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Siven80

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So i've played a bit and so will post below how some of the controls are compared to DAO and DA2. Along with my feedback and suggestions.

 

Some good, some bad, some annoyances, some getting used to.

 

 

General

Cannot bind mouse 4 and mouse 5 buttons (the 2 thumb buttons on most mice). Thats really annoying as 99% of other games let you bind them!

 

Mouse wheel scrolling and double clicking work where you expect them to. 

 

Left mouse or R are the basic attack keys. Press once for 1 attack, hold it down to continue attacking. There is no auto attack outside of the tactical cam.

Pressing attack wont move you to an enemy like previous DA games. you have to manually move to an enemy and attack (unless in tac cam), just like other action/adventure games.

 

A result of this means you cannot hold down left and right mouse buttons to drive your character.

 

Its going to take some time getting used to having jump on space instead of pause. Can rebind though.

 

Ability Tooltips dont show any info on them unless your in the skill tree. Really annoying when your out adventuring and want that info quickly. (detailed tooltips mod please!)

 

Annoyance: I dont know what is Junk loot. Theres "valuables" but they may be needed later in the game. Im a hoarder :)

 

Animations

 

Having to wait for the bending animation when looting gets annoying really really fast.

 

It seems to me that you have to wait for an animation to finish before that action registers or you can do anything else. Example is the looting, and in combat animations have to finish before you can move again.

 

Looting

 

The V key searches for nearby loot and highlights it.

 

The highlight does not stay on screen for long enough, and it highlight is so subtle you easily miss items.....forcing you to spam the key.

 

Personally i much preferred the previous games method of holding a key down.

At the VERY LEAST the highlight needs to stay on screen a lot longer and be MUCH more visible.

 

Right clicking or pressing F collects loot. But you have to be standing next to the loot. It will not walk you over to the loot like previous games. 

 

On the loot screen you have to click the take all button or single items you want.

 

There is no take all key like in DA2. (Spacebar loots what is selected...so if the cursor is hovering over an item it takes that....hovered over take all it takes all).

 

Could easily make the F key do that though, strange why they havent.

 

 

Tactical Camera

 

For me the tactical camera doesnt scroll out far enough. But thats just my personal opinion.

 

You can move the Tac cam by using WASD, holding down the mouse wheel button or holding both left and right mouse buttons down.

 

You can pan the Tac camera by holding shift, or holding right mouse button down.

 

When in tactical cam view, selecting a party member jumps the camera to them.........would LOVE it to be a toggle as i would rather it not jump.

 

Tac cam can get stuck on objects like boxes. Also on building roofs.

 

Could do with an option that disables the mouse wheel going into Tac cam mode when scrolling back. Occasionally i have accidently gone into Tac cam mode when i just want to scroll out.

 

Occasionally i exit Tac cam and pause mode when i pan around .......and i dont know why that happens.

 

UI

 

Would like a minimap option to lock north in place and rotate the character icon.

 

Annoyance of mine is Interface screens which starts text halfway up the screen so requires more scrolling to go through......like the inventory screen, attributes screen and options screen.

 

Crafting and upgrading are seperate screens, and require you to move to another workbench to open those screens......pointless and annoying.

 

Skill Trees

 

You can move left and right through the skill tree titles (Sword+Shield, Two handed etc) by scrolling mouse wheel, pressing A or D or by selecting them with the mouse.

You can select them by pressing Spacebar or mouse click to go to the full skill tree.

 

Skill trees requires you to scroll a lot by holding down a mouse button and dragging to see all available skill. Not helped by the fact that nearly half the screen is taken up by your 1-8 bar and skill info.

Could have been improved, especially for PC where we dont need everything to be large.

 

Can change to other party members by pressing F1-F4 or by clicking the small icons at the top right.

 

DA2 had a far better skill tree screen. With it showing all the trees and you could click on the one you wanted with it then showing the full tree on the screen without needing to scroll.

And there is still enough space for the skill info and the 1-8 buttons.

You could also easily select party members by clicking on their portrait on the left.

 

Inventory Screen

 

You can move up and down the inventory screen by pressing W or S, by scrolling the mouse wheel or by mouse clicking.

 

Can only select the filters at the top by mouse clicking them.

 

The text for items start about half way up the screen.......meaning there is empty space above that so you need to scroll more than you should have to.

 

A and D if bound to turn left and turn right, rotate your character. Cannot rotate your character by any other means.

 

A and D if bound to Strafe left and Right, do nothing.

 

Spacebar or mouse double clicking selects and equips the selected item. You can also drag the item onto your character.

 

By hovering the mouse pointer over an item you get a tooltip of the item and the item your wearing.

 

F1-F4 keys change party member or by clicking the small triangles in the top right of the screen.

 

In my opinion the DA2 inventory was FAR better. Less scrolling, easier to select party members, everything was slightly smaller so more fit onto the screen,

 

 

For now thats it, will keep updating with any other info, issues or suggestions i have.


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skjutengris

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Main issue with developers nowadays, they cant/wont design to PC.

dont they play using real gaming computers anymore?

 

at age 50 I am questioning the developers as console have no flexibility nor precision.


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It reminds me a bit of Mass effect 3 controls especially if you play all back to back and also the Old republic has similar ones. It has a learning curve to get use to.

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PC controls are an embarrassment. Bioware you royally screwed up and once again ditched the platform you started on. How in the world can you design the tactical cam in such a poor way that it's actually worse using it than a 3rd person mode? You invented the damn thing and somehow forgot what made it good in DAO?? Such a shame, what looked to be a fantastic time sink just turned into an exercise in frustration...
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On the PC, my tactical camera keeps switching on automatically, and it's really annoying. I'm not even through the tutorial, and I'm getting very frustrated. How do you keep the tactical cam from switching on when you don't want it to?



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Yeah the tactical camera is really awkward to use. Also don't understand why we can't view tooltips by hovering the mouse over our abilities on the hotbar.



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PC controls are an embarrassment. Bioware you royally screwed up and once again ditched the platform you started on. How in the world can you design the tactical cam in such a poor way that it's actually worse using it than a 3rd person mode? You invented the damn thing and somehow forgot what made it good in DAO?? Such a shame, what looked to be a fantastic time sink just turned into an exercise in frustration...


it's that bad? sure you're just not overreacting cause of you not liking change?



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No, it's not an overreaction. You can't select more than one party member, you can't zoom out enough to get a better view of the battlefield. The view is actually clearer in 3rd person but that mode is marred with an inexcusable gameplay design where you have to hold down a button to attack. Tactical mode can't go over objects, it's incredibly clunky and awkward. This is what catering to consoles mean.
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On the PC, my tactical camera keeps switching on automatically, and it's really annoying. I'm not even through the tutorial, and I'm getting very frustrated. How do you keep the tactical cam from switching on when you don't want it to?

 

When you scroll your camera out (mousewheel) it switches to tac cam at its furthest point.



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Well Ubisoft deliberately makes the controls for PC bad.  Sounds about the same for Bioware.  Jokes on them.  I ruled the shitty controls.

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Left mouse or R are the basic attack keys. Press once for 1 attack, hold it down to continue attacking. There is no auto attack outside of the tactical cam.

 

Yay! I love that I'll be able to control each attack! I've been wanting to know for a while!



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Honestly its not as bad as people are making it out to be.

 

But it does take some getting used to. Tho It definatly feels like its better to use a controller for combat.

 

It feels like it wants to play like an MMO.

Direct movement control with WASD, ability keys on 1-8, camera movement with right mouse button held down (all of which is no problem and standard)........what messes it up though is no auto attack and basic attack on left mouse button which kills the ability to drive your character with left+right mouse button held (which i am supriseingly finding i do often).

 

Also the turning animations seem so slow that it affects fast movement in my opinion.



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The controls in DA:O and DA2 were great, but it is so hard to play DA:I with these completely awkward PC controls and the annoying camera. There is also so much crap on the screen that I can't even see very much in tactical mode.

 

If you are not in tactical mode, then you can't give orders to your teammates either. You must be in tactical mode to give orders, but in tactical mode you can't see much because the camera sucks.

 

It is so d**n frustrating to play...

 

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^ Me playing DA:I with mouse + keyboard.


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What a waste of money, we PC gamers should never buy DA 4 from EA.
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What a waste of money, we PC gamers should never buy DA 4 from EA.

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EA OWNS Bioware now. Until they buy themselves out we're stuck with it.



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EA OWNS Bioware now. Until they buy themselves out we're stuck with it.


Thank God they didn't buy 2K games in 2008 or the borderland games will be screwed up like dragon age 2 and 3 as well as mass effect 3.

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well i'll just have to wait and see if it's really that bad. Can't really read enough lamenting these days about how ubisoft or ea are serving bad games and screwing gamers over.

 

I'm still sure that i will love this game to pieces like the two before


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Not PC specific, but a hate of mine........interface screens which starts text halfway up the screen so requires more scrolling to go through......like the inventory screen, attributes screen and options screen.

 

Why?


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They might as well don't release the PC version seeing as the control sucks big time unless you have a controller. Not buying DA 4 from EA becaus of this crap.

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Go into a dungeon and try to use tactical mode. You can't see a d**n thing because the camera refuses to zoom out.  :mellow:

 

The Inventory UI is pretty bad too, even for console standards. It is by far the worst UI in the series.



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They might as well don't release the PC version seeing as the control sucks big time unless you have a controller. Not buying DA 4 from EA becaus of this crap.

what ? i can't believe this game is crap because the controlls are a little confusing? you sure you're not just a troll?



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Believe me they are not confusing, they are just bad. I am not advocating for a Bioware boycott or anything but we are in a dire need of a patch, they must fix the tactical camera and make it able to zoom out, move it with mouse and go over objects. It's a huge gameplay issue, nobody is trolling here, we are just incredibly disappointed.
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Believe me they are not confusing, they are just bad. I am not advocating for a Bioware boycott or anything but we are in a dire need of a patch, they must fix the tactical camera and make it able to zoom out, move it with mouse and go over objects. It's a huge gameplay issue, nobody is trolling here, we are just incredibly disappointed.

There's usually a day or two patch to fix things that break. So hopefully soon.



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There's usually a day or two patch to fix things that break. So hopefully soon.

 Better be a patch available by Wednesday.



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 Better be a patch available by Wednesday.

Lol.


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