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Denuvo (DRM protection) broke SSD? Bioware please answer this!


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Starkatraz

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From subreddit post: http://www.reddit.co...with_denuvo_drm

 

So this text is basically a 1:1 copy of a post by facepunch user Korova:

"Resource monitors for RAM and CPU consumption numbers, memory viewer for trying to figure out what makes it tick and track address issues, SSD analysis tools for those delicious dead blocks and data tracking. Wanna know average number of times parts of LotF exe code are fcked around between RAM and HDD in the span of one hour? 150000 copy/write iterations. That's about 10000 times more than usual. DRM constantly decrypts the game code into the memory and encrypts it back. This is the most bull**** usage of encryption software I've ever stumbled upon. And even though code chunks are quite small (couple of kilobytes per go at worst), they are all stored in one memory block. And playing the game for 4-8 hours(depends on SSD quality) means that you can say goodbye to that block." Source: http://www.rpgcodex.....5#post-3599880

So check your install folder for Origin games. You might want to switch over to your hard disk drive with spinning iron plates instead of sacrificing the life of your solid state drive too early. Denuvo is also used by "Lords of the Fallen" and FIFA 15 so far. I think a lot of games will follow. Actually, this would be a good time for crackers to circumvent this protection method since Denuvo will actively destroy hardware over time. I am waiting for the first complaints and lawsuits due to destroyed hardware caused by Denuvo. Sony should probably put some money on the side for those lawsuits. Source: http://www.rpgcodex.....5#post-3599880

For anyone that isn't following this thing, Denuvo is a DRM that encrypts and decrypts itself while you play the game so it's extremely difficult to crack. If these numbers are true, SSD users are fucked and it isn't doing anyone any favors with their normal hard drives.

New information has come out

From a russian forum: "The game's read\write operations per 40 minutes resulted in 30 GB of data processed. The number of operations done is insane. SSD's wear level hasn't changed though, however, the load is EXTREMELY high, so after, say, 100 hours of gameplay memory blocks will definitely start to wear down."

Screenshot before/after:

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  • Games that use Denuvo
  • Dragon Age Inquisition
  • Lords of the Fallen
  • FIFA 15

Let's hope the list doesn't grow any longer.

Original thread

 

 

Seriously? What we should expect after dozen/hundred hours of gameplay? ssd/hardware's damage? For the time being we should avoid to install this game in SSD?? This new DRM is safe or not? I think a bioware's dev should answer this soon as possible!


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Farangbaa

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*sigh*

 

Facepalm and all that stuff.


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Jaizek

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I installed it on my SSD and no issues, if anything made it better. Might just need a fresh reformat on that drive....... you know good Ol' Fashion clean up.



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ButterRum

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I would be highly suspicious of this one person's report that the game RW up to 30GB/40 min. 

 

I'm pretty sure you can test it yourself while running the game and using ctrl + alt + del to check the processes going on in your hard drive. 

 

Or use perfmon.exe built into Windows 8: http://tweaks.com/wi...our-hard-drive/

 

It's scary how misinformation gets passed around so easily.



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PromisedPain

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Yeah, mine broke too. Actually I'm on my 5th SSD, damn you Denuvo!


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Pootmatoot

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I installed it on my SSD and no issues, if anything made it better. Might just need a fresh reformat on that drive....... you know good Ol' Fashion clean up.

 

 

I'm not sure you've grasped the issue here. Yes,  your SDD will give you much better loading performance.... but this DRM appears to be destroying its cycle-life.

 

Your SDD can only read/write so many times before it fails, but like a rechargeable battery. If this is doing what the OP says, it could chew chunks out of your drive in weeks rather than years.... which, for a 200 hour game with replayability, could be devastating for the life of your SDD.



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Please explain to me how a normal HDD could possibly run any of those games if this were true.



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Uakronkid

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This is very worrying, if true.



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KCMeredith

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This is very worrying, if true.

Well, its not, so don't worry.


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Uakronkid

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Well, its not, so don't worry.

Well, I don't see any proof either way right now, so I'll continue worrying.


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Exaltation

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DRM always increases the system requirements,performing various tasks against piracy in the background while playing,you won't have any problems on good/new hardware.
Also the waste of money on DRM increases the price of the product using it,without giving any actual results.

People always exaggerate piracy,yet GOG still runs,and i can't wait for The Witcher 3.

I heard GTA V gonna use Denuvo and that it won't have modding because of it.

DRM logic:


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This is the information I found about Denuvo.

 

http://forum.bioware...our-hard-drive/

 

 

The old thread was closed with the note that we can discuss the Denuvo protection if we have some solid numbers. Well, here you go.

 

I played Inquisition for one hour, running it from a dedicated SSD with it being the only application to run on or access that drive. Here are the results (F9 is the important entry here).

 

Before starting the game:

 

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After one hour of gameplay:

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You can disregard BB - it's caused by the changes Intel made to the error correction of the Sandforce controller firmware.

Also, the raw read/write numbers of the DAI executable:

 

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There was no other executable running beside it with significant read or write numbers. So overall DAI wrote about 70MB which are mostly if not all savegames (I save a lot   :P).

The 12GB of reading are simply game data since it obviously can't hold everything in the RAM (well, it could as a 64-bit application but that's not how engines usually work) and has to swap quite a bit.

 

Also, as for CPU and RAM usage - the game uses about 2.3GB RAM and slightly more than one core (i7 with HT active) which is perfectly fine for a game this size.

 

So there you have it. Denuvo does not fry your hard drive and neither does it have any noticeable impact on resource usage.

 

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helpthisguyplease

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Just use a freaking sada hdd that 30% increase in speed is to small for all those issues.



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Rannik

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Just use a freaking sada hdd that 30% increase in speed is to small for all those issues.

 

Magnetic drives? What is this? 2008?



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helpthisguyplease

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Magnetic drives? What is this? 2008?

You know that there are more sada hdd used then ssd and I do not see them having a problem.,



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Switching to console it seems.

 

2020 PCs:

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You know just incase the DRM that protects the DRM needs a "DRM" to protect it.

 

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Monitored DA:I exe for 2 hours, only 25 MB I/O writes which is perfectly acceptable, these are the save games...



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Etragorn

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I'm seeing absolutely no abnormal SSD activity above and beyond what I'd expect for any given program on Windows 8.1 Pro.