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[tybert7]

I know this will be an unpopular opinion, but for starters, I don't pirate games so this does not affect me unless....

 

the drm causes performance issues or stability issues.  From everything I've read the impact is minimal to nonexistent from this technique.  I hope this drm is able to lock down the game for many many months to come.  It's not always online style drm, it seems incredible non invasive for people who actually buy the game.

 

The only group where it seems this will be an issue are the people who pirate games, and I don't care about them.  Some of them will throw tantrums until a portion of that population will actually buy the game directly.  This will increase sales, this will shore up the pc platform even more, turning it into the platform of choice for companies like bioware/EA.

 

The more money that is made from the PC, and the more secure EA/bioware can make their games from piracy, the more likely it is that the PC will be let in on special deals and perks like early access.

 

 

I think it sucks @$% that the ONLY way to get early access to the first part of the game right now is to have an xbox copy.  I want that provided for every platform, but ideally the PC.

 

 

The entire reason the pc had taken a back seat to consoles for so long was gaming companies seeing all the potential lost sales due to easy piracy, and if denuvo cuts into that, it makes the entire system for game devs healthier and more profitable, we all get more of the stuff we want.  It's a virtuous cycle to have effective anti piracy that does NOT meaningfully punish paying customers, and it sounds like that is exactly what denuvo is.

 

 

I just hope that crap never happens with tv shows, because I can't deal with commercials anymore.

 

nb4 hypocrite, but hey, everyone has some line

[Aurawolf]

Actually I have pirated games in the past, and generally speaking for those I know who do it and myself we usually ended up buying the game if we like it. I do understand the need for companies to protect their product the biggest problem is when they put DRM on that effects your computer in ways they have no right to such as scanning your software and sending in a report or gathering information on you and what you do with your computer.

 

As far as the release schedule goes for DAI, this is what Microsoft gets for spending money with EA. In all honesty they needed it because of the lack of exclusive titles they need something to give people as incentive to get the Xbox One. Besides in a little over a day it won't matter.

[CIA]

Actually I have pirated games in the past, and generally speaking for those I know who do it and myself we usually ended up buying the game if we like it. I do understand the need for companies to protect their product the biggest problem is when they put DRM on that effects your computer in ways they have no right to such as scanning your software and sending in a report or gathering information on you and what you do with your computer.
 
As far as the release schedule goes for DAI, this is what Microsoft gets for spending money with EA. In all honesty they needed it because of the lack of exclusive titles they need something to give people as incentive to get the Xbox One. Besides in a little over a day it won't matter.

The only time I pirate is if it's more convenient for me to pay for the game then pirate it to play it. Ubisoft DRM in the past has forced me to buy it on their shitty Steam-wannabe service then pirate it to play it without the DRM.

The developers deserve the money for their hard work, no matter what software they've got slammed on top

[Quaddis]

The only time I pirate is if it's more convenient for me to pay for the game then pirate it to play it. Ubisoft DRM in the past has forced me to buy it on their shitty Steam-wannabe service then pirate it to play it without the DRM.

The developers deserve the money for their hard work, no matter what software they've got slammed on top

Naaa...not touching anything from Ubisoft, got burned twice(AC2 and Splinter Cell: Blacklist) when i first couldn't play and on top of that i lost my save files once, and best thing is, i didn't buy both games on release date, and still they had "server unexpected issue"-s, or something like that.

[Kantr]

I've only paid for one game I've pirated. The rest of the about 5) games I've pirated I've not gone and paid for later.

 

I dont bother to pirate now. I just wait for steam sales and buy them cheaply.

 

Steam Library of 107 games.

[Vapaa]

Can't remember the last game I've pirated, must've been in the late 90's 'cause then I switched to console...and by the time I switched back to PC, Steam sales had become a thing, as well as Humble bundles.

[cane]

I have 400 games on steam and could care less about pirates. I don't need any intrusive DRM in my games that will sooner or later be cracked anyway.

 

Why should honest paying customers be punished just to stop a few cheapskates?

[Semipro]

The PC took a backseat to consoles in a very limited view of how things have actually gone in the industry since the advent of personal computing.

 

Consoles have had variable strong and weak periods, the current generation is a weak period, with only one really dominant console at all.

 

Previous generation was fairly strong but PC gaming was not given a "back seat" to it, but more games that would have been designed for PC's before the PS3 and Xbox 360 were designed for those platforms because it was literally the first time a home console could reliably run games that would be more suited to PC's, Microsoft and Sony trotted out the lawyers, and the exclusivity contracts and...voila, the illusion of console dominance was created.

 

That notwithstanding, those exclusivity contracts did not stop most of those games making their way to the PC and ending up still being about 100 times better on the PC due to high resolution texture packages, modding capabilities and a whole slew of other little benefits that come along with PC gaming (like not having the NSA stare at you through your Kinect for 2 - 6 hours a day for example).

 

Simple facts are, DRM is DRM and if the industry feels its a necessity to maintain profits....thats really their call, I don't much care about DRM one way or another unless it has a distinct potential to compromise my privacy or somehow invades on my ability to utilize the software I bought.

 

I haven't pirated a game since games were on 3.5 inch floppy disks and even then that was more shareware than pirating, my Steam library is ridiculous.

 

My Xbox 360 hasn't been turned on since the last time I used it to binge watch House of Cards on Netflix....which has been quite awhile.

 

There never has been a domination of the gaming market by consoles, unless we go well back into antiquity and talk about the rise of the Nintendo Home Entertainment System, which had a rather huge edge on personal computing at the time. But any "console dominance" since then has more or less been manufactured by people who's jobs revolve around making other people think the console market is dominant, and achieving said illusion of dominance by any means of propaganda....oh I'm sorry I mean marketing, necessary, up to and including exclusivity contracts, lawyers and lots of money changing hands in a closed room somewhere where people don't much care what you play a game on as long as you pay for it.

 

Anyways, DRM...whatever, don't much care, doesn't affect me.

[zeypher]

If DRM hampers my performance then piracy is the only option. In the past ubisofts crazy drm on warrior within caused me a ton of grief. Look in then end if you are going to treat and label me as a thief then i figure why the hell not. 

 

But generally ubisoft games i had to pirate even after buying them cause getting them to work without hassle is a bloody nightmare. These days i just stopped bothering with their games all together. If the denovo thing is going to suck as much performance and give me as much grief then i will stop bothering with games that have it.

 

Inquisition will be my first try with this DRM so lets see how it goes.

[KoorahUK]

I thought BioWare said this was implemented to stop people hacking the executable for multiplayer cheats. It is alledgedly nothing to do with DRM as Origin handles DRM?

[zeypher]

Lets hope it is true. If its to prevent MP hacking i do not mind but that still does not make sense. MP in this game is not competitive and is not PVP. SO again the reason for it seems flimsy at best.

[Simsimillia]

I wonder why companies even bother with DRM. From what I hear, the game is already cracked. Stop wasting money on DRM! You only hit your paying customers with it!

[KoorahUK]

Its not competitive no, but that doesn't mean its not open to abuse by no-life griefers. In addition, if you hacked the game to give you a hundred bazillion gold coins, and sold that on it could impact BioWare's revenue stream which keeps the MP portion free for those of us that don't intend to spend a penny playing it. 

For that reason alone, I support its use UNLESS  the negative effects of its use can be verified by reputable sources and repeated by other reputable sources. 

You know, actual verifiable repeatable proof from more than one source whose findings are not just blindly accepted.

[Almostfaceman]

I wonder why companies even bother with DRM. From what I hear, the game is already cracked. Stop wasting money on DRM! You only hit your paying customers with it!

 

Nope, the game is not already cracked. 

[Selea]

The problem is that, also if it will take a while the first time, Denuvo will be cracked sooner or later (SecuRom also took a while to crack the first time) and from that point on all the titles with it will be cracked in no time as usually. This means that later on if Denuvo has some "shady" thing going on in the background (as it happened with SecuRom) then the only ones to suffer will be legit users.

I hope that Denuvo is not found as shady as SecuRom was but only time will tell for sure.

[Milan92]

I thought BioWare said this was implemented to stop people hacking the executable for multiplayer cheats. It is alledgedly nothing to do with DRM as Origin handles DRM?

 

FIFA 15 has Denuvo as well, but people still managed to make trainers for it.

 

Now they probably don't work for MP, but still.

[Sidian]

I thought BioWare said this was implemented to stop people hacking the executable for multiplayer cheats. It is alledgedly nothing to do with DRM as Origin handles DRM?

It also protects Origin, thus making it "uncrackable" for weeks to months - or even years. People often refer to everything that interfere with the development of cracks as DRM.

[shadebreak]

I thought BioWare said this was implemented to stop people hacking the executable for multiplayer cheats. It is alledgedly nothing to do with DRM as Origin handles DRM?

Lords of the Fallen which doesn't have multiplayer also uses denuvo. Most steam games are contented with just steam drm for protection, so denuvo was obviously added to deter piracy.

[Umbar]

In my experience, there are generally three kinds of pirates. Pirates who don't want to buy games blind and use piracy to test the waters so to speak, pirates who can't afford the game and would never buy it in the first place and pirates who can afford the game, but don't want to buy. Those 'potential lost sales' are only the third group and they are generally the smallest group of pirates. So that particular argument always irritates me. Protect your product, absolutely, but don't pretend that piracy affects sales to any meaningful degree. Those who can afford and want to buy the game, they'll do so anyway. Those who can't afford it or don't want to buy the game, won't. DRM doesn't change things one way or the other, as far as revenue/sales is concerned. 

 

All that said, MP requires protection against hacking. As long as this Denuvo isn't secretly rootkit, I don't really care. Of course, if this India ban thing becomes too strict, I don't know what I'll do...

[Fozee]

There's always that sentiment that EA doesn't care about us. In the case of Denuvo being secretly shady, that is in fact the case. EA doesn't care about the contents of your hard drive nearly enough to do something like that. What it does care about is cutting back piracy a little bit. I'm just glad they've decided to do this instead of doing what Rockstar and Ubisoft have done, which is delaying the PC version by months or years. 

[Sidian]

pirates who can afford the game, but don't want to buy. Those 'potential lost sales' are only the third group and they are generally the smallest group of pirates.

And you get your numbers from...?

As soon as a crack is released, sales drop by 50-70% - the later, the less the sudden drop. That is not the "smallest group" of "potential lost sales", it's the biggest.

 

"Piracy does not affect sales to any meaningful degree" is a fairy tale, mostly made by "pirates" as an excuse. Numbers state otherwise, and companies would not pump tons of money in DRM (and DRM protection) if that wasn't worth the money.

[Simsimillia]

And you get your numbers from...?

As soon as a crack is released, sales drop by 50-70% - the later, the less the sudden drop. That is not the "smallest group" of "potential lost sales", it's the biggest.

 

"Piracy does not affect sales to any meaningful degree" is a fairy tale, mostly made by "pirates" as an excuse. Numbers state otherwise, and companies would not pump tons of money in DRM (and DRM protection) if that wasn't worth the money.

 

That's funny, you point out that someones claim lacks a source and in the next line you state some numbers of your own without source. 

[willnz]

As long as the DRM isn't intrusive or a performance hog, its inclusion (in my opinion) can only be a good thing. As others have mentioned, the longer a good game goes without a crack, the more it will sell. The more the game sells, the more publishers will try and provide games of similar quality. It can also be argued that, due to piracy, the PC market is not as profitable for developers/publishers than say consoles for instance (where piracy is significantly reduced).  This lack of profitability is part of the reason PC gamers tend to get shafted on many releases and I don't believe this will change until piracy is reduced.

 

This Denuvo DRM seems a good progression for me (SecuRom did everything wrong), I only found out my PC's FIFA15 uses it when I read another thread today and that game has been running fantastically on my laptop with no technical or intrusive problems .

 

To those that argue that they pirate to try the game and buy it later, I feel that is a noble thing to do but I cannot help but suspect the majority do not end up buying even if they enjoy it.

[Upinurmomshole]

Actually I have pirated games in the past, and generally speaking for those I know who do it and myself we usually ended up buying the game if we like it.

i call BS on that. you can go to any game forum and the same cheap scumbags who pirate **** all say the same thing "i liked it so much after stealing the game that i decided to buy it" give me a fuckin break. you know you didn't go back and pay for anything

[Zippy72]

In principle I agree with the OP, but I'm slightly nervous that the Denuvo code will be another Securom or Rootkit travesty. Their trackrecord is.. lawsuit bad.