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[Naughty Bear]

[quote name="Shaiapuddi" post="17774768" timestamp="1416188972"]It just seems like the kind of conundrum a mustache twirling supervillain would come up with to force moral angst in a situation where it really doesn't need to be. A false dichotomy basically.But if for whatever reason those were my only options. I suppose it depends on how many people are gonna die, who's gonna die, how many I have to kill to prevent said deaths, and whether I think probably going to prison is worth saving those people by killing those other people. Unless you want to introduce an immunity from personal consequences to make the choice less complicated.[/quote

Many people would die, depending on how people you want to save really. The more save the more you kill. But all each event that occur are tied down to one singular person who is indirectly responsible. And there always will be events happening. Just lyf.

[metatheurgist]

I'll use my ability to invest in stocks and live a comfortable life.

Snap. But I'd do the lottery first to get the resources to invest. Then I'd go to work for an intelligence organisation and manipulate them to do B. I don't mind if the kill count becomes excessive as long as it's mostly bad guys.

[Naughty Bear]

If you can't know the outcome then inaction is the best because you don't know what you're messing with.

Also, all murders have a motive, who is the say the "innocent" victim doesn't deserve it? If you can see into the future but not into the past then how can you decide who is innocent? Perhaps Paul the taxi driver is simply avenging his family for all you know...

You know the outcome if you let it happen and the person who did it. No motives, who did what, was it on purpose or accident and why.

[Seraphim24]

A because in B you are personally killing someone.

[Eternal Phoenix]

You know the outcome if you let it happen. No motives, who did what and why.

 
Then obviously not.
 
Without the information, you, yourself could efficiently be murdering in cold blood. Perhaps the other guy has your own power and is going out to stop the next Hitler, you see that and you kill him. Congrats, you've doomed millions of people. XD
 
The people you're killing could very well be vigilantees killing dangerous people, so by killing them, you're really killing innocent good people and furthering the cause of evil.

 

Without having information of the targets, are you really that different?

 

Perhaps you'll soon meet your own fate at the hands of one of the "seers" who sees you about to go out and kill one of these future killers and tracks you down and kills you before you can do anything...

 

Where does it end? XD

[TheClonesLegacy]

You know the outcome if you let it happen. No motives, who did what and why.

Who, What, and How is the words you're looking for. Since your powers tell you who the person is, and would have to give you some input to the act.

Just "knowing" isn't a good enough reason for anyone to kill.

Because the way you describe it you just get a feeling "Oh this guy will do bad stuff later. Not sure what or anything like that. I just know it'll be bad."

 

That's stupid. This whole thing is stupid.

[Naughty Bear]

Then obviously not.
 
Without the information, you, yourself could efficiently be murdering in cold blood. Perhaps the other guy has your own power and is going out to stop the next Hitler, you see that and you kill him. Congrats, you've doomed millions of people. XD

There is always someone up to shenanigans these days...

[Naughty Bear]

Who, What, and How is the words you're looking for. Since your powers tell you who the person is.

What the person did, Who the person is, and How it will affect others (killing them).

Yes it is, but you're in a morally grey situation where you don't know anything. Just the date, time, how many die and who causes it.

It's just take action or stand by and let it happen.

Joe doe the train driver overturns train, kills all 208 passengers on board at 11:20am on the 21st of February.

I guess this situation is a mix of mirai nikki and death note.

[Sigma Tauri]

killing is wrong

 

Not universally accepted. This premise is questioned. You have the gift of foresight.

 

Action: Kill the bastards. Live with the consequences. And invest in stocks and get rich.

 

Now, practice real judgment.

[TheClonesLegacy]

Yes it is, but you're in a morally grey situation where you don't know anything. Just the date, time, how many die and who causes it.

It's just take action or stand by and let it happen.

Joe doe the train driver overturns train, kills all 208 passengers on board at 11:20am on the 21st of February.

Bad example.

That sounds like a problem with the train more than user input.

No one has to die here. Just find a way to stall the trains, and find the problem with the train or tracks.

[Naughty Bear]

Bad example.
That sounds like a problem with the train more than user input.
No one has to die here. Just find a way to stall the trains, and find the problem with the train or tracks.

Bad example.
That sounds like a problem with the train more than user input.
No one has to die here. Just find a way to stall the trains, and find the problem with the train or tracks.

It is intended to be ambiguous, the man is the driver at the time of the accident,. The accident might not happen with other drivers, it just happens that this man is the driver on this date and time. Kill him and it might be another driver instead. Train crashes happen all the time. Killing him isn't going to stop train crashes for ever.

Just picture something similar to a death note or the future diary filled with many similar examples to what I gave you. You just decide to bump him off or not

[TheClonesLegacy]

It is intended to be ambiguous, the man is the driver at the time of the accident,. The accident might not happen with other drivers, it just happens that this man is the driver on this date and time. Kill him and it might be another driver instead. Train crashes happen all the time. Killing him isn't going to stop train crashes for ever.

Just picture something similar to a death note or the future diary filled with many similar examples to what I have you. You just decide to him off or not

Except I'm not an idiot like Yuki, or a sociopath like Light.

I try to have more information than that.

 

If my powers are nothing but ambiguous BS like that, then there's no point. None whatsoever, it's the lamest superpower in existence.

 

I won't do anything, and if you believe inaction is worse than Murder. Then I can only say, at least I didn't take a life for a flimsy, ambiguous reason only an idiot would try to justify.

[Naughty Bear]

Id have a mental breakdown. I can't kill. Never. I can't even be rude or not use manners. I won't be able cope with not being able to prevent so many deaths while having the ability to prevent it.

Anyway I'm just. Curious. I enjoyed this discussion and I hope I didn't annoy anyone. And I'm sorry if I did.

[Giant ambush beetle]

Minority Report anyone?

I don't see a problem with preventing hideous crimes before they happen if I would be absolutely certain that my visions come true.
Really, I'd lose no sleep whatsoever over killing homicidal scum a couple of weeks before they strike. Its not like those would-be-murderers are normal people until they suddenly snap, they most likely are mentally defunct individuals even before they plan on killing people.

[breakdown71289]

You are burdened with the ability to see or read events that will occur in the near future. 3 months max.

One event involves an innocents dying, however to prevent this, you need to kill those who will be responsible to prevent the event from happening.

A. You're aware of what's going to happen but killing is wrong, so you let the event take place and let life take it's course. But you will alter the future.

B. you decide to kill these certain individuals to save the innocents. However, these individuals now, are also innocent men and women, it's just later in life they will be responsible for the deaths. The future will change and another group of individuals will become a threat in the near future, so your kill count will keep climbing, eventually out numbering the lives you have saved.

 

C. You decide to save the innocents without killing the individuals intent on killing them. Further investigation into your ability reveals who gave you this ability and why. You decide to seek answers from this entity and find out that it is your future self trying to prevent your past self from killing in the first place. You give each other a high five, then go on to have a beer together.....or something.

 

[Sigma Tauri]

Anyway I'm just. Curious. I enjoyed this discussion and I hope I didn't annoy anyone. And I'm sorry if I did.

 

It's an annoying scenario though. It's a nonexistant hypothetical exercise on the morality of killing while establishing false dichotomy as the solution. You're asking the question, is it morally right to kill if it means saving others lives? Yet, you've added a complication - you're locked in a continuous cycle of killing. In the end, you've provided a vain non-solution: People will die. Not only that, you've provided only one solution of our actions - kill. That itself is false because you've provided no real logical reason that action other than killing will not solve the problem. So, here's a question: What's the point of answering your question?

[mybudgee]

OP asks a question about an ethical decision and then says "Let's not get too deep..."

Sounds legit

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

I'll use my ability to invest in stocks and live a comfortable life.

 

^ this

 and this:

I've always followed a simple rule.

 

- I am always morally right.

- They are always morally wrong.

 

Without knowing any more details I'd say action B is the right choice. Of course knowing the specific details can easily change that.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

Id have a mental breakdown. I can't kill. Never. I can't even be rude or not use manners. I won't be able cope with not being able to prevent so many deaths while having the ability to prevent it.

Anyway I'm just. Curious. I enjoyed this discussion and I hope I didn't annoy anyone. And I'm sorry if I did.

 

Someone give this man a gun before a bunch of barbarians who want to raze his house and kill his family arrive.

[The_Vernster]

Thread is inspired by Minority Report, I know it.

 

Personally.......I dont know what Id do tbh.....its a dilemma.