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[daveliam]

I love the Dalish and i am so so so so glad that the Elven Inquisitor is Dalish. However, I don't understand why they gave us to companions who seem to dislike the Dalish?

 

Solas thinks they're hostile and Sera dislikes them saying they shouldn't cling to the past, even ''hoping you're not too elfy'' when you meet her.

 

I don't mind, since i wanted to play Dalish anyway, but doesn't this suck for players who might've wanted to play a city elf for example, that Sera would have most likely loved?

 

I dunno i guess i'm kinds bothered too since we don't have a strong defender of Dalish customs in the party like we did in DA2 xd

 

Well, I think that you are the strong defender of Dalish customs.  We've had six elf party members in the main games (and Awakenings, since it's an expansion and not a DLC).

 

In DA: O, you could be dalish or city elf and had Zevran, a city elf.

In DA: A, you were either dalish or city elf OR an Orlesian Warden and you had Velanna, a dalish elf.

In DA 2, you were human and had both Fenris, city elf, and Merrill, dalish elf

In DA: I, you are a dalish and both Sera (city elf) and Solas (apostate - was he a city elf?)

 

So it's creating an interesting dynamic.  Each game has different combinations of cultures.

[Medhia_Nox]

@StreetMagic:  Actually - I think it's going to come from Tevinter or the dwarves.

 

Gaider made a very interesting comment about the elves a few days ago when asked where he wanted to go with DA.  He said:  "...we can explore what happened to the elves because nobody has a real idea about them."   I am very much paraphrasing - but what he said made it seem clear that the Codexes were not very true.

 

They are the two groups with the greatest historical records in Thedas.  The Shaperate actually being the better of the two.

 

I think what happened to the elves could be discovered in the Shaperate of Kal Sharok (it seems the older of the two existing Thaigs).

[LobselVith8]

And yet the Dalish has absolutely no interest in learning or teaching anything with anyone not already in their clan. They won't even communicate properly with other Dalish tribes, let alone city elves or other species. The Masked Empire kind of said it best, they'd rather ignore what's happening around them and think only of the past.

The single clan in "The Masked Empire" was atypical of most Dalish, given the Dalish prohibition against using magic that involves spirits (per WoT), and how other clans have helped elves they ran across (like Lanaya, Aneirin, the Circle mage who Ariane mentions). However, the Dalish are criminals because the Chantry outlawed their religion and culture, so they tend to avoid Andrastian society.

[jellobell]

I love the Dalish and i am so so so so glad that the Elven Inquisitor is Dalish. However, I don't understand why they gave us to companions who seem to dislike the Dalish?

 

Solas thinks they're hostile and Sera dislikes them saying they shouldn't cling to the past, even ''hoping you're not too elfy'' when you meet her.

 

I don't mind, since i wanted to play Dalish anyway, but doesn't this suck for players who might've wanted to play a city elf for example, that Sera would have most likely loved?

 

I dunno i guess i'm kinds bothered too since we don't have a strong defender of Dalish customs in the party like we did in DA2 xd

I think this is actually really interesting with regards to character dynamics.

 

Solas dislikes the Dalish for their close-mindedness and rejection of city elves (implied that he's had bad run-ins with Dalish in the past). Sera doesn't really care about the Dalish search for their past because she's forward-thinking and pragmatic. And my Dalish Inquisitor, while being a proud Dalish, is gradually going to be getting a wider perspective on the world than she had back when she was with her clan.

 

This is going to make for some fascinating discussions. You don't necessarily need to agree with your companions all the time. Even if you're a proud Dalish, Solas will respect you if you don't dismiss different perspectives outright and keep an open mind. He does say that he thinks highly of the Lavellan clan for remaining up-to-date on human affairs and sending someone to scout out the Conclave.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Bioware gave us a Dalish protagonist instead of a city elf for a reason.

[LOLandStuff]

@Medhia_Nox

 

The Dalish being anything but perfect? That's plasphemy!

[Karach_Blade]

My Dalish rogue will be happy to discuss matters of the People with Solas. The isolationism has always concerned him, to be honest. I hope we'll have opportunities to be reasonable Dalish who are sympathetic to the plight of city elves, and understand that the two have branched into very different splinter groups - but without being snobbish. The Masked Empire Dalish clan made me nervous about this.

[Mistic]

This is going to make for some fascinating discussions. You don't necessarily need to agree with your companions all the time. Even if you're a proud Dalish, Solas will respect you if you don't dismiss different perspectives outright and keep an open mind. He does say that he thinks highly of the Lavellan clan for remaining up-to-date on human affairs and sending someone to scout out the Conclave.

 

Reminds me of the videos I've seen with Iron Bull and a Qunari Inquisitor discussing the Qun and Tal-Vashoth.

 

Nevertheless, it's also another confirmation that open-mindedness is not a trait usually associated with the Dalish, not even in universe. Good to know that the Lavellan are weird in that regard.

[TK514]

@Medhia Nox

 

I have no particular attachement to the Dalish specifically, but at the moment, they are the only lifeline to any lore on Arlathan elves. That's who I actually care about. And no matter how "codified" you perceive Dalish self-destruction, the lore on Arlathan won't go away anytime soon. It's a mystery to be explored sooner or later. Like many other mysteries of the DA universe.

 

And the City Elves aren't the ones to trigger it. I like them, but they veer from careless to ignorant. No, this lore will either come from Dalish angles or magic ones (or perhaps random discoveries like Hawke's expedition).

 

Currently, I'd say that a group of City Elves have the best opportunity in the last 700 years to discover more about Arlathan, given that they using an Arlathan installation of unknown size, joined by mystic gates, as their primary bargaining chip and method of transportation.  Who knows what artifacts they could find hidden in otherwise unreachable caverns using the Elluvian network?

 

Of course, I doubt they will, since they are rightly more concerned about present day than a kingdom that died and ceased to be relevant thousands of years ago.

[LobselVith8]

Reminds me of the videos I've seen with Iron Bull and a Qunari Inquisitor discussing the Qun and Tal-Vashoth.

Nevertheless, it's also another confirmation that open-mindedness is not a trait usually associated with the Dalish, not even in universe. Good to know that the Lavellan are weird in that regard.

Good to know the opinion of one character is a statement of fact.

[waitwhat]

I agree they need to change, but I don't know why you need to be so impatient about it. It's part of the fun of this universe.. how it's a work in progress and different factions have much to work on. It'd suck if everything already worked well. Why even play the games if that was the case?

 

Oh, come on, you can't pull "it's a game" on me. You're talking about respecting elves and their ancient history, to tell me "well it's a game so they can't be perfect" when I bring up their major glaring flaws is a cop-out, because if we're working on that level I can just say "it's a game, fictional characters don't need respect". It's much more fun to discuss and debate these things within the terms of the fictional world, not our own.

[Mistic]

Good to know the opinion of one character is a statement of fact.

 

Fortunately, it isn't the case

 

First, "a trait associated with the Dalish" is not even a statement of fact. It's a statement of opinion. Out universe, we know the opinions of some people (sigh), but it's also an opinion that exists in universe.

 

Second, about who has that opinion, well, sorry, but no one can say that it's just one person: Tamlen, the Dalish guards in both games, Genitivi, Fenris, Varric, Zathrian, Sarel, Velanna, Felassan and the whole Varnhen clan will mention or will play scenes about Dalish in general not having a good opinion of outsiders. That they might have reasons for that and that there are examples with other Dalish having a different behaviour doesn't stop that stereotype from existing. If that sterotype is truthful or not, that's a matter of discussion. But that the stereotype exists, and not just among Bioware fans? Sorry, but that's undeniable.

 

(Hell, sterotypes about countries and groups of people exist in real life, and are rarely positive).

[LobselVith8]

Fortunately, it isn't the case

 

First, "a trait associated with the Dalish" is not even a statement of fact. It's a statement of opinion. Out universe, we know the opinions of some people (sigh), but it's also an opinion that exists in universe.

 

Second, about who has that opinion, well, sorry, but no one can say that it's just one person: Tamlen, the Dalish guards in both games, Genitivi, Fenris, Varric, Zathrian, Sarel, Velanna, Felassan and the whole Varnhen clan will mention or will play scenes about Dalish in general not having a good opinion of outsiders. That they might have reasons for that and that there are examples with other Dalish having a different behaviour doesn't stop that stereotype from existing. If that sterotype is truthful or not, that's a matter of discussion. But that the stereotype exists, and not just among Bioware fans? Sorry, but that's undeniable.

 

(Hell, sterotypes about countries and groups of people exist in real life, and are rarely positive).

 

Being apprehensive about outsiders when your religion makes you a criminal in Andrastian lands, and your mages are hunted by templars, is a different matter than being open-minded.

[Master Warder Z_]

is a different matter than being open-minded.

 

It really isn't.

 

Because nine times out of ten those two subjects aren't even relevant to the people in question.

[Swoopdogg]

as long as you're nice to them I doubt it will take long for them to warm up to you

[Dean_the_Young]

Well, Bioware knows of our desires. We'll see what's done with them in DAI.

You realize your desires are frequently in the minority, right?