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[Tdevine21]

Been playing my EA Trial and I cannot quite figure why exactly they're warring. Did I miss something? (Obviously)

[Leo]

They had a disagreement over who was supposed to bring what to their camping trip in the Hinterlands.

 

seriously though..the events of DA2 and Asunder caused a war between the mages and Templars.

[Pokemario]

Alistair and/or Anora offered refuge for the mages. Templars quickly followed.

[l7986]

Why not.

[wcholcombe]

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The mages and templars fighting in the Hinterlands are rogue groups.  The mages are just apostates that have gone power mad, the mage rebellion is actually holed up in redcliff, the templars in Hinterlands are disobeying a direct order to return to Val Royueax and have become little more then bandits, so neither group is actually part of the larger group.

[Akkos]

Spoiler

The mages and templars fighting in the Hinterlands are rogue groups.  The mages are just apostates that have gone power mad, the mage rebellion is actually holed up in redcliff, the templars in Hinterlands are disobeying a direct order to return to Val Royueax and have become little more then bandits, so neither group is actually part of the larger group.

 

This****** post above is the right answer.

 

 

The apostates are the ones taking advantage of the mage rebellion to target templars in the Hinterlands... While the renegade Templars just want to kill all mages and innocent associated with magic in these lands. (Rebel mages and apostates alike.)

 

 

Spoiler

] The rebel mages are hiding in Redcliffe, while the real Templars - well some of them part ways fron the Circle to live "peacefully", the other part of Templar are doing something not so cool at all with red lyrium.

[Northern Sun]

Spoiler

The mages and templars fighting in the Hinterlands are rogue groups.  The mages are just apostates that have gone power mad, the mage rebellion is actually holed up in redcliff, the templars in Hinterlands are disobeying a direct order to return to Val Royueax and have become little more then bandits, so neither group is actually part of the larger group.

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Are we sure that the apostates in the Hinterlands are rogue? Your scenario is what I presumed when the Hinterlands were first introduced, but since Mage HQ is right next door it makes me wonder if the mages are just getting more and more desperate and the Templars ignored orders because they see the chance to finish it.

[Master Warder Z_]

Huh and here i was thinking this thread was about the location; which truth be told struck me as odd as well.

 

I mean its a hunk of frozen worthless land smack dab in southern fereldan, plus its blighted.

 

Seriously the Anderfels would be a nicer place to fight over.

 

The Detroit of Thedas.

[Decepticon Leader Sully]

Because the new system couldnt handel a mud wresteling ring that size? 

[Br3admax]

Spoiler

Are we sure that the apostates in the Hinterlands are rogue? Your scenario is what I presumed when the Hinterlands were first introduced, but since Mage HQ is right next door it makes me wonder if the mages are just getting more and more desperate and the Templars ignored orders because they see the chance to finish it.

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They have both been denounced by both sides.

 

[thats1evildude]

Because the Hinterlands are an agricultural region and they can raid farms and villages for supplies in between fighting each other.

[Sifr]

 

I mean its a hunk of frozen worthless land smack dab in southern fereldan, plus its blighted.

 

Not really, the Hinterlands are a fertile, agricultural region that are perfect for farmland and the only reason parts of the area are frozen are because it's rapidly approaching winter at the time of Inquisition. It's also had over 12 years for the land to recover from the Blight, so it's hardly as Mordor-esque as the Anderfels, which haven't stopped having the taint spread for centuries by Darkspawn raiding parties.

[Andreas Amell]

Because the Hinterlands are an agricultural region and they can raid farms and villages for supplies in between fighting each other.

I thought about what the two groups do to supply themselves. That's why I asked where Soldier's Peak was exactly located because it's not enforced by Ferelden's army. It would be terrible to have to besiege Soldier's Peak and discover the whole Dryden clan has been wiped out by either the Templars or the apostates.

 

But I also wondered about how the Templars get their lyrium if they've broken away from the chantry. If they become desperate enough to attack dwarven caravans I'd expect we'd find ourselves back at Orzammar or even Kal Hirol.

[Andreas Amell]

Not really, the Hinterlands are a fertile, agricultural region that are perfect for farmland and the only reason parts of the area are frozen are because it's rapidly approaching winter at the time of Inquisition. It's also had over 12 years for the land to recover from the Blight, so it's hardly as Mordor-esque as the Anderfels, which haven't stopped having the taint spread for centuries by Darkspawn raiding parties.

I wondered about that too. In Dragon Age 2 a letter mentioned that Lothering was lost to the Blight devastation. But since the last Blight ended so quickly, does that mean the taint didn't settle in badly enough? What exactly have been their efforts to heal the land?

[Master Warder Z_]

and the only reason parts of the area are frozen

 

Is because its southern Fereldan.

 

 

I wondered about that too. In Dragon Age 2 a letter mentioned that Lothering was lost to the Blight devastation. But since the last Blight ended so quickly, does that mean the taint didn't settle in badly enough?

 

The taint is still present centuries later in most locations that the darkspawn ravage, the deep roads, sites of battles, etc.

 

 

at the time of Inquisition. It's also had over 12 years for the land to recover from the Blight

 

Portions of Orlais in the western approach have had centuries, they are still blighted, and its a bloody desert.

[Sifr]

I wondered about that too. In Dragon Age 2 a letter mentioned that Lothering was lost to the Blight devastation. But since the last Blight ended so quickly, does that mean the taint didn't settle in badly enough? What exactly have been their efforts to heal the land?

 

It's mentioned that the land can heal naturally by itself by this can take decades depending on how bad the Blight was. Since we're dealing with one that lasted less than a year, it apparently didn't set in so badly as to render the land beyond hope of recovery.

 

Duncan mentions that fire can cleanse the taint from objects, so I'd suggest that the farmers scoured any areas that appear Blighted with fire. Then it'd be the same as the advice that old Cold War manuals used to give for how to deal with the effects of nuclear fallout, that you have to remove the top layers of soil to remove the contamination, before you even thought about replanting crops?

[Decepticon Leader Sully]

some one ate the last After 8. that is simply not on. 

[Sifr]

Is because its southern Fereldan.

 

Really, because Lothering and the Korcari Wilds struck me as a veritable winter-wonderland when we visited there in Origins?

 

While the lands south of the Korcari Wilds are icy, the South of Ferelden itself isn't that cold unless it's approaching winter. The only reason that there was snow in Return to Ostagar was because winter had set in, which I believe was even mentioned in dialogue iirc?

 

The only other place we see snow in Ferelden are near Orzammar, Haven and Soldier's peak, all places located within the mountainous regions either bordering Orlais or that make up the Coastlands to the north of Ferelden.

 

If Ferelden was really that cold, do you really think the Alamarri would have named it "Fertile valley" in their language?

 

Portions of Orlais in the western approach have had centuries, they are still blighted, and its a bloody desert.

 

Yes, and you didn't think that's not because of the gurt big chasm located there that has darkspawn regularly coming out of it?

[X Equestris]

But I also wondered about how the Templars get their lyrium if they've broken away from the chantry. If they become desperate enough to attack dwarven caravans I'd expect we'd find ourselves back at Orzammar or even Kal Hirol.

The Templars can just take the Chantry's storehouses. The Chantry is effectively powerless to stop them.

[Master Warder Z_]

Really, because Lothering and the Korcari Wilds struck me as a veritable winter-wonderland when we visited there in Origins?

 

"Well i'm sure i'll freeze in the southern rain while you'll be up here warm and safe."-Fergus Cousland

 

"If the pots warmer then this forest then it would be an improvement."-Jory

 

Even Stolen throne remarked on just how damp and frozen the wilds are.

 

If Ferelden was really that cold, do you really think the Alamarri would have named it "Fertile valley" in their language?

 

They didn't have much sense among them?

 

Seriously; there was an Andraste and not much else.

[Sifr]

"Well i'm sure i'll freeze in the southern rain while you'll be up here warm and safe."-Fergus Cousland

 

"If the pots warmer then this forest then it would be an improvement."-Jory

 

Even Stolen throne remarked on just how damp and frozen the wilds are.

 

As someone from the UK and well acquainted with rain, it does have a tendency to be cold whether north or south, it's part of it's charm!

 

But I think we're conflating the Korcari Wilds with the Hinterlands, which aren't necessarily the same thing. Ostagar is right on the border between the Hinterlands and the Korcari Wilds, which are further south and more damp and swamp-like, before running off into the unexplored icy south. You're right that the Korcari Wilds are cold and damp, given their nature as a swamp, but my point was that they aren't known for being frozen or snowy from all the depictions of them that we've seen. I'll grant you that if we ventured back into them during RtO, they probably might have been, but it was winter after all.

 

The Hinterlands stretch between Ostagar and Redcliffe and seem to be a lot more milder in their climate, by virtue of being more northern and lower in elevation, judging by the various maps that show the Hinterlands to be nestled between the mountains?

 

(And damn, I just realised I'm arguing about the weather! Even in Thedas, it seems I can't help but be British!)

[Master Warder Z_]

As someone from the UK and well acquainted with rain, it does have a tendency to be cold whether north or south, it's part of it's charm!

 

But I think we're conflating the Korcari Wilds with the Hinterlands, which aren't necessarily the same thing. Ostagar is right on the border between the Hinterlands and the Korcari Wilds, which are further south and more damp and swamp-like, before running off into the unexplored icy south. You're right that the Korcari Wilds are cold and damp, given their nature as a swamp, but my point was that they aren't known for being frozen or snowy from all the depictions of them that we've seen. I'll grant you that if we ventured back into them during RtO, they probably might have been, but it was winter after all.

 

The Hinterlands stretch between Ostagar and Redcliffe and seem to be a lot more milder in their climate, by virtue of being more northern and lower in elevation, judging by the various maps that show the Hinterlands to be nestled between the mountains?

 

(And damn, I just realised I'm arguing about the weather! Even in Thedas, it seems I can't help but be British!)

 

My main point was that at until Lothering there aren't any known farming settlements besides Honleath which borders the wilds; And we never got a chance to see either of these two places actually you know, growing anything, we never saw the fields.

 

And before you mention the field outside of Lothering, it was a single row of wheat.

 

Wheat.

 

A plant that will grow just about anywhere, its pretty hardy.

 

I think the argument that the land of the Hinterlands is fertile is a stretch personally, arable possibly but i wouldn't label it was ideal farming conditions.

 

And then my point would also lead to the fact that; these settlements in all likelihood only grow enough to support themselves, cities like Redcliffe and Denerim can afford to actually you know construct and man the farms that cities would require, but the quaint hovels that are mentioned? I doubt it.

 

So all in all, even if the ground is fertile it likely isn't being put to much use.

 

So my point would remain; blighted, worthless land.

 

I mean unless if you think Mages and Templars are going to forage town after town for food anyway, i mean armies can roam decent distances on their stomach alone sure but, i'd expect communities period in the region are a rarity.

[Sifr]

My main point was that at until Lothering there aren't any known farming settlements besides Honleath which borders the wilds; And we never got a chance to see either of these two places actually you know, growing anything, we never saw the fields.

 

And before you mention the field outside of Lothering, it was a single row of wheat.

 

While it's true we don't know exactly what they farmed in Lothering, save for wheat, grain and bread judging by the various mills and windmills, if you looked from the Imperial Highway there were numerous other dwellings and windmills stretching off into the distance.

 

It'd seem unlikely that they didn't have at least some farms that had livestock, because while Lothering was a trading hub, it'd be bad for their economy and self-sufficiency to be forced to import everything else, as well as rely too heavily on wheat-production (even if it was the thing they produced most).

 

So my point would remain; blighted, worthless land.

 

I still disagree.

 

For one, the land is hardly blighted, as the various twitch streams showing the Hinterlands in Inquisition can attest, as it's shown to be completely recovered from the Blight and teaming with people, farms and wildlife. I apologise if you've not seen those streams, but it's not that much of a spoiler.

 

Secondly, as one of the breadbaskets of Ferelden, it's hardly worthless land. The farms supply Redcliffe, which is the only major town in Western Ferelden and would thus suffer if they lost control over their own source of food production, which the Templars likely want to happen as it's the headquarters of the Mage Rebellion.

 

The "golden ending" of Awakening similarly had the Warden protect the farmland of Amaranthine, as it was vital for the region, which is another reason for why farms are important commodities, especially in a medieval setting.

[KC_Prototype]

Because they left the circles in Orlais and Ferelden offered them refuge, the templars followed and they began to clash. 

[Aren]

"Well i'm sure i'll freeze in the southern rain while you'll be up here warm and safe."-Fergus Cousland

 

"If the pots warmer then this forest then it would be an improvement."-Jory

 

Even Stolen throne remarked on just how damp and frozen the wilds are.

 

 

They didn't have much sense among them?

 

Seriously; there was an Andraste and not much else.

So Ferelden is located in the south of It's planet, from a scientific point of view beyond the Korkari wilds only a frozen continent like the an Antartic continent can exist