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[inversevideo]

Bailey went from Captain, in ME1 & ME2, to Commander, in ME3.

 

When Shep discussed it with him, the dialogue makes it seem like a promotion

 

But, I would think Captain would outrank Commander? So how does rank work in CSEC?

[StarcloudSWG]

Expecting a solid rank structure from Bioware is pretty silly. They can't even get naval ranks correctly, or naval etiquette. (you don't salute aboard a working vessel unless you really have nothing else to do and want to be put to work, or you're making an official report, or a visiting party is aboard, as I understand it.) 

[themikefest]

The worse part is the left handed salute. 

[Larry-3]

Every ranking system is different. For all we know the aliens could see ours a weird. In different Space Opera's the ranking system is sometimes very different. Star Wars, on at least one occasion I noticed that Commander out ranked Captain. I know this is not Star Wars, it was just an example. Anyway, was their a Codex entry on the C-sec ranks? I would check myself, but it will most likely be a long while before I can play Mass Effect.

[Kurt M.]

The worse part is the left handed salute. 

 

Or saluting without having a beret (or cap or busby or whatever) on. At least in the country where I reside, their military doesn't allow that (you've to make a different salute). A pretty stupid rule made out of boredom, if you ask me, but oh well...

[Vazgen]

C-Sec is not a military force. And Commander outranks Captain in US police ranking system. Maybe they used it as a basis?

[Valmar]

I agree with Vazgen, its likely based off a police hierarchy. Unrelated but it always amused me to see so many people nitpicking and complaining about these trivia details like salutes. It's a fictional universe with a radically different fictional government and military. Why must everything follow the identical doctrine to some military in the real world? Far as I know The Alliance is a completely fictional entity with no real-world equivalent.

[ArabianIGoggles]

In the Halo lore, the Spartan commander that isn't smart enough to wear a helmet, (fem shep) all military personnel address MC as the top Spartan.  Probably due to the fact of him being a legend and the lady spartan as pathetic. So who knows.

[caradoc2000]

Why must everything follow the identical doctrine to some military in the real world? Far as I know The Alliance is a completely fictional entity with no real-world equivalent.

And on a related note: why would Turians use Human salutes (especially with each other)? This has always bugged me in Priority:Palaven.

[Valmar]

And on a related note: why would Turians use Human salutes (especially with each other)? This has always bugged me in Priority:Palaven.

 

Why wouldn't they? What is so special about our salute that makes it wrong for them to do it? If you really want to grind your gears over the turians then start looking at the connections they have to the roman empire. If it makes you feel any better they do get a different salute variation on Omega. Though I'm sure someone will say its the same as some other military on earth.

[Kurt M.]

Why wouldn't they? What is so special about our salute that makes it wrong for them to do it?

 

Maybe because they're an alien culture who lives countless light-years from Earth and have a several thousand years old civilization of their own who all of suddenly are using salutes from a race they've known less than 30 years ago?

[Valmar]

Them being an old alien culture doesn't make the salute any more special or unique.

 

You're making the assumption that they are using our salute and took it from us. Ever consider that maybe they came up with it first and we just coincidentally have one that happens to be the same? Their entire society is not only older than ours but also extensively more militaristic. There is nothing special about our salute that should make it exclusive to our species. Its unreasonable to assume no other species out there with a similar posture could not figure it out. It isn't exactly a complicated salute.

[caradoc2000]

Its unreasonable to assume no other species out there with a similar posture could not figure it out. It isn't exactly a complicated salute.

Still it is a remarkable coincidence.

[Vazgen]

According to one romantic legend perpetuated in many military manuals, the modern Western salute originated when knights greeted each other to show friendly intentions by raising their visors to show their faces, using a salute. Others also note that the raising of one's visor was a way to identify oneself saying "This is who I am, and I am not afraid." Medieval visors were, to this end, equipped with a protruding spike that allowed the visor to be raised using a saluting motion.
According to the US Army Quartermaster School, the following explanation of the origin of the hand salute is: It was a long-established military custom for subordinates to remove their headgear in the presence of superiors. As late as the American Revolution, a British Army soldier saluted by removing his hat. With the advent of increasingly cumbersome headgear in the 18th and 19th centuries, however, the act of removing one's hat was gradually converted into the simpler gesture of grasping or touching the visor and issuing a courteous salutation.

Is it really unreasonable to think that they could've developed a similar gesture through their history?

[Valmar]

Still it is a remarkable coincidence.

 

I find that the Turians being space romans to be more of a remarkable coincidence then I do some simple positioning of their hands. Our salute isn't complicated. It isn't like we twirl around and moonwalk each time. We just hold our hand up. Hell, people salute on instinct alone when they're trying to view something in the distance or keep the sun out of their eyes.* I'm a very simplistic gesture. I'd be a bit surprised if we were the only species to do it, honestly. If any one species was going to have a form of military salute like this it would be the turians, the most militaristic species in the galaxy. They likely have many salutes in their culture, honestly. 

 

*Turians likely wouldn't need to 'salute' for these reasons due to superior eyesight and natural protection from sun glare in form of their ridges/scales.

[caradoc2000]

It isn't like we twirl around and moonwalk each time.

I would have preferred this for Turians... It would have looked awesome in Youtube videos.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

The fact that the Asari use the same salute just shows that Bioware had a generic salute animation, except for the left handed salute.

 

I think that the aliens should have had unique variants, like putting their right hand up to their foreheads and flapping it

[Kurt M.]

Them being an old alien culture doesn't make the salute any more special or unique.

 

You're making the assumption that they are using our salute and took it from us. Ever consider that maybe they came up with it first and we just coincidentally have one that happens to be the same?

 

Yeah, if those kind of big-ass coincidences in that small amount of detail were that common, I think I'll better cover my head right now, cos surely a 20-meter asteroid is going to land right in top of it.

 

Bioware were feeling lazy that day. Period.

[Valmar]

Yeah, if those kind of big-ass coincidences in that small amount of detail were that common, I think I'll better cover my head right now, cos surely a 20-meter asteroid is going to land right in top of it.

 

Bioware were feeling lazy that day. Period.

 

I'm not saying laziness wasn't a factor. Only that this isn't a big deal. There ARE big-ass coincidences in small amounts of details in the entire series, even with the Turians (the salute is not the only coincidence). Given all the coincidences the series throws at us I find the salutes to be the least-damning and very trivial in comparison to everything else. I don't see the salute as being a "big-ass" coincidence. It's very minor, imo. There are far larger coincidences with the Turians and the series at large that completely out-shadow the salute.

[Vazgen]

All major alien races are quite humanized. Hopefully that'll change in ME:Next