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[Sully13]

you win it in a box of Shmoople-O's those fereldan Cerial boxes have awesom prizes

[BellaStrega]

Indispensable as an asset, yes, not as leadership. Unless people have another reason to think you're good at being in charge, it makes much more sense to put you under Cassandra's command.

 

The ability to close the rifts is more than sufficient reason. I know I am repeating myself, and there is indeed another reason but I think the perspective you're taking here is a bit limited.

[ThomasBlaine]

The ability to close the rifts is more than sufficient reason. I know I am repeating myself, and there is indeed another reason but I think the perspective you're taking here is a bit limited.

If a guy showed up in America with the ability to pull infinite amounts of resources out of thin air, making him the solution to every major crisis on Earth, and you knew literally nothing else about him except his race/nationality, would you make him President of the United States? What if he was natively North Korean? Romani? What if he was a mobster, like the dwarf Inquisitor? He wouldn't need to be in charge to make proper use of his gift, you wouldn't know if he was even educated, much less a reliable person, but you'd make him President over every other candidate simply because he could do something very, very extraordinary that has nothing to do with organizing a country?

 

 

Still, you guys have convinced me that the logic goes beyond just "he has what we need to solve this problem, of course he gets to call the shots on us lowly humans, you don't second-guess a miracle-worker", so I'm not as worried anymore.

[Zorpen]

Well, i don't know about you, but mine inquisitor is plain cool, so it was obvious decision to make him a leader

[ThomasBlaine]

Well, i don't know about you, but mine inquisitor is plain cool, so it was obvious decision to make him a leader

 

That's the thing, all the trailers make it sound like Cassandra will make you leader of the Inquisition, and in fact found the Inquisition around you, the moment she realizes that you can close rifts. If you get time to prove yourself in genuine competence before the idea of leadership is even brought up then it's a completely different matter, and I feel much better about that.

[AresKeith]

and you can do that skorpion "GET OVER HERE." thing.
even in Thaedas thats still badass.

Scorpion is such a trend setter

[Wissenschaft 2.0]

That's the thing, all the trailers make it sound like Cassandra will make you leader of the Inquisition, and in fact found the Inquisition around you, the moment she realizes that you can close rifts. If you get time to prove yourself in genuine competence before the idea of leadership is even brought up then it's a completely different matter, and I feel much better about that.

 

Don't worry, you'll earn the right to be the leader as you play the game.

[ThomasBlaine]

Don't worry, you'll earn the right to be the leader as you play the game.

Thank you.

[Tarvesh]

On this case, I have to argue that it would not make you the best choice to be leader. Being a leader requires a LOT of qualities that the Quizzie may have in theory, but in practice would require a lot of experience and training to put to practical use. Being able to close the rift makes you invaluable, nay, critical to the Inquisition, but should not be the main reason why you are appointed to be the leader.

Of course, that's got nothing to do with the game, as you are the default leader. I'm just saying in my own personal opinion, that shouldn't be the default requirement.

You go through a good chunk of the start of the game as part of the initial inner circle when the Inquisition is established. And as you are the person seen solving problems, making decisions, and taking more dominant positions during debates within the inner circle, people gradually come to accept you as the leader.

You're not playing some wet behind the ears kid/young adult with no experience like the warden and Hawke. You're already a seasoned individual who has proven themselves within their own organization/homeland (or you wouldn't have been chosen to attend the conclave as any kind of representative).

[Sylentmana]

I believe it was because they were impressed by my ability to juggle small rodents to Orlesian ballads.

[ThomasBlaine]

Cassandra is Orlesian? And she's Smart.  If it all goes wrong YOU take the blame not her.  

 

I'm pretty sure Cassandra is Nevarran, and based on her dialogue with Varric in DAII, not the sharpest tool in the shed. She has a lot of both military and operative experience, though, and an established reputation. The Inquisitor is a nonentity or worse. I wouldn't expect her to manipulate the player, but I can easily see the developers railroading us through her natural bossiness.

 

You go through a good chunk of the start of the game as part of the initial inner circle when the Inquisition is established. And as you are the person seen solving problems, making decisions, and taking more dominant positions during debates within the inner circle, people gradually come to accept you as the leader.

You're not playing some wet behind the ears kid/young adult with no experience like the warden and Hawke. You're already a seasoned individual who has proven themselves within their own organization/homeland (or you wouldn't have been chosen to attend the conclave as any kind of representative).

 

Sounds awesome, looking forward to it.

[Willowhugger]

I'm pretty sure Cassandra is Nevarran, and based on her dialogue with Varric in DAII, not the sharpest tool in the shed. She has a lot of both military and operative experience, though, and an established reputation. The Inquisitor is a nonentity or worse. I wouldn't expect her to manipulate the player, but I can easily see the developers railroading us through her natural bossiness.

 

Not a spoiler but insight into my impressions of Cassandra's character.

She really-really hates diplomacy, inspirational speeches, and "leadership" in general.

She can grow into it but she's more comfortable taking orders than giving them.

[parico]

The same reason why a new gray warden was made warden commander, and why Hawke, a random refugee becomes a champion....lack of money to pay a decent script writer.  

[Wynne]

*facepalm* You are NOT the leader of the Inquisition from moment one; the people who think otherwise were not paying very careful attention during the beginning of the game. However, considering you are either

 

• A noble of the Trevelyan family, trained to lead from birth
• A member of a family involved in organized crime which rules with an iron fist
• The Keeper's apprentice
• A Dalish hunter
• A valued member of a mercenary group
• A trusted Circle mage

 

You have at least seen leadership throughout your existence; your proximity to it was close. (This is especially true if you are a blade-using Trevelyan or a Lavellan mage.) You should be able to model it reasonably well if you get the chance to come into your own, assuming it was competent, and if it wasn't competent then maybe that caused a lot of seething brainstorms inside your head where you thought, "I'd make so much better a leader than that putz" and this is your chance.

 

There IS some murkiness about it--but there has to be. How many people complained about being railroaded in DA2? This time, it's up to you to decide how much of a leader your character is and whether they were born for it or have to scramble to grow into it out of sheer brutal necessity. Your motivation is for you to decide--all the game does is set you up to decide for yourself how much experience your character would have based on their background. You can then roleplay from there.

 

However, what you are is, indeed, a figurehead, at least in the beginning. People regard you with awe because you can close the Breach--you are the ONE person in all the world who can do that, and while to a modern person this is as you say, like someone who can conjure unlimited resources becoming president rather than a valued member of society, think from a MEDIEVAL perspective. The vast majority of Thedas' surface inhabitants are probably religious. It's not "because plot." It's "because medieval people are inevitably superstitious and think OMG, CHOSEN OF THE MAKER!!!" when viewing things they don't understand. That makes you a convenient celebrity, and it worked for Ronald Reagan, among others.

 

The one thing to remember here: 

When someone is viewed as God's chosen, they gain followers whether they want to or not. 

 

Beyond that unique power you have, you were also seen by many common people in the Thedas equivalent of THIS: http://upload.wikime...guel_Ángel).jpg

 

If anyone who played through the intro, watched it instead of skipping, and didn't get it before doesn't get it at last when they read the above carefully and think about it for a moment or two, then I can only be sad for them.

[Doominike]

They make you the Inquisitor because you've effectively led them from the beginning anyway. You recruited all the agents, you made the alliance with the mages/templars, you gathered the resources and secured to areas that made the group stronger and saving Haven is mostly your doing too

[Bann Duncan]

This is such a pointless thread. Wouldn't it have made more sense to just wait a couple of days and play the game, rather than assuming the story is known because of trailers and criticizing it thus?

This is in part why the owner locked forums were so helpful. I hope the new software supports them!

[Gill Kaiser]

At the beginning you just get carted around everywhere because you're the only one who can close the rifts, and you have a certain cache in the minds of the population due to the circumstances surrounding your survival.

 

Then, once the time comes to choose a leader, Cass and the others basically say that you've been effectively leading them already, and you've been getting results.

[Former_Fiend]

A pretty straightforward question for the lucky American bastards who are already playing: What's the in-game rationale for the PC to be Inquisitor when Cassandra is arguably much better qualified? It's been bugging me forever. Not that I think Cas would be better at it, necessarily, but she must seem like the obvious choice, and I don't see why a pious noble, criminal dwarf or a nomadic Dalish, to say nothing of a Qunari, would strike people as a better alternative for leadership even with the ability to close Rifts.

 

Edit: Also, do you actually get to feel like the Inquisitor, or will Cassandra boss everyone around and use you as a figurehead?

 

You don't actually become the head of the inquisition until the second act of the game. During the first act, you're something of a consultant; Cassandra, Leliana, Cullen, and Josephine are leading it while looking to you for advice and input since you're the one who can close the rifts.

 

Over the course of the first act it becomes clear that the PC has excellent leadership skills and an inspiring presence, and at the start of the second act, the others have agreed that you're the one fit to lead since really, you're the one who's been leading from the start, just not in name. 

[staindgrey]

On this case, I have to argue that it would not make you the best choice to be leader. Being a leader requires a LOT of qualities that the Quizzie may have in theory, but in practice would require a lot of experience and training to put to practical use. Being able to close the rift makes you invaluable, nay, critical to the Inquisition, but should not be the main reason why you are appointed to be the leader.

 

Of course, that's got nothing to do with the game, as you are the default leader. I'm just saying in my own personal opinion, that shouldn't be the default requirement.

Substitute "Warden" for "Inquisitor", and you've summarized my unpopular stance on just how important the Hero of Ferelden really was.

[Silcron]

At the start there is no inquisitor. There's you, cullen, leliana, jossie and cass leading, then after some time you become the inquisitor. The reason why you get to be on the leading group is the mark, the reason as to why you become inquisitor is because of what you do until you're named as such.

I started playing and i had the same worries, but then i got named inquisitor and it was fixed. I won't say more, just know that it makes sense

[Tarvesh]

Consider: I'm the one calling war councils. I'm the one sending people on missions. I'm the one that Leliana, Cullen, and Josphine "report" to. This literally starts happening within moments of the Inquisition being called.

You're not calling a war council or sending people on missions while in Haven. You're attending war councils and helping pick through the options that the members of the council bring to the table.

Read the options carefully and it's more like a non cut scene debate between those involved.

It's only after you become The Inquisitor that you call the war council to convene and dictate what needs to be done. At first they ask for your input, afterwards they await your commands.

Also, the Herald and Hesus comparison isn't the same. Jesus wasn't a leader of men, not did he have political or military agendas. He was, in the most strict of senses, a prophet and teacher. Take away his trappings in the Christian religion and that's what you get.

The Herald does have political and military goals to achieve, and if playing on his title of Herald helps him achieve those, he can.

[Shark17676]

Talk to Mother Giselle after you're anointed.  She'll explain why.

[Andres Hendrix]

Hey now! I'm a lucky Canadian bastard. I get lucky all the time. *high fives Iron Bull*