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[Biotic Flash Kick]

Funny how ME1 has scars yet DA:I doesn't. Also funny how ME3 is way better graphically than DA:I. They just didn't bother with the last-gen versions.

there's an interesting point 

[Kaibe]

I get people liking scars but is it really THATimportant?

Important enough to buy a new console? I don't care much about the scars but I can't fathom thinking its worth shelling out three hundred bucks to get em.

Unless you mean you would have just not bought the game if you knew, but I find it just as hard to believe someone into DA enough to post on this forum would really pass up this game because of a missing cosmetic feature.

I was getting a new console regardless, so waiting a couple of months wouldn't have hurt.

[Panda]

If BW cared about old console players they would have included scars similarly as in previous BW games: slider where you could chose the one you wanted but without ability to move it. But now they just cut whole feature out even though before game they promised to players there wouldn't be anything missing from the game.

[GODzilla]

Mhm...I'm wondering...did you guys consider that there ought to be some drawbacks on the "last gen" version of the game? Or did you think "last gen" was the lead platform and everything else would scale back to them?

[uzivatel]

Funny how ME1 has scars yet DA:I doesn't. Also funny how ME3 is way better graphically than DA:I. They just didn't bother with the last-gen versions.

I take it they should have removed one companion from the party and made the locations narrow and linear rather than not including scars. amirite?

Not sure whats the big deal, most of the scar options are pretty meh.

If BW cared about old console players they would have included scars similarly as in previous BW games: slider where you could chose the one you wanted but without ability to move it. But now they just cut whole feature out even though before game they promised to players there wouldn't be anything missing from the game.

AFAIK it is another layer, that needs to be stored in memory (and rendered) pretty much all the time.

[Panda]

Mhm...I'm wondering...did you guys consider that there ought to be some drawbacks on the "last gen" version of the game? Or did you think "last gen" was the lead platform and everything else would scale back to them?

 

Usually when you start doing thing you start with doing it so that it works for lowest possible settings and then make it better for higher settings. With DAI they did opposite, they did the whole game for very demanding hardware like they forgot that they were going to sell it to last gen consoles and not high-end PC's as well. That's no way to do games, the basics must be done according to lowest hardware and then improving it to better hardware.

[GODzilla]

Usually when you start doing thing you start with doing it so that it works for lowest possible settings and then make it better for higher settings. With DAI they did opposite, they did the whole game for very demanding hardware like they forgot that they were going to sell it to last gen consoles and not high-end PC's as well. That's no way to do games, the basics must be done according to lowest hardware and then improving it to better hardware.

 

I'm sorry, really no offense intended, but after many, many years of playing shity console ports (there were good ones, too) I cannot but disagree. There should come a time when an old platform has to be abandoned. Of course, if they think there is still money to be made, they do a version for "last gen" regardless.

 

But the thought of developers still building games for the slowest common demoninator is, quite frankly, horrible. When I think about Mass Effect 3, which didn't have an weapon holster animation / feature because they had to scrap every single memory for the animations (we're talking kilobytes here), it was a farce.

 

No more please! I'm actually a bit glad for the "next gen" consoles, even as pc-player. A move forward instead of a leap backwards.

 

Just to get this straight: If you bought the "last gen" version and it has bugs and problems, you have every right to complain. If they release such a version they should've done it right. But they didn't. If I were you I'd try everything to get my money back. Because, let's be honest: How much time and money will they probably invest into fixing the "old gen" version? Right...

[DarkAmaranth1966]

I'm on the side of build it for mid to high end equipment and, cut what you can w/o changing the basic story and things crucial to gameplay for low end consoles or computers.

 

As for what they did to console players - at least you can still run the game on a rig form 2005 and, replacing it with a better one is only about 400-500 USD. PC players can't run the game at all on an average 2005 computer, those were 32 bit and, the game has to have 64 bit. It cost us 900 USD and up to get a new computer to even run the game at all, more if we want to run the settings up and experience what this game is capable of giving us. Even of those that have 64 bit computers, many need new graphics cards to even run the game, that alone is 200 US low end and can be 1000 USD or more. It isn't difficult for a PC player to end up spending 3 to 5 grand in hardware to play this game.

 

I'm glad for it, it's high time game producers stopped pandering to people that want to game on a computer meant to be a web browser and glorified word processor. Yes it's a new direction, new engine and all and, it will have bugs and, it will take time for them to get working with the engine down to an art form but, it will happen. I know a lot of people complain about bugs, and yes there are some. The DX crash is a graphics card issue, maybe GPU drivers can fix it at some point, maybe not. The other bugs are not game breaking. Yes they can cause you to have to revert to an earlier save now and again, but usually not even that, just reload or, they are annoyances but not significant.

 

I just hope they stay with the engine for DA4 - let's get this one down before we try a new one again.

[Riven326]

I'm on the side of build it for mid to high end equipment and, cut what you can w/o changing the basic story and things crucial to gameplay for low end consoles or computers.

 

As for what they did to console players - at least you can still run the game on a rig form 2005 and, replacing it with a better one is only about 400-500 USD. PC players can't run the game at all on an average 2005 computer, those were 32 bit and, the game has to have 64 bit. It cost us 900 USD and up to get a new computer to even run the game at all, more if we want to run the settings up and experience what this game is capable of giving us. Even of those that have 64 bit computers, many need new graphics cards to even run the game, that alone is 200 US low end and can be 1000 USD or more. It isn't difficult for a PC player to end up spending 3 to 5 grand in hardware to play this game.

 

I'm glad for it, it's high time game producers stopped pandering to people that want to game on a computer meant to be a web browser and glorified word processor. Yes it's a new direction, new engine and all and, it will have bugs and, it will take time for them to get working with the engine down to an art form but, it will happen. I know a lot of people complain about bugs, and yes there are some. The DX crash is a graphics card issue, maybe GPU drivers can fix it at some point, maybe not. The other bugs are not game breaking. Yes they can cause you to have to revert to an earlier save now and again, but usually not even that, just reload or, they are annoyances but not significant.

 

I just hope they stay with the engine for DA4 - let's get this one down before we try a new one again.

Yes, people are quick to forget the 360 hardware is a decade old. It's crazy to think that hardware dating back to 2005 could even run a game like Inquisition.

[Panda]

Yes, people are quick to forget the 360 hardware is a decade old. It's crazy to think that hardware dating back to 2005 could even run a game like Inquisition.

 

Then the Bioware is crazy one thinking their game would run in last gen. Not customer who bought the game since when you buy product it should be pretty much quaranteed to work, selling broken products is unacceptable.

[wicked cool]

Riven the source was Cameron Lee.

We expected graphics as good as da2 . I expected skyrim graphics. I didnt expect so many pixelated graphics. Hair/beard choices are 1/2 filled and. Dorian/cullen go from decent graphics too sega genesis graphics.
I chucked the game in the trash. I have
Never done that. If i got it for cheap i would say ok its cheap but i paid extra maybe more than better consoles

[JaegerBane]

Well, I'm on the side that thinks it's daft to expect to indulge in modern gaming on decades old hardware. Running something like Frostbite 3 on a relic like the 360 is an achievement in of itself, complaining about minor graphical details after that is a bit like bedding Jessica Alba , and then complaining about the feng shui in her apartment.

Seriously, folks. Run a game on ****, it will look like ****. You get what you pay for. Cheaping out on ancient hardware brings it with an equivalent experience.

[DarkAmaranth1966]

Yes, running this game on an XBox 360 would, for me, be the same as trying to run it on the old AMD dual core with an Nvidia 9600 (It's in pieces because the hard drive died three years ago.) Yes it was one of the early 64 bit machines, served me well for 4 years. Yes I upgraded to that GPU back then and, yeah I could probably slap a new hard drive in it and convince it to run DAI. But, I'd have the GPU overheating, have major tearing, artifacts, stripes, pixelation and, probably smoke before long.

 

I like the car analogy. You are a cattle rancher that owns a shiny new pickup and, a ten year old compact car. You have to haul 2000 lbs of feed to the cattle every day. You don't want to ding and scratch the new pickup, or get ti all dusty and dirty so, you load the feed into the compact car. Yes the car does the job but, it was never designed to do haul that much weight. It coughs here and there, spits black smoke occasionally but, it gets the feed to the cows. FOR NOW. A month later, the car blows a head gasket and, the transmission falls out of it.

 

You had intended to give it to your daughter for her first car. It would have been fine for her to drive to and from school and friends if you had used your new pickup to haul feed and, left the compact to running to town and smaller tasks.

 

So too for computers and consoles, they may have been the best when they were new but, now the old ones are that compact car. They will probably keep doing what they were built to do for years to come - run the games that were available when they were new, and for a year or so after that. They aren't meant to run the games of today. Get a new console or computer, 10 years is long enough. Sell the one you have for 50 bucks or, give it to a young relative for a gift - it will play those educational toddler games just fine for them.

[Riven326]

Riven the source was Cameron Lee.

That's not a source, it's just a name.

 

 

Then the Bioware is crazy one thinking their game would run in last gen. Not customer who bought the game since when you buy product it should be pretty much quaranteed to work, selling broken products is unacceptable.

If they didn't port it to last-gen systems, you, and many others, would be bitching to no end about how terrible Bioware is for not including you.

[AlanC9]

It cost us 900 USD and up to get a new computer to even run the game at all, more if we want to run the settings up and experience what this game is capable of giving us. Even of those that have 64 bit computers, many need new graphics cards to even run the game, that alone is 200 US low end and can be 1000 USD or more. It isn't difficult for a PC player to end up spending 3 to 5 grand in hardware to play this game
 

These figures strike me as a little extreme.

[snackrat]

The shaders for scars only show on higher mesh qualities, even on PC. Because last-gen (360, PS3) aren't powerful enough to run meshes of that quality, the scars would be invisible. So they are simply removed.

[DarkAmaranth1966]

These figures strike me as a little extreme.

Haven't been computer shopping lately then.

 

See what you pay for a 3.0gHz or faster quad core or better CPU, 1TB hard drive, 8 GB Ram and, a *60 or better Nvidia GPU or **70 or better AMD GPU. Toss in a half decent mouse, monitor and keyboard for the computer, or make it a laptop and, you will pay a decent price for it.

 

As for Graphics cards, let's just look at Nvidia a 560 will run around 200 USD, a Titan 1000 to 1600 USD so, even assuming an older power supply can handle a newer GPU, which is not often the case, PC players with older computers had a minimum of 200 in upgrades to play.

 

Yes I spent a lot more than that but, I needed a high end machine for other tasks (paid tasks) still, the mid range gaming rig I found for my granddaughter was 1400 USD and, that one had an Nvidia 760 and an i7 CPU on 8 GB ram, ITB HD, and a 256GB SSD drive. Nothing fancy, just a mid line gaming rig. No liquid cooling, no card reader, no light scribe, no blue ray, nothing fancy at all.

[Panda]

That's not a source, it's just a name.

 

 

If they didn't port it to last-gen systems, you, and many others, would be bitching to no end about how terrible Bioware is for not including you.

 

So instead they will make people pay 70 euros for game that doesn't work properly with false marketing by saying nothing is missing (*cough scars, NPC's, textures.. cough*) and the game will give same aesthetic experience. Yep, sounds legit to me.

 

If they didn't trick me into thinking PS3 version would play and be at least DA2 quality, then I would have saved money for PS4 instead of reserving copy of PS3 version.

[aaarcher86]

So instead they will make people pay 70 euros for game that doesn't work properly with false marketing by saying nothing is missing (*cough scars, NPC's, textures.. cough*) and the game will give same aesthetic experience. Yep, sounds legit to me.

If they didn't trick me into thinking PS3 version would play and be at least DA2 quality, then I would have saved money for PS4 instead of reserving copy of PS3 version.

I believe when they talked about nothing being missing it was in reference to the actual game/story - which is totally true.

They were pretty open about there being graphical differences or NPCs missing. Seems like you may have taken it a little differently than it was intended.

[Panda]

I believe when they talked about nothing being missing it was in reference to the actual game/story - which is totally true.

They were pretty open about there being graphical differences or NPCs missing. Seems like you may have taken it a little differently than it was intended.

 

Nope, although they said there will be graphical differences they never stated problem with textures not loading. They promised that same aesthetic experience which pretty much was lie. Also they lied about maxing PS3's potential, the game is lot degrade from quality of DA2 (though DA2 had big quality problems as well from time to time but nothing this bad).

[Riven326]

So instead they will make people pay 70 euros for game that doesn't work properly with false marketing by saying nothing is missing (*cough scars, NPC's, textures.. cough*) and the game will give same aesthetic experience. Yep, sounds legit to me.

 

If they didn't trick me into thinking PS3 version would play and be at least DA2 quality, then I would have saved money for PS4 instead of reserving copy of PS3 version.

If you're going to accuse a company of false advertising, at least have the decency to provide sources to support your claims.

[wicked cool]

Just google Cameron lee on dai last gen. Pops up right away. Thats a source which is different from a link
The feed in a car doesnt fit at all. Im not mad at witcher or dying lght nt coming out for 360. They said we cant do it
Bioware sold the game. If they didnt have new consoles then pc people would be getting the same experience
For you bioware is not fault at all. I expected da2 graphics . I have never been so disappointed in a game

[Riven326]

Just google Cameron lee on dai last gen. Pops up right away. Thats a source which is different from a link
The feed in a car doesnt fit at all. Im not mad at witcher or dying lght nt coming out for 360. They said we cant do it
Bioware sold the game. If they didnt have new consoles then pc people would be getting the same experience
For you bioware is not fault at all. I expected da2 graphics . I have never been so disappointed in a game

You're the one making the claim. The burden of providing the source falls on you.

[Panda]

You're the one making the claim. The burden of providing the source falls on you.

 

Sigh, I have talked about this quite lot but here is one:

 

http://www.vg247.com...d-gen-consoles/

 

"From a graphical perspective the gen 4 versions look more dense, but in terms of the aesthetic of the game they should be the same across platforms.”

 

Before release Bioware refused to show anything of DAI on last gen consoles despite pleas although they covered all other platforms multiple times. Only thing they gave about last gen was that the game won't be new gen quality but they maximized last gen's potential and gave same experience. This would be truth if DAI was slight improvement from DA2 and ME3 to really maximize last gen consoles potential but instead it's just poor port that doesn't stand up to other BW games on last gen consoles in comparisation.

[Riven326]

Sigh, I have talked about this quite lot but here is one:

 

http://www.vg247.com...d-gen-consoles/

 

"From a graphical perspective the gen 4 versions look more dense, but in terms of the aesthetic of the game they should be the same across platforms.”

 

Before release Bioware refused to show anything of DAI on last gen consoles despite pleas although they covered all other platforms multiple times. Only thing they gave about last gen was that the game won't be new gen quality but they maximized last gen's potential and gave same experience. This would be truth if DAI was slight improvement from DA2 and ME3 to really maximize last gen consoles potential but instead it's just poor port that doesn't stand up to other BW games on last gen consoles in comparisation.

The quote is vague. When he says aesthetic, it could mean art style.