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[SatelliteMind]

Xunzi man

[BroBear Berbil]

I'm of the belief that people are more good than not. Society does have a large impact on the final outcome of a person however.

 

http://www.cbsnews.c...ip-in-elevator/

 

Speaking of human nature. People can sometimes manage to really repulse me.

 

I wouldn't intervene. That's not my business, I'm not some random woman's knight in shining armor, and there are myriad resources out there specifically for her to take control of her life and get out of that situation.

 

 

Here's another little experiment that seems to show that people are willing to come to a woman's defense.

 

Different story in a case where somebody is injured. Like that toddler in China who got run over and people just ignored her and kept running her over. Or another video out of China where a little boy is caught stealing and then a crowd corners him, slaps him around, and a man breaks his arm. It takes a severely sick society for people to behave like that.

[Dermain]

http://www.cbsnews.c...ip-in-elevator/

 

Speaking of human nature. People can sometimes manage to really repulse me.

 

Stay out of psychology then.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

Chomsky is a linguist not a psychologist.

 

Chomsky thinks he's like Descartes of the time!

[Dermain]

I don't think it's about leaving or staying, Dermain. I'm just saying that a lot of people on these forums portray some idealistic ideologies but they can't live up to their words. I, For once, Am not idealistic, But i stay true to my own thoughts no matter what.

 

My point is that we have tons of social psych studies that show this type of behavior.

 

 

Chomsky thinks he's like Descartes of the time!

 

He may have become more of a psycholinguist, but he still hasn't had any psychology training.

[Dermain]

I see your point, But one of my main beliefs is that even if there's only .1% fighting for something that i agree on, I'd back them. I'm curious to know though, Do you work as a psychologist?

 

Study.

 

Eventually grad school as well. 

 

Perhaps I'll turn into my avatar too!     

[TheBunz]

Nope. Being mean is for people who's life sucks.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

"Nope. Being mean is for people who's life sucks." - Bunz the wise

 

Noted.

[mybudgee]

Nope. Being mean is for people who's life sucks.

Which often causes said suckitude, leading to being an even bigger meanie

[Dovahzeymahlkey]

i think human nature is just that, nature. things like murder, cannibalism and rape are "natural" in nature. its the fact that we're human that gives us power OVER this nature is what makes us special. we choose not to do these things and we know they are bad. unlike animals who are only driven by natural instinct.

[bEVEsthda]

Question:

 

 

Do you think human beings are inherently vile, self seeking and malevolent? 

 

 

Fairly straightforward question really.

 

 

I think we are. Pretty much. I think human beings are, I guess you could say, the worst animal on the planet. And at the end of the day, we only do good things when we're forced to do them. Either for socioeconomic reasons or to save face. 

 

 

Thoughts???

 

 

*I know that my position is a bit cynical and despondent if not pessimistic, but there you have it*

 

Thoughts???

 

You must be very young.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

The frightening thing though is how quickly humanity can revert back to its "natural" state when the thin veneer of civilization is peeled away. We like to think ourselves evolved, but all of that can go out the window in a heartbeat in the face of war, famine, economic collapse, disease outbreaks, etc. Once critical infrastructure starts to fail, it's no holds barred. There are places in the world where this happens frequently. We're fortunate that we manage to hold it together for the most part here in "first world countries", where our problems are comparitively minor than those in, say, Syria or West Africa. But don't think for a second that it can't all fall apart here too. It has happened and can happen again if the wrong thing happens at the wrong time.

 

Just something to think about.

 

 

[Sigma Tauri]

Why is it hard to swallow?

 

Spoiler for religious content. Be warned. I'm not continuing the conversation, merely explaining myself.

 

Spoiler

The thought of man's first transgression against God, and God's foresight that the transgression will happen doesn't jive with me. God punishes man for his first son and yet still commands Adam and Eve not to partake in fruit of the the tree of knowledge. Thus, God knows that Adam and Eve will be banished from the Garden of Eden and still do nothing to stop man's fall from grace. This goes along with the problem of sin and free will. It contradicts with the all-mighty nature of God.

 

But, I'm sure theologians have already provided arguments.

[Dovahzeymahlkey]

Spoiler for religious content. Be warned. I'm not continuing the conversation, merely explaining myself.

 

Spoiler

The thought of man's first transgression against God, and God's foresight that the transgression will happen doesn't jive with me. God punishes man for his first son and yet still commands Adam and Eve not to partake in fruit of the the tree of knowledge. Thus, God knows that Adam and Eve will be banished from the Garden of Eden and still do nothing to stop man's fall from grace. This goes along with the problem of sin and free will. It contradicts with the all-mighty nature of God.

 

But, I'm sure theologians have already provided arguments.

youre right, theologians have already provided arguments. Instead of bringing that up, look what they have to say on the matter if it conflicts with you that much.

[Dermain]

I cannot tell you the darkness in my soul, birthed not of my own deeds or those who raised me, but inherent and intrinsic.

 

 

Why is it hard to swallow?

 

Edit: my favorite psychological experiment is the Stanford prision experiment.

 

It's unfortunate that most of it is entirely discredited because it was unethical. It teaches us a lot about people in power.

 

Of course, it was bad science since Zimbardo inserted himself into the experiment as the "prison warden" ruining his objectivity, but it shouldn't be discounted. I actually attended one of his talks where he talked about Milgram's study (also unfairly discredited due to being called unethical), his study, as well as his new project that's supposed to (hopefully) stop the bystander effect.

[Giant ambush beetle]

I follow a basic bit of logic that helps me sleep at night. Living things care first and foremost about their well being and survival. Human beings are living things, and they follow this bit of programming. Every human decides on what they feel like they need to survive (be it creativity, emotions, success, yadda yadda yadda...), and they act based on fulfilling these aspects of their survival. Therefore, selfishness is a trait that every living thing has, but it is rooted in survival.

 

This is not entirely true. Altruism, though very rare, does exist, people have sacrificed themselves for the greater good, in a scientific explanation they have sacrificed themselves to benefit the species as a whole. Soldiers have thrown themselves on grenades to save their comrades from the blast. 

 

People either care only about themselves or care about themselves AND their species. You should not condemn everyone. 

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

No one liked Hobbes? I'm disappointed in BSN.