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[AceHalberd]

To anyone suggesting the use of a controller: No. The game is an RPG. It came from the PC. This is why DA:O's console controls were poor - for once, you guys got the bad port. No-one should be suffering poor controls, least of all the platform the most people are going to play the bloody thing on anyway.

For Bioware to botch this is beyond stupid. Things like this is why I think consoles hold back video games; they always need special concessions at the expense of every other platform and its capabilities. And it'll only get worse as this console generation ages.

[Blue_dodo]

 

BioWare,

I was one of the faithful, I suffered through Dragon Age 2, and hoped 3/Inquisition was going to be better - you'd promised me that it was. You promised me that it was going to be like Origins, and not the combat mess that 2 was. Well, with shitty controls, no real tactical combat, and a point and Diablo click with buttons, without being able to toggle auto run, or move with a mouse. You have delivered a steaming piece of ****. Absolute ****.

Are you guys happy with this steaming control mess that you've made? Are you happy knowing that you guys went from being my number 1 game design company, to the absolute worst company ever?

The fact that you somehow belched this control scheme into existence, that you made a complete mess of a game world that WAS SO PERFECT WITH DRAGON AGE ORIGINS. You turned a beautiful PC game, into Skyrim, without the controls, without the sense and feel of a tactical rpg, and whats worse was - you marketed it as a spiritual successor to DA1/O.

How you guys even call yourselves Bioware anymore, I have no idea. Thanks for ruining it, between this, ME3, and DA2 I've lost all faith in your company.

 

 

Dude no offense, but you make it sound like bioware was your girlfreind and she just got caught cheating on you.

 

well here is a really check to you and everyone else who has ever complained that "insert company has  "betrayed" you":

 

bioware owes you nothing okey ?, they are a company in the business of making profit okey ?

 

so just take a chill pill  eh ?

[Coyote X Starrk]

To anyone suggesting the use of a controller: No. The game is an RPG. It came from the PC. This is why DA:O's console controls were poor - for once, you guys got the bad port. No-one should be suffering poor controls, least of all the platform the most people are going to play the bloody thing on anyway.

For Bioware to botch this is beyond stupid. Things like this is why I think consoles hold back video games; they always need special concessions at the expense of every other platform and its capabilities. And it'll only get worse as this console generation ages.

 

Well this time around it was most probably aimed directly at the Consoles....

[Zandermill]

Bioware does owe me something Blue, they owe a loyal customer from the first days supporting their company.  I'm a repeat customer, and yes. Our relationship is symbiotic. I don't steal their games, I pay for them, and have supported them when they were just a pc only company. Now, they have only made X amount of dollars, but I keep coming back, keep buying their product, keep supporting them, and they in turn promise to continue to excel and provide quality entertainment. 
Their ability to overachieve in the past, has made me buy collector editions, or rebuy older editions of their games.

 

I was the first in line for Shattered Steel, and I have purchased everything this company has put out, sometimes with multiple copies. See, to me BioWare made the game concept that I love, and that is the isometric RPG. They perfected it. Dragon Age Origins was Nirvana for me. It took everything from PS:T, and BG, and all the games I spent hundreds of hours, playing and replaying and they made it perfect.  The controls were on, the game was vibrant and beautiful. It was glorious. 

To descend to this level, just goes to show, that BioWare doesn't care about their CORE customers. The people that financed them throughout the years. The people who ate up everything they and BlackIsle put out. Without people like me working to pay and buy their products, their wouldn't be console editions of their games. 

That's what hurts the most. The people who loved you guys from 95 to now, the people who really believed we were going back to a DA:O. This is just an utter let down. 
At the end of the day, I can't support you anymore BioWare. I'm going to beat this game, because Gamestop won't return it, than its going back into my library, where it will never see the light of day again. Unlike it's grandfather, who I still bust out to play to this day.

 

Oh well, their is always Pillars of Eternity. 

[Epyon5757]

To anyone suggesting the use of a controller: No. The game is an RPG. It came from the PC. This is why DA:O's console controls were poor - for once, you guys got the bad port. No-one should be suffering poor controls, least of all the platform the most people are going to play the bloody thing on anyway.

For Bioware to botch this is beyond stupid. Things like this is why I think consoles hold back video games; they always need special concessions at the expense of every other platform and its capabilities. And it'll only get worse as this console generation ages.

 

 

Combined console sales for DAI are projected to outpace physical and digital PC sales on something like a 60/40 ratio.  Keep in mind this is a projection, not an actual data point.  While PC might have more players than any INDIVIDUAL console, it's not going to the the choice for a majority of players.

 

There is no dominant platform for games anymore.  The developers (again, with a few exceptions) are focused on making the experience as similar as possible on as many different systems as possible to maximize sales and profit.  And that means that many PC gamers will need to consider buying (gasp!) a CONTROLLER to get the best experiences on games going forward.

[Han Polo]

I think anyone that has played this game on a PC knows they are being cheated out of a PC interface, controls and mechanics, but the game looks so damn good that we are still trying to enjoy the game.

 

My Bioware fan status and IQ is going down by the game.

I guess I should get a Console and stimulate the economy.

 

Dragon Age 2 and Mass Effect 3 started to show the new face of Bioware as EA pawns.

The  Love for developing, quality and innovation is made secondary to the Love of money making.

 

Dragon Age Origins was very good: amazing play mechanics, nice Interface, great story, a labor of Love you hoped could only get better.

Sadly they sold their Hearts to EA and started the long way down from quality to quantity to just profit.

I guess I was spoiled by the miracle of Dragon Age: Origins.

 

I could list all the obvious problems that everyone is listing, the disappointment from having dumb down mechanics for the Tactical game and a console Interface and control scheme that is not for PC, but I am pretty sure that Bioware knows all about it, and they knowingly gave us a wanna be PC product hoping the razzle dazzle graphics and fake reviews would keep us opening our wallets.

I guess it still works cause I bought the game, good on you mate, just remember all scams come with a price.

 

Having said that, this being my last Bioware game I play until they go back to having respect for PC Gamers and some pride.

I will try now to enjoy what actually still works with the game which is mostly the graphics and lore and I will for the last time put up with this new travesty of having a common interface for all platforms.

 

DAI is still a lot cheaper than going to the movies, where I would have to pay a lot more for 100 hours of mindless viewing.

Not what I expected DAI to be, I thought they had actually listened to people and gone back to greatness.

 

That's all Folks, dream on, game on!

[LEXX]

I can't believe "idiots" in here telling people to go buy a controller to play this game on their PC.  Many games on the PC have gone to crap now mainly the UI and mouse/keyboard controller because they also have to implementing it for the consoles.

[Echorion]

The lag, crashing, controls are the big three for me. If it did not have these problems I think I would enjoy it a lot.

[Epyon5757]

 believed we were going back to a DA:O. 

 

 

But you CAN go back to a DA:O.  It's called DA:O.  Games change from iteration to iteration - they do not remain static and unchanged.  Every entertainment medium changes as time goes on - games, movies, music.  They all change over time.  The consumer either adapts or finds something more to their liking.  Personally, I found the actual gameplay - the combat - to be lacking to a great extent in DA:O.  I enjoyed the game overall, particularly exploration to the extent it was allowed, and the character writing was decent and showed potential if the series continued.  I liked the writing and combat in DA2 much better, but loathed the recycled and tiny levels.  Both games had elements that led to a generally enjoyable experience, and flaws that could have been turnoffs to other gamers that have never returned to Dragon Age as a franchise.

 

DAI so far seems to have done a really good job merging the aspects of the two previous games that I found most enjoyable.  But to have the unreasonable expectation that a new game will essentially be a recycled version of a game that's 5 years old is ridiculous.

[Shelled]

I don't want to use an inferior crappy effin controller to play my PC games damnit.
 

Also this tactical cam is god awful compared to the dragon age origins cam. What on earth were they thinking? The farther you zoom out the less free motion you get. It's horrible, and it doesn't even zoom out that far at all.

[StingingVelvet]

 If you config the keyboard controls to treat it like an action game it plays much better with keyboard and mouse. Specifically I changed 'A' and 'D' to move right and left, rather than strafe, and I changed "interact" to the 'E' key. Some other random stuff too. Once you do this it plays like an other console action game ported to the PC, which is to say it plays okay, not great.

 

The real core issue is that it's an action RPG now and not a "CRPG," like Origins and even DA2 was.

[Sidian]

We would have purchase a console if we want to use a controller, PC is far better.

Controllers/gamepads are much better than keyboard + mouse for several genres like racing and action games.

I would not play Arkham City, Shadows of Mordor, Mark of the Ninja, Brothers: A Tale of Two Sons, Dark Souls 1&2 or Risk of Rain without a gamepad.

Most RPGs are better with keyboard and mouse though. DA:I indeed suffers from some problems there.

[StingingVelvet]

Controllers/gamepads are much better than keyboard + mouse for several genres like racing and action games.

I would not play Arkham City, Shadows of Mordor, Mark of the Ninja, Brothers: A Tale of Two Sons, Dark Souls 1&2 or Risk of Rain without a gamepad.

Most RPGs are better with keyboard and mouse though. DA:I indeed suffers from some problems there.

 

You're not really wrong, but I would guess a big part of the problem is that a lot of people only play RPGs, or only RPGs and strategy games, and thus those people would have no need for a controller. I would fall into this category if it weren't for SNES emulation.

[TheStrand221]

Controllers are great for a variety of games but keyboard and mouse work well for plenty of them, especially if the developers care to implement them correctly.  Shadows of Mordor plays great with keyboard and mouse.

[Sidian]

You're not really wrong, but I would guess a big part of the problem is that a lot of people only play RPGs, or only RPGs and strategy games, and thus those people would have no need for a controller. I would fall into this category if it weren't for SNES emulation.

But RPG and Strategy games (and shooters) are not the only genres on PC and it's wrong to claim that controllers are for consoles.

I bought one just for PC gaming.

[Coyote X Starrk]

I don't want to use an inferior crappy effin controller to play my PC games damnit.

 

Except it seems that in this case a controller works better than the keyboard and mouse. 

 

So of course if you don't like the controls you can complain and you have a right to do so, but its just harder to take you seriously when you acknowledge a fix yet you simply refuse to use it. 

[joejccva71]

To anyone suggesting the use of a controller: No. The game is an RPG. It came from the PC. This is why DA:O's console controls were poor - for once, you guys got the bad port. No-one should be suffering poor controls, least of all the platform the most people are going to play the bloody thing on anyway.

For Bioware to botch this is beyond stupid. Things like this is why I think consoles hold back video games; they always need special concessions at the expense of every other platform and its capabilities. And it'll only get worse as this console generation ages.

 

Your post is extremely arrogant and lacks intelligence.

 

The facts?

 

1. Consoles don't hold back video games.  Developers with time and budget constraints do.  Just an ignorant statement by you.

 

2. This game right now (before any patches come) works BETTER with a gamepad controller. I know people are upset because they don't want to have to use one, however it does in fact work beautifully with a controller.  

 

3. This game did not "come from" a PC.  Not exactly sure who fed this to you but it's false.

 

4. While PC's have their place, consoles are making WAY WAY more money in the gaming department.  I could post numbers if you like, but I feel like it will fall on deaf ears so I won't.

 

5. Gamers have usually the best of both worlds.  I for one have a decent gaming rig as well as a PS4 and I enjoy playing both, RPG or not.

 

6. Have patience padawan, the devs will probably patch the PC controls and you will feel like Dorothy on that yellow brick road once again.

 

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[goishen]

Combined console sales for DAI are projected to outpace physical and digital PC sales on something like a 60/40 ratio.  Keep in mind this is a projection, not an actual data point.  While PC might have more players than any INDIVIDUAL console, it's not going to the the choice for a majority of players.

 

There is no dominant platform for games anymore.  The developers (again, with a few exceptions) are focused on making the experience as similar as possible on as many different systems as possible to maximize sales and profit.  And that means that many PC gamers will need to consider buying (gasp!) a CONTROLLER to get the best experiences on games going forward.

 

 

That's fine.  And I'll stop gaming if this attitude becomes the norm.  

 

I'm not speaking from a "PC is the master race" place either.   Just controllers don't feel natural to me.  They feel like they're for little kids.  And I will not give SoE any of my money ever again.  I mean, hell.   After I got burned by EQ, I thought about going on a lifelong boycott of Sony.  Hell, I am on a lifelong boycott of Sony.  M$ is a little better, but not by much.

 

Trust me, I can find waaaaaaaaaay more important things to do than sitting here fighting with a controller.

[StingingVelvet]

I applied for and received an Origin refund for this game. I got to the town area of the Hinterlands after exploring the southern half for hours and the quests are just all terrible. The game feels and plays like an MMO with console combat. It reminds me very much of that Kingdoms of Amalur game, not Dragon Age. When someone asked me to go kill 10 sheep for sheep meat I immediately quit and got a refund.

 

I'll probably re-buy it down the road for $20 and see if I like it more then, but I don't want to pay $60 for an MMO style game like this. I find them very boring.

[goishen]

I think that's the point that I'm at.   Go, collect 10 bear asses.   Why?  'Cause I said so.

[joejccva71]

That's fine.  And I'll stop gaming if this attitude becomes the norm.  

 

I'm not speaking from a "PC is the master race" place either.   Just controllers don't feel natural to me.  They feel like they're for little kids.  And I will not give SoE any of my money ever again.  I mean, hell.   After I got burned by EQ, I thought about going on a lifelong boycott of Sony.  Hell, I am on a lifelong boycott of Sony.  M$ is a little better, but not by much.

 

Trust me, I can find waaaaaaaaaay more important things to do than sitting here fighting with a controller.

 

To be honest this just sounds like more PC snobbery to me with the whole "And I'll stop gaming if this attitude becomes the norm." 

 

Absolutely ridiculous.

 

Also EQ1 was amazing in it's time and I don't know your story behind whatever happened to you, but honestly I would expect people to say more about how they got burned by SWG over EQ.  EQ was a masterpiece in it's day.

 

Anyways, just be prepared that console gaming > PC gaming in gaming companies eyes.  It's where the money is.

[AlanC9]

When someone asked me to go kill 10 sheep for sheep meat I immediately quit and got a refund.

Couldn't you have just.... not killed any sheep?

[goishen]

To be honest this just sounds like more PC snobbery to me with the whole "And I'll stop gaming if this attitude becomes the norm." 

 

Absolutely ridiculous.

 

Also EQ1 was amazing in it's time and I don't know your story behind whatever happened to you, but honestly I would expect people to say more about how they got burned by SWG over EQ.  EQ was a masterpiece in it's day.

 

Anyways, just be prepared that console gaming > PC gaming in gaming companies eyes.  It's where the money is.

 

 

*facepalm*  EQ was a master....     Masterpiece?   *facepalm*   Whew.   Must resist talking about EQ, otherwise all that hate is just gonna build up and spill forth on these boards.  *double facepalm*

 

Anyway.  Hope you're right, and hope you have fun.  'Cause it sure as **** ain't gonna be me if this is the way the industry is going.

[Hulk Hsieh]

Bought the PC version. Not happy. Got refunded and will go buy PS4 version.

Will go Metacritic and give a 0 to the PC version.

[StingingVelvet]

Couldn't you have just.... not killed any sheep?

 

It's just an egregious example of how bad the questing is in the game. If you don't agree that's cool. 10 million people played WoW for a decade so obviously people like this stuff. I just don't.