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[Lek5tacy]

We were doing some non-scientific testing with games using this new Denuvo Anti-Tamper software. There seems to be a correlation between your Drive speed and performance. The faster your Hard Drive the greater CPU usage it seems resulting in a lower performance of games. The working theory is that the faster your drive is, the more often Denuvo does its encrypt and decrypt cycle as it takes less time to read/write.

 

So do not install DA:I on your SSD, throw it on your old hard drive and deal with the slower load times. Plus you may as take the precaution of not installing on a SSD as it might shortened its life span.

 

This is all speculation however, but performance has improved on a slower drive, so take it as it is.

[cloudblade70]

We were doing some non-scientific testing with games using this new Denuvo Anti-Tamper software. There seems to be a correlation between your Drive speed and performance. The faster your Hard Drive the greater CPU usage it seems resulting in a lower performance of games. The working theory is that the faster your drive is, the more often Denuvo does its encrypt and decrypt cycle as it takes less time to read/write.

 

So do not install DA:I on your SSD, throw it on your old hard drive and deal with the slower load times. Plus you may as take the precaution of not installing on a SSD as it might shortened its life span.

 

This is all speculation however, but performance has improved on a slower drive, so take it as it is.

 

I've done just this as a precaution.

[Jaron Oberyn]

Unlike the Mass Effect 3 "three color ending" complain threads that got locked one after another this "Denuvo" anti-piracy solution really damages consumers hardware, and it don't require any PR department in EA/BioWare to understand that such "threads" must be locked ASAP. What do you think will happen if hoards of consumers (especially in USA) will file claims regarding damaged hardware?

 

Denuvo is a masterpiece (just like Starforce was before) regarding "anti-piracy", but alas, just like with most "medications" some have nasty side effects. Since Denuvo actually damages consumers hardware, many big review sites will pick up on this, and before too long we'll have something EA/BioWare can't contain with "locked" threads (trust me on that).

The tinfoil hat must be wrapped too tightly around your head.

[NaurDragon]

This thread (and others) proves the fact that many people are fed up with DRM (what it represents and how it is implimented), and it is not stubid to realize that those have caused lot of harm. Because of this/these discussions there are now people talking about this and trying to figure/find out what denuvo is all about (stubid right ). Do I trust company that made it, made securom, blindly? Heck no. I don't trust any company blindly. The great part of being an customer is that I can decide to wait and buy the game when I have the information I need and I want so I can feel safe and satisfied with my purchase.

 

Piratism is a problem that hurts gaming industry, how you deal it matters. More and more people are realizing that end doesn't justify the means so DRM is not the best way to stop piratism. DRM follows same principle that some copyright laws: In modern civilized country everyone is treated guilty without chance to prove themselves innocent. Because of actions of few all are punished. I'm not okay with any of that and peoples rights on interned and outside matters to me.

 

For some people here are moronic but often those who are so hasty to accuse others being that, tell more about themselves.

 

I realize that Denuvo isn't SecuROM and personally I'm coming to a conclusion that it most likely isn't as harmful as some users have said. Still I'm glad that I didn't ignore their point of view totally and I still don't. At this moment I'm more likely to buy DAI with denuvo than I was yesterday.

[count_4]

I played the game for about 2.5-3 hours

SSD write  count increased from 720GB to 729GB. That's considering it is system drive with swap file on it

Well, since it is a system drive, this doesn't really say anything.

 

Unfortunately I didn't see this thread yesterday or I'd have checked the read/write values since I have the game installed on a dedicated gaming SSD. The only thing reading and writing is going to be Inquisition. 

 

Unless someone else posts some screenshots and numbers in this thread I'll do some proper checking on my next play session later today and post the results.

 

What has me wondering currently is why the Denuvo would even write to the disk the game is installed on. Does it change the encryption key and re-encrypt files on the fly? Otherwise there's no need to write data.

[Tookah45]

that's why you have 120GB drives instead of 128 ones

Not to get off topic, but that's incorrect. The reason you only have 120GB or whatever instead of what you paid for is because storage media is sold as 1000MB/GB which is just factually incorrect. It's 1024, which accounts for the "lost" space. It was never there to begin with, you're just being lied to by marketing teams and drive manufacturers.

[titoarc]

I have some performance problems, long load time for the exe, freezes sometimes in cutscenes (while de game fulli runing and asking for more resources but freezed),  some freezes to if you tray to alt+tab. I dont know if its something related to denubo, but tts quite suspicious. 

 

I hope it gets fixed soon or removed the denubo if its the one cousing this. (meibe when its craked and has no sense they update the game to remove it)

[count_4]

Not to get off topic, but that's incorrect. The reason you only have 120GB or whatever instead of what you paid for is because storage media is sold as 1000MB/GB which is just factually incorrect. It's 1024, which accounts for the "lost" space. It was never there to begin with, you're just being lied to by marketing teams and drive manufacturers.

Uh, no. What you're thinking of is 128GB drives that have 128,000,000,000,000 bytes of storage, which effectively are 119GB of actual storage. What he meant was that SSDs are actually sold as 120GB drives that have an actual storage of 111GB.

[Tookah45]

Uh, no. What you're thinking of is 128GB drives that have 128,000,000,000,000 bytes of storage, which effectively are 119GB of actual storage. What he meant was that SSDs are actually sold as 120GB drives that have an actual storage of 111GB.

Maybe I'm dumb because it's late, but how is that any different at all? You're making the same point. I have a 250GB SSD in my tower. The box says 250, the site I got it from says 250, the whole 9 yards. My computer says 232.

232/250 = .928

.928 * 120 = 111.36

 

Sold/paid for: 120

Actually received: 111

 

Edit for reference before I go to bed. I can't brain any more tonight.
http://www.howtogeek...wrong-capacity/

[count_4]

Maybe I'm dumb because it's late, but how is that any different at all? You're making the same point. I have a 250GB SSD in my tower. The box says 250, the site I got it from says 250, the whole 9 yards. My computer says 232.

232/250 = .928

.928 * 120 = 111.36

 

Sold/paid for: 120

Actually received: 111

 

His point was that SSDs use part of their storage as backup sectors which results in SSDs that have the same amount of storage as an HDD, say 119GB, being sold as 120GB drives instead of 128GB ones like the HDDs because part of that storage is internal backup.

[Efrim]

The speculative circle-jerking going on with this Denuvo tinfoil theory is ming-boggling.

[count_4]

The speculative circle-jerking going on with this Denuvo tinfoil theory is ming-boggling.

Honestly, I'd rather have a few people tinfoiling about a possibly intrusive anti-tamper software than my gaming SSD being worn down within a couple of months by some crappy software.

 

If it turns out to be nonsense, well, nobody got hurt. If it turns out to be an actual issue, thanks for the warning.

[helpthisguyplease]

 I noticed I have a SADA 2 hard disk so I have nor problem with the drm. But I have 2 minutes loading times do any of you have this problem?

[Astralify]

This is just evil. I'm not buying the game then. Oh well...

[neverko]

Denuvo going ultra write-happy on SSD/HD installs for no good reason sounds troublesome to me. Why would anyone think that this is ok behavior to force on paying customers?

 

The game will unlock for me in a couple of days (yay, stupid, staggered regional releases!) and this Denuvo business is quite concerning.

 

I would like Bioware/EA to respond here and give us their guarantee that nothing detrimental to our SSDs/HDs will happen as a result of Denuvo being used. Can you do that for us, Bioware/EA? You have absolute confidence in this thing you put in the game, right? So just confirm that it's absolutely safe for SSD users to have it running for 100+ hours.

 

Remember that you can't "EULA" your way out of harmful behavior in the EU. If this Denuvo thing is harmful, you're in big trouble.

[Chari]

Apparently DA:I uses 75-50% of my PC's CPU

Waaat?

[Fozee]

Again, these claims are totally unsubstantiated and all of the evidence provided (even evidence "proving it") has shown that the claims and concerns are not based on fact. The data provided on some Russian forum is not conclusive. Especially when the discussion over there is anti-Denuvo. Who's to say that person wasn't falsifying that data? They very likely did. 

You may have a thread discussing the performance impact of Denuvo when you can provide a link to a single respectable test.