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[shingara]

Well the only thing i can ever think of that bioware could do as a compromise is to blend all endings from 3 but alot more sutle then portrayed. So we have the melding but not as shown, what the melding actualy would become is a new hybrid race, probably sprung from the geth getting in the suits, some become one with the quarians who accepted them into the suits fully and stayed as such, yet still some geth and quarians are seperate entitys still. A race in lore already exists for such a species so it has backing, and if i remember right there name was the zha'til.

 

 

 We know even in destroy not all tech based on reapers is destroyed, main standing point is the citidel still works, our ships computers and tech still works. With all of it being reversed engineered from reaper tech means that as our stuff still works, some reaper tech can still work, and we arnt forced to have seen them all.

 

 For the control ending, well here is the hook, leviathans are still out there, they can directly control reaper tech. So what we see as shepard controlling could infact be the leviathans doing it to help rebuild. Drews theory on dark energy could still hold true no matter where we go in the future and the ultimate ending sheppard can survive. So even if we dont play them again they could form a basis for the structure of the story going forward from the info they retained from the beacon and also from what javik could possibly teach to spring us further into the galaxy.

 

 

 Its all spit balling but at the end of the day, bioware are gonna have to pull something off along these lines to set anything in the future and not ultimatly peeved off 2/3 of the playerbase. Added to this, depending on what they finaly say is going to happen and where we go from could alienate a good portion of the mass effect fanbase to the degree they will not even buy the next game which will severly damage there profits and possibly make another mass effect game after this not ever go into production.

[DextroDNA]

I still believe they are going to find a way to mix elements from the endings to create a canon starting point for the next Mass Effect. I think it's better than having a Control/Destroy/Synthesis only canon.

I think that would be a good idea, but Synthesis kind of throws a spanner in the works there. The whole concept of Synthesis is so drastic and extreme I don't see how they could incorporate it at all. If they were do canonise any kind of ending from ME3, mixing endings or not, Synthesis should not be a part of it.

[lastpawn]

I'm no good at keeping up with things, so perhaps someone could be kind enough to answer... Did the developers in any way hint at the "Ark Theory" or is this a fan invention?

[lastpawn]

I think that would be a good idea, but Synthesis kind of throws a spanner in the works there. The whole concept of Synthesis is so drastic and extreme I don't see how they could incorporate it at all. If they were do canonise any kind of ending from ME3, mixing endings or not, Synthesis should not be a part of it.

 

The main problem with Synthesis, in terms of including it in the next game, is that they would have to go out of their way to explain what in the hell Synthesis actually did.

 

What does it actually mean for synthetics and organics to be synthesized? Are all forms of organic life now also synthetic (whatever that means)?

 

Why couldn't someone build a new synthetic life form -- would that new synthetic now automatically be organic? If no, then we have the "cycle" yet again and Synthesis did nothing. If yes, doesn't that mean that all material in the world is now organic? Like metals and rocks and stuff are also organic? What does it mean that metals are now organic?

 

And so on. To make it worse, because many players chose something other than Synthesis, writers would have to do all this work only for some subgroup of all players.

[Vazgen]

I'm no good at keeping up with things, so perhaps someone could be kind enough to answer... Did the developers in any way hint at the "Ark Theory" or is this a fan invention?

Fan invention. Based on a tweet showing new shirts for the team 

[lastpawn]

Fan invention. Based on a tweet showing new shirts for the team 

 

Well, based on that picture, that seems like a reasonable fan invention. Don't think I like it but they I also can't imagine how they'll write themselves out of the corner that is ME3's endings.

[Vazgen]

Well, based on that picture, that seems like a reasonable fan invention. Don't think I like it but they I also can't imagine how they'll write themselves out of the corner that is ME3's endings.

It is A.R.K.C.O.N though, not ARK-CON. Everything can happen, addressing ME3 endings is easy, we'll have to see what they'll choose.

[lastpawn]

It is A.R.K.C.O.N though, not ARK-CON. Everything can happen, addressing ME3 endings is easy, we'll have to see what they'll choose.

 

Really? I genuinely don't mean to be snide, but how would you easily address Synthesis? I don't even know what it is nor have I seen a valid explanation of it.

[Vazgen]

Really? I don't mean to be snide, but how would you easily address Synthesis? I don't even know what it is nor have I seen a valid explanation of it.

Here are two ways

1. Glowing eyes etc. wear off with time. Reapers return to the dark space

2 (the one I prefer). Set the game in an entirely new location unaffected by the wave and address Synthesis by implementing groups who oppose Shepard's decision. The location will then seclude itself from the places of the trilogy and sever contacts with the Council. Mass Relay leading to trilogy locations is deactivated. 

[Nitrocuban]

Yeah, well, Synthesis is not just about greenish glowing eyes.

It's a fundamental change of all sentinel life in the galaxy, an Utopia of mutual understanding and equality.

It's the end of all conflict and therefore a very bad setting for a new ME game.

[Mcfly616]

Mass Relay leading to trilogy locations is deactivated. 

 it's too bad the Crucible energy isn't confined to "trilogy locations".

[TruthSerum]

Yeah, well, Synthesis is not just about greenish glowing eyes.
It's a fundamental change of all sentinel life in the galaxy, an Utopia of mutual understanding and equality.
It's the end of all conflict and therefore a very bad setting for a new ME game.

I don't know about all that.

I just figured it meant that everyone is born with natural tech/biotics.

[goishen]

Yeah, well, Synthesis is not just about greenish glowing eyes.

It's a fundamental change of all sentinel life in the galaxy, an Utopia of mutual understanding and equality.

It's the end of all conflict and therefore a very bad setting for a new ME game.

 

 

Ehhh.   I don't think you know how big space is.   What I think Vazgen is saying is that....    K, one of the three options happened.  Doesn't matter, choose one.  Destroy.  Let's choose that one.   Red explosion happens.  Explosion goes to the edge of the solar system and touches the mass relay, from there it goes to each of the other systems that it's connected to.  From there, it starts all over again.  And on and on and on.  

 

But he's stating, at least from what I can tell...   Is that we're going to solar systems that aren't touched by the mass relays.  At least, by our mass relays.  Everything degrades given enough time and or space.  Well, you've got hundreds of light years between stars, let alone solar systems.  You've got an explosion that happens in space with nothing there (except for the mass relays) to facilitate that.

[Vazgen]

Yeah, well, Synthesis is not just about greenish glowing eyes.

It's a fundamental change of all sentinel life in the galaxy, an Utopia of mutual understanding and equality.

It's the end of all conflict and therefore a very bad setting for a new ME game.

It's the end of synthetic/organic conflict. Not all conflicts. Especially external ones.

 

 it's too bad the Crucible energy isn't confined to "trilogy locations".

The wave spreads from relay to a relay. If there is a remote-enough key relay that was deactivated during Reaper War (maybe even deliberately destroyed Alpha Relay-style to stall the Reaper arrival) they can put a bunch of systems linked to that relay and each other without linking them to the places of the trilogy. Wave won't reach there if you make them remote enough. 

[Mcfly616]

 

The wave spreads from relay to a relay. If there is a remote-enough key relay that was deactivated during Reaper War (maybe even deliberately destroyed Alpha Relay-style to stall the Reaper arrival) they can put a bunch of systems linked to that relay and each other without linking them to the places of the trilogy. Wave won't reach there if you make them remote enough. 

It doesn't matter how remote a relay is. The Crucible is integrated with the Citadel, the control center of the entire relay network.

[Vazgen]

It doesn't matter how remote a relay is. The Crucible is integrated with the Citadel, the control center of the entire relay network.

Yes and deactivated relay is inaccessible by that network. Try to turn off one PC in LAN network. It'll be unreachable, even from the server. The only way the wave can reach there is by its own speed which will not be enough to reach a sufficiently remote system.

[Mcfly616]

Yes and deactivated relay is inaccessible by that network. Try to turn off one PC in LAN network. It'll be unreachable, even from the server. The only way the wave can reach there is by its own speed which will not be enough to reach a sufficiently remote system.

 Where do you think relays are deactivated from? The Citadel. That's the whole point of integrating the Crucible with it. So that the entire network is activated and energy is distributed throughout the entire galaxy. If you want a game without the effects of the ME3 ending being present, you're going to have to leave the galaxy entirely.

[Vazgen]

 Where do you think relays are deactivated from? The Citadel. That's the whole point of integrating the Crucible with it. So that the entire network is activated and energy is distributed throughout the entire galaxy. If you want a game without the effects of the ME3 ending being present, you're going to have to leave the galaxy entirely.

OK, replace the word "deactivated" with "damaged". Hell, you can even have it destroyed. Better? 

[Malanek]

I have no issue with the writers saying that some systems were not effected by the blast. But it doesn't really isolate those systems. The reapers could travel across the entire galaxy in a few years, they are just too fast and re-establishing contact would be a logical priority. There is simply no reason remote systems wouldn't be reconnected and then you would still have to explain synthesis or control. And there is still all the quantum entanglement communicators. I think there are way too many holes to be writing a story set in an isolated network within the milky way.

[Vazgen]

I have no issue with the writers saying that some systems were not effected by the blast. But it doesn't really isolate those systems. The reapers could travel across the entire galaxy in a few years, they are just too fast and re-establishing contact would be a logical priority. There is simply no reason remote systems wouldn't be reconnected and then you would still have to explain synthesis or control. And there is still all the quantum entanglement communicators. I think there are way too many holes to be writing a story set in an isolated network within the milky way.

Reapers are preoccupied with connected systems. They are busy harvesting those and would've moved to the other systems next. Those systems present no threat to their plans, or so do the Reapers think. They didn't have a chance, because the Crucible was used. 

[Malanek]

Reapers are preoccupied with connected systems. They are busy harvesting those and would've moved to the other systems next. Those systems present no threat to their plans, or so do the Reapers think. They didn't have a chance, because the Crucible was used. 

You misunderstand. I am talking about all the potential controlled or synthesized and now peaceful reapers. They are not harvesting, they are helping to rebuild the galactic infrastructure. And there would be far too many (billions) of people with relatives in unconnected areas who want to reestablish contact with loved ones for this to not be a priority.

[Vazgen]

You misunderstand. I am talking about all the potential controlled or synthesized and now peaceful reapers. They are not harvesting, they are helping to rebuild the galactic infrastructure. And there would be far too many (billions) of people with relatives in unconnected areas who want to reestablish contact with loved ones for this to not be a priority.

That's why I suggest introducing groups of people who oppose Shepard's choice. They seclude themselves from the known galactic society and develop on their own. 

[Malanek]

That's why I suggest introducing groups of people who oppose Shepard's choice. They seclude themselves from the known galactic society and develop on their own. 

Would renegade control Shepard accept that? I guess I could accept that even if it isn't really completely logical. I still think it is ultimately too much difference between the world states, with too much explanation needed, to be worth writing an isolationist story and importing in this manner.

 

You could do some interesting stuff with a conflict amongst those who want to reestablish contact and those who don't. It just seems like a narrow focus over a short space of time and keep in mind that it is strongly rumoured they want to introduce at least two new alien species.

[Iakus]

It's the end of synthetic/organic conflict. Not all conflicts. Especially external ones.

 

But why does it end synthetic/organic conflict?  The changes have to be more than cosmetic, or the change is pointless.

 

 

The wave spreads from relay to a relay. If there is a remote-enough key relay that was deactivated during Reaper War (maybe even deliberately destroyed Alpha Relay-style to stall the Reaper arrival) they can put a bunch of systems linked to that relay and each other without linking them to the places of the trilogy. Wave won't reach there if you make them remote enough.

 

As McFly pointed out, the Citadel controls all relays, so it goes through the entire network.

 

And in addition, it spreads to systems without relays anyway. 

[Vazgen]

Would renegade control Shepard accept that? I guess I could accept that even if it isn't really completely logical. I still think it is ultimately too much difference between the world states, with too much explanation needed, to be worth writing an isolationist story and importing in this manner.

 

You could do some interesting stuff with a conflict amongst those who want to reestablish contact and those who don't. It just seems like a narrow focus over a short space of time and keep in mind that it is strongly rumoured they want to introduce at least two new alien species.

Surely it will require some acceptance on player part but it can work. Keep in mind that I'm not a writer and don't work at Bioware, so I don't know all the resources and direction they want to take. That conflict can be an interesting theme, new species can be introduced because those colonies are looking for new trade partners, now that the Citadel Space is off-limits. If they find them, it can be a more permanent split.

 

But why does it end synthetic/organic conflict?  The changes have to be more than cosmetic, or the change is pointless.

 

 

As McFly pointed out, the Citadel controls all relays, so it goes through the entire network.

 

And in addition, it spreads to systems without relays anyway. 

It ends synthetic/organic conflict because synthetics and organics are no longer different from each other. The change is quite extensive, sure. The point is, removing green eyes will make dialogue and character interactions the only way of feeling the difference between "upgraded" and "regular" characters. And as everyone still has a different personality, the dialogue will differ as well. 

 

We've already discussed the wave spread before. As for spreading through the entire network because Citadel controls it, see my LAN analogy above.