

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I remember seeing that comic a few years ago. And as someone else pointed out at the time: Notice how BioWare writes the dialogue in both Heaven and Hell?

[dreamgazer]

Obsidian's characters are generally bland as hell.

Uh ...









... que?

[dreamgazer]

Anyway ...

Older Bioware games had much of what's hated about ME3

Yes, yes they do.

[Iakus]

Uh ...









... que?

 

No screenshot of Steven heck?  I am disappoint 

[dreamgazer]

No screenshot of Steven heck?  I am disappoint 

YES. I am disappoint in myself.

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

I do have many thoughts as to what the difference was with ME 3... but I'm both tired literally (lag from travelling and weather) and figuratively (even though I came to BSN late, and for MP, I have exhausted most of my willingness to deal with ME 3's ending.)

 

Basic points only:

 

- Out of left field

 

- Directly contradicted both the marketing and spirit of the series by doing away with the significance of all choices leading up until then (they called the series "mass effect" for a reason... your choices were supposed to have a "massive effect" on the story.)

 

- Balder's Gate was a stand alone story, with the possibility of a sequel, rather than a directly continuous story that had been intended from the beginning.

 

I'll stop there. Too much to say, and there's really no point, anymore.