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Canonized ME3 ending choice versus "Ark Theory" versus anything else: The ongoing debate continues ITT!


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JeffZero

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A canonized ending... would it unravel what the original trilogy stood to represent? Or is it the best possible foot going forward?

 

Ark Theory... would it take away from the spirit of what fans have come to love? Or is it the ideal fresh start the series needs?

 

Frankfurters... is calling them "hot dogs" troubling terminology for Man's Best Friend? Or do domesticated canines not recognize the phrase and what it potentially represents?

 

Continue the twitter-spawned off-topic NME premise discussion here, my lovelies, so as to avoid the unstickying of the most excellent twitter thread.


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The Ark Theory is just a hunch.

 

But I hope BIoWare does state the canon ending and in-directly responds for the events of ME3 in the newest game.

 

If you ask me - we're gonna end up with a ME game that has nothing to do with any of the current popular speculative stories/plotlines.



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IMO we will simply have a part of the galaxy unaffected by the Crucible wave for some reason and have places from the trilogy locked away. We may get some mentions of the Reaper War via advertisements or extranet. 

The endings have one thing in common - there will be groups not fine with Shepard's choice. Having such groups implemented can be a nice touch



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Control leaves the Reapers hanging around in the background.

Synthesis removes the differences between races as they are all nice and fluffy and understanding now

So really it should be Destroy as it removes these tow rather large hangups.

 

Other choices like the Geth, Rachni etc can be determined as Bioware see fit. Sure there will be people upset but to be honest, people on this forum will be upset no matter what they choose to do.

So personally if I was Bioware I'd just choose what they want and roll with it. It'll sell by the truck load regardless.


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Well, I think ME4 will either be (from least likely to most likely):

1. A sequel to ME3 that takes into account all of the player's major choices,

2.An ME3 sequel that has a canonised  ending (probably destroy),

3.an ME3 sequel set so far into the future (say, 50,000 years) that none of the choices really matter (all endings 'merge' due to events occurring between ME3 and ME4) and lastly and most likely in my opinion

4. an 'ark theory' setting or something like it, where some of the original trilogy's races go to a new galaxy/part of the galaxy where they are 'isolated' from the original trilogy's events. 

I'll be interested to see which one of these is closest when we get some new info. 



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I don't have any predictions as far as what/where NME could possibly lead, but I still believe that if there is to be a tie to the original trilogy, the clone will be involved. Sounds crazy (dumb whatever) but rule of media, if they don't blatantly show the character dying or outright say they are dead, they can be used as a plot device later (see One Piece)

Initially I thought that the conversation between Shepard and EDI about 1+1=3 was placed intentionally in the game as kind of a "fail safe" in case they needed something to fall back on, "See we said it right here, so it shouldn't be a surprise that we went this route" they could claim. But with the way the concept photos are shaping up and lack of details, I just don't know anymore.

Anywho, Ark Theory...meh. I mean it works, and if it continues the ME universe in a cohesive and enjoyable fashion, I'm alright with it or whatever BW cooks up really.

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In my opinion people are making too big a fuzz about the endings when it comes to thinking forward for the Mass Effect franchise. Sure you could think of different conflicts in the future after every one of the endings and I would be fine with different games showing us these conflicts after each ending (at least I can think of interesting continuations after the destroy and the control ending).

 

But, I doubt this will happen in ME next, because Bioware has indicated that the next Mass Effect game won't have much to do with the storyline of the trilogy. Yannick Roy's "think of the trilogy as World War I" comes to mind. The original quote:

 

 

Yannick Roy: ...If you had three games centered around a group of key soldiers in the US army during World War I and then decided to make a game about another group of people during the second World War, the games could have many points in common and feel true to one another, and you likely would have to recognize how the events of the first war influenced the ones of the second, but you would not necessarily think of it as a sequel. Again, the analogy is not great, but what I’m trying to say is that the ME universe is so rich that we are not limited to a single track when coming up with a new story. ...

 

Ok, so now how do we get from the ending of the trilogy to a conflict in the future, that is the same after each colored ending? With a "painting" of the starting position:

1) Reapers are gone - one way or another.

2) Geth and Quarian don't play a major role - because of divergent outcomes.

3) Krogan genophage is not a major plot point of the next installment.

4) Survivors in control and destroy are like they were before. In synthesis (if the writers really want to include this ending) the survivors may have new powers, because of "half man, half amazing" - you know? That's the plus, while the downside might be green eyes...  :P

5) A new threat arises. Because two new races are entering the picture as far as we know, this major conflict seems to be with at least one of those two and not between the existing known ones. What kind of conflict? Could be everything: from a new militant race entering the picture because the Reapers are now gone, to the council races discovering a new militant race on the search for supplies for the rebuild, just to name a few examples.

 

The ark theory - as I wrote in another thread - just delays the dealing with the endings. But I doubt this theory as the starting point for the next ME, because I think the concept art suggests otherwise. The "citadel-replacement"-hub for example doesn't make much sense on an ark mission.

 

Discovering unknown races doesn't make much sense in the past, so I think the writers are going forward. The return of the Mako suggests that we are not going fast forward for a thousand years, but rather a short time span. BTW: this makes sense in the aftermath of the ME3 endings, because the biggest possible story differences might come up after a long time (i.e. Reapers returning to be a threat in control?, a new organic vs. synthetic conflict in destroy?) and not in the immediate future.

 

To sum it up: I don't think it will be much of a problem to come up with an interesting story after ME3s endings while keeping "your choices" intact.



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What im hoping for, is that MEN is set in a part of the galaxy that was cut off from the reaper invasion, & it was cut off by the allies themselves adopting a scorched earth policy, as the allies retreated thru various relays they detonated them as they went, destroying their host systems & the reaper forces in them, & more importantly severing the relay network that allows the transmission of the citadels RGB wave.

 

That would have the obvious benefit of preserving all the races including the Geth if that was the choice you made, it would also allow BW to set MEN concurrent with the events of ME3 if that's what they wish, now, if they take their time with MEN & get it right, that should & would set them up quite nicely for a new series set in the ME universe, it would also allow them the time & space to deal with the issue of ME3's ending, because at the moment there's a lot of pressure to deal with ME3's ending right now, which they really don't have to do if they use their brains.



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I was going to post this into the Next ME twitter thread, but Barret Said the Word...

 

If you folks played KotOR, how did you feel about Revan's story being cannonized, and the Exile's too?? Because, see, we were given options in the endings...

 

Of course, it could work just like ME2, in the shuttle where you say who is the current Human Councilor and/or that Conversation with Atton in KotOR 2, that defined the Fate of the Galaxy.


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I don't like either option.  I think ME3 should just be ignored.  Dump the Shepard baggage and start MENext with a clean slate.


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I don't like either option.  I think ME3 should just be ignored.  Dump the Shepard baggage and start MENext with a clean slate.

 

Actually, I think they should just make ME3 over again and do it right.  But that's just me.


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Hey, I love ME3, but if they were gonna re-release it with plenty more even-stronger content then I would say sign me up. But of course it ain't happenin'.
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AU and be done with it, I say....


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I just want something that feels like a new begining, unbound by the original trilogy. The Ark Theoryas I see it doesn't accomplish that. 



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I just feel like canonizing an ending or homogenizing all the endings until the result is the same is a terrible way to get a clean slate to start with.

 

I'm in favor of Ark Theory because it fits with what we've heard about the "new space" setting and not being involved with the trilogy's plotlines, and most importantly is keeps the ending controversy at arm's length.  No need to poke that hornet's nest and there isn't any more closure required than what was in the epilogue slides.  Its a fresh start that avoids ME:Next becoming ME:Trilogy Damage Control.  A new story.



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Time travel works best I think.



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I just feel like canonizing an ending or homogenizing all the endings until the result is the same is a terrible way to get a clean slate to start with.

 

I'm in favor of Ark Theory because it fits with what we've heard about the "new space" setting and not being involved with the trilogy's plotlines, and most importantly is keeps the ending controversy at arm's length.  No need to poke that hornet's nest and there isn't any more closure required than what was in the epilogue slides.  Its a fresh start that avoids ME:Next becoming ME:Trilogy Damage Control.  A new story.

Except the endings affect the entire galaxy.  And technology in teh ME universe doeesn't allow for intergalactic travel.  Even teh reapers don't do that.



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nitially I thought that the conversation between Shepard and EDI about 1+1=3 was placed intentionally in the game as kind of a "fail safe" in case they needed something to fall back on, 

What conversation was this?



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And technology in teh ME universe doeesn't allow for intergalactic travel.  Even teh reapers don't do that.

 

As we speak, a viable method of intergalactic travel is in development at the Alliance Space Magic Institute. 


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A canonized ending... would it unravel what the original trilogy stood to represent? Or is it the best possible foot going forward?

 

Ark Theory... would it take away from the spirit of what fans have come to love? Or is it the ideal fresh start the series needs?

 

Frankfurters... is calling them "hot dogs" troubling terminology for Man's Best Friend? Or do domesticated canines not recognize the phrase and what it potentially represents?

 

Continue the twitter-spawned off-topic NME premise discussion here, my lovelies, so as to avoid the unstickying of the most excellent twitter thread.

 

ME3 unravelled the trilogy as far as it was intended by its original writers.  Also consider who we are dealing with - Mac will make what he wants canon.  Choose Anderson?  Good, you get Udina.  Kill the Rachni queen?  Good, you get her back anyways.  Kill Balak in ME1?  Well, he's back to life on the citadel.

 

I'm not sure how the writers are going to get around what I consider the trainwreck of the trilogy.  So far as I can tell, I don't like Ark or canon.  I guess we will see in due time.  



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Actually, I think they should just make ME3 ME2 over again and do it right.  But that's just me.

 

Fixed. 


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Except the endings affect the entire galaxy.


If a Mass Relay is deactivated or out of commission, would it still transmit the crucible beam? As we saw from the endings, it must jump from relay to relay in order to affect the galaxy. We know there is plenty of unknown space and unactiveted relays thanks to Citadel laws. Send an ark deep enough in uncharted and isolated space and they won't feel the impact of the endings.

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 Also consider who we are dealing with - Mac will make what he wants canon.  Choose Anderson?  Good, you get Udina.

 

That was actually done by Drew Karpyshyn in the novels. 


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In my opinion people are making too big a fuzz about the endings

Yes, and that is the very reason BW won't touch that matter anymore.



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I just want something that feels like a new begining, unbound by the original trilogy. The Ark Theoryas I see it doesn't accomplish that. 

Why is that?  The ark theory sends the participants out of the galaxy, the galaxy is the thing affected by the choices in the previous game.  Once the ark is out there it is not bound by anything from the previous story.