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[naughty99]

BioWare,
I was one of the faithful, I suffered through Dragon Age 2, and hoped 3/Inquisition was going to be better - you'd promised me that it was. You promised me that it was going to be like Origins, and not the combat mess that 2 was. Well, with controls, no real tactical combat, and a point and Diablo click with buttons, without being able to toggle auto run, or move with a mouse. You have delivered a steaming piece of ****. Absolute ****.
Are you guys happy with this steaming control mess that you've made? Are you happy knowing that you guys went from being my number 1 game design company, to the absolute worst company ever?
The fact that you somehow belched this control scheme into existence, that you made a complete mess of a game world that WAS SO PERFECT WITH DRAGON AGE ORIGINS. You turned a beautiful PC game, into Skyrim, without the controls, without the sense and feel of a tactical rpg, and whats worse was - you marketed it as a spiritual successor to DA1/O.
How you guys even call yourselves Bioware anymore, I have no idea. Thanks for ruining it, between this, ME3, and DA2 I've lost all faith in your company.

I played DA2 with mouse and keyboard, entire game micromanaging every party member action in the paused tactical menu, and with the exception of some boss battles, generally the DA2 combat was more fun than DA:O for me, significantly more challenging on Nightmare.

The only problems I had with DA2 were more about the lack of quests, reused level maps, lack of exploration, etc.

Are you saying something has changed with the tactical combat for Inquisition, we can't play keyboard and mouse the same way we played DA2? Can you explain a little bit more what is different compared to DA2?

[Chari]

I played DA2 with mouse and keyboard, entire game micromanaging every party member action in the paused tactical menu, and with the exception of some boss battles, generally the DA2 combat was more fun than DA:O for me, significantly more challenging on Nightmare.

The only problems I had with DA2 were more about the lack of quests, reused level maps, lack of exploration, etc.

Are you saying something has changed with the tactical combat for Inquisition, we can't play keyboard and mouse the same way we played DA2? Can you explain a little bit more what is different compared to DA2?

Go to the feedback section and read the complaints
KB&M controls are a mess

[naughty99]

Go to the feedback section and read the complaints
KB&M controls are a mess

Can you elaborate on what is different compared to DA2?

[Chari]

Can you elaborate on what is different compared to DA2?

I am currently using a mobile phone so I can't make a really long post
This should explain everything http://forum.bioware...need-attention/
Read Brillobreaks' comment

[khariuade]

guys just want to be clear,is this guy pissed off over computer controls?, cant you just remap everything?

[TheRaccoon]

Apparently, they cannot remap combat controls to the mouse. This is why person are upset since this is always available in DAO and DA2.

[ReasonedPanic]

I feel the same way op. Dragon Age Origins reminded me of my days playing the original Baldur's Gate games. I loved the KOTOR style combat combined with the extremely good tactical view. I loved every part of the game. Then came DA2 in all its terrible glory. It retained none of the positive features of it predecessor. And now with DA:I I feel the same disappointment. I cant get past the horribad tactical view, awful mini map and loot system, clunky controls (no auto attack?) It doesn't feel like the game it should be. Feels like they switched plans halfway through. I can only hope mods come out and fix some of it for me. It just feels so EA; if that makes sense. I fear DA has just become another generic EA money maker franchise. Regardless ill finish the game, I owe DAO to see it through.

[diagorias]

I must admit the first few fights were a real pain, with the way they changed tactical cam ("I want more zoom!" or "Pause, no not jump, PAUSE!"), but changing key-bindings and getting used to it was the main thing to do. Now I am simply loving it, the companions are better than ever (the conversations are not necessarily static conversations), the story builds up really well and the exploring and scale is just huge.

[pasmith31]

So we've got Bioware's equivalent of a Rome 2 TW release then it seems? Are these guys trying to compete??

Harsh, I have over 1400 hours logged in Rome 2 TW and love the game. It may have something to do with the fact it works well with a KB/M and just feels natural much the way DAO and DA2 felt as well. I suspect I'll be lucky to get more that a dozen hours out of this game I'm at 5 hours now and hating the loot system, not having my toon move to an object or enemy when I click on them and I'm spending far to much time trying to find my mouse cursor.I can forgive many faults in a game provided the overall game is enjoyable with natural and intuitive controls.

 

But Bioware have made great KB/M games in the past I can only assume they didn't this time around because the company wasn't willing to spend the money required to make the KB/M experience worthwhile. Its just sad seeing what maybe a great game hidden behind such poorly designed KB/M controls and if I'll ever get to see it. Time will tell

[Bronson]

I don't get the game for another 12 hours so the following is only my observation of others.

 

I watched 5 streamers today. 2 played on NM the other 3 on normal.

 

All seemed happy with kbm and only 1 said that TAc cam sucked and from what i could see of their gameplay it seemed decent.

 

I doubt the hysteria is warranted but i'm sure there's also some valid concerns as well.

 

To be totally honest i think never having played a DA game before will be an adavantage as most of the complaints are from previous players disappointed things are not like they were or think they should be.

[Quibber123]

I don't get the game for another 12 hours so the following is only my observation of others.

 

I watched 5 streamers today. 2 played on NM the other 3 on normal.

 

All seemed happy with kbm and only 1 said that TAc cam sucked and from what i could see of their gameplay it seemed decent.

 

I doubt the hysteria is warranted but i'm sure there's also some valid concerns as well.

 

To be totally honest i think never having played a DA game before will be an adavantage as most of the complaints are from previous players disappointed things are not like they were or think they should be.

The problem with the tactical camera is it's rather hard to control and feels way too floaty and inaccurate. In DA:O it locked into an isometric view while also cutting off a ton of the scenery for that view to work and you could drag it around easily and switch between characters without it resetting. In DA:I it always feels too close or too far or off, as there is no "locking" and it freely can be zoomed in or out, and when you want to issue tactics to your different members switching to them pulls the camera on top of them. You also can't select more than one party member at a time and it's nearly impossible to seal rifts in the tactical mode.Trying to select things within it can be a challenge as well and a lot of the time your party members simply don't do what you really want them too. It is much easier to control with a controller though and honestly better with one. I don't remember if the kb+m controls allowed for the "hold to resume time" feature rather than double tapping the pause button (I switched to controller pretty fast) but it works quite well using the controller. (Also there's no accidentally pressing space to jump from muscle memory if you don't want to remap jump and pause)

[pasmith31]

Except it seems that in this case a controller works better than the keyboard and mouse. 

 

So of course if you don't like the controls you can complain and you have a right to do so, but its just harder to take you seriously when you acknowledge a fix yet you simply refuse to use it. 

What if the fix is just as bad as the fault its trying to address? I for one don't like using controllers. I guess 30 years of using a KB/M mouse makes me a little unwilling to change too what I found to be a more limiting and uncomfortable method of playing games. I just pray the controller doesn't reign supreme for 30 years before its de-throned. 

 

I kick myself though, common sense told me this would be just another poor console port and to stay clear but I didn't listen I enjoyed both DAO and DA2 to much not to give DAI a chance.

[Coyote X Starrk]

What if the fix is just as bad as the fault its trying to address? I for one don't like using controllers. I guess 30 years of using a KB/M mouse makes me a little unwilling to change too what I found to be a more limiting and uncomfortable method of playing games. I just pray the controller doesn't reign supreme for 30 years before its de-throned. 

 

I kick myself though, common sense told me this would be just another poor console port and to stay clear but I didn't listen I enjoyed both DAO and DA2 to much not to give DAI a chance.

 

You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but just because a game does not fit your own personal standards or preferences does it mean that the game is a bad game overall. It simply means that for you personally the game is a let down. 

 

I enjoyed DAO, DA2 and now I am enjoying DAI 

 

The game is a solid 10/10 for me so far (PS4) 

 

Have had only a single bug and it was fixed very easily. I prefer the manual control to the tactical way of playing. 

 

But again that is simply personal preference.

[NUM13ER]

Bought the PC version. Not happy. Got refunded and will go buy PS4 version.

Will go Metacritic and give a 0 to the PC version.

Thus proving just how broken the user review system is for metacritic.

[Bronson]

Just watched another streamer playing on NM and while the TAC cam wasn't perfect it worked most of the time and the combat seemed fine.

 

I think these severe criticisms are over reactions and mainly come from those with pre conceived ideas of how they think it should be.

 

Sure there's issues but not extreme like some are making out.

[Illyria God King of the Primordium]

Just watched another streamer playing on NM and while the TAC cam wasn't perfect it worked most of the time and the combat seemed fine.

 

I think these severe criticisms are over reactions and mainly come from those with pre conceived ideas of how they think it should be.

 

Sure there's issues but not extreme like some are making out.

Oh, but you forget.  They're just making legitimate criticism, whereas we are all 'fanboys/girls' defending our precious game to the last.  

[NUM13ER]

Just watched another streamer playing on NM and while the TAC cam wasn't perfect it worked most of the time and the combat seemed fine.

 

I think these severe criticisms are over reactions and mainly come from those with pre conceived ideas of how they think it should be.

 

Sure there's issues but not extreme like some are making out.

Hyperbole and exaggeration is the lifeblood of certain folks within the BSN. The type of people you'd expect to demand A&E treatment for a paper cut but strangely only act like this when behind a computer screen.

[Monica21]

It's just an egregious example of how bad the questing is in the game. If you don't agree that's cool. 10 million people played WoW for a decade so obviously people like this stuff. I just don't.

 

Sooooooo...... this means I won't get to see Cary Grant in threads anymore?

 

/shallow

 

And I wish I had more to contribute, but I haven't had time to play enough.

[Messi Kossmann]

I admit, they didn't market this game as DAO spiritual successor. And I originally was not going to get DAI. I was here on the Bioware forums for the shitstorm that went down after DA2 went down.

 

You had Bioware themselves shutting out their fans. Saying rude things to them. People were being banished and silence for negative feedback. You had people who thought DAO was boring think DA2 is amazing.

 

You think DA2 is amazing, when were stuck in Kirkwall the whole entire time, humans were the only playable race [what was the point of me moving my saved data from awakening and DAO to DA2 again, tell me?], same dungeons over and over again, rehashed dungeosn, and lackluster environment.

 

What they did market DAI as, is the game that said we listened to the fans.

 

I will admit I do thin DAI is a decent game. It is not a game that tells me they listened to the fans though. I am having fun. This was the game DA2 should have been and I probably would have been happier with it that way.

 

But DAI proves to me they learned nothing. 

I NEVER see any Bioware staff saying rude words for fans, even in Mass Effect 3 case.

And yes, ban user for negative feedback... yes of course, in a forum where you see only negative feedback and some kids saying nonsense.

[Messi Kossmann]

Yes, i play in PC and the controls seems strange. None tactical like DAO or Action like The witcher 2. I dont know if its the game itself or because i change my mouse+keyboard, but i think its for the game. 

So far, this is my only issue with this game.

[Silent Fear]

Go to the store and buy a gamepad controller.  The game works pretty amazing with one and I play it with that instead of the mouse/keyboard.

 

Why? 

 

Because I'm playing on a PS4.

 

Right couse why use the far supperior and much more precise kaybord and muse when we can use inferior controler ? 

But you know making a good PC port take's time and effort.

 

I trully dont want to be so negative ( looking at my post archive ) but by god its soo freaking hard to do so.

We were promised " game that we can play the way we want " - yet options upon options were taken from us - tactical options, controlls been a living horror, AI that somehow is even worst then DA:2, tac cam been usless and even worst. 

But the biggest problem is - knowing that BioWare can do epic games like DA:O,ME,ME2,ME3 and yet delivering such an unpolished and dumbed down game as DA:2 and DA:I. Thats what rubs me the wrong way. If it was some 3rd rate game developer doing its first baby steps i will live whit it ( probably just not buy the game ) - but they are not. They have reputation ( well at least had ) for quiality producs and good support for said products. But now - i just dont know anymore.

[mindw0rk]

Can you elaborate on what is different compared to DA2?

 

I liked DA2 combat alot, mostly played the game thx to challenging fights on nightmare. And I dont lik combat in DAI at all.

The issue is that in tactical camera your view is very limited, you cant zoom out as high as in DA2, cant easily select whole party. Its painful and slow to give orders when using it. So I use normal view but there you have another issue - no autoattack means you have to click all attacks manually which feels really bad for most classes.

 

In DA2 I was happy to see good fights since it was fun and challenge on nightmare.

In DAI it feels like annoying distruction. I lowered difficulty to normal just to kill everyone fast and be on my way. Quickly respawning enemies all across the map is also terrible idea. You dont feel progress through the map, when patrol you just killed reapears again in few minutes.

[yankblan]

Can't speak for the KB/M vs controller thing (PS4 here), but I think the nostalgia thing over Origins is a bit much.  I went back and played it along with DA2 to keep me from going insane until release.  I remember just loving Origins.  But playing it again, I found a lot of stuff I didn't care much for; one of which is the ability tree, and the ability themselves.  The skill stuff was fun and gut wrenching to choose depending on your class (Combat, lock pick, potion making, etc).

 

But playing as an archer is absolutely horrible, the mage spells are blah (cones? really?); and these 2 classes are supposed to be ranged, but a lot of abilities are for close range.  The aiming is abysmal; there should be auto-aim especially for basic attacks.

 

Having to go through the Circles of Magi stuff again was a pain (mouse/fire/golem/spirit).  And playing DA2, that tactical cam removal stuff who drives everyone crazy is BS.  You can still pause the game, yeah you can't pan the camera, but you can pause and order and release, rinse, repeat.

 

The only thing I'd like added to tactical cam HERE, is stack orders.  Especially when I move my rogue, I would like the ability to send him in, drop caltrops.  Now I have to move him, then order the caltrops.  Not a deal breaker in any form though.

[joejccva71]

Right couse why use the far supperior and much more precise kaybord and muse when we can use inferior controler ? 

But you know making a good PC port take's time and effort.

 

I trully dont want to be so negative ( looking at my post archive ) but by god its soo freaking hard to do so.

We were promised " game that we can play the way we want " - yet options upon options were taken from us - tactical options, controlls been a living horror, AI that somehow is even worst then DA:2, tac cam been usless and even worst. 

But the biggest problem is - knowing that BioWare can do epic games like DA:O,ME,ME2,ME3 and yet delivering such an unpolished and dumbed down game as DA:2 and DA:I. Thats what rubs me the wrong way. If it was some 3rd rate game developer doing its first baby steps i will live whit it ( probably just not buy the game ) - but they are not. They have reputation ( well at least had ) for quiality producs and good support for said products. But now - i just dont know anymore.

 

I'm going to try to refrain from being a jerk here but you're being extremely negative almost to the point of annoying.  First things first, I have a PC.  I built it recently and it's a 4790 quad core 4.0ghz with a GTX 970 4gb twin frozr video card but I also have a PS4 and I chose to play THIS game on my PS4. 

 

So yes, I have both systems.

 

And you weren't promised anything that Bioware hasn't delivered.  Check the reviews.  Out of the 7 reviews I've read and watched by Eurogamer, GamesRadar, PCGamer, IGN, Gamespot, etc., they have ALL given the game either a 4 out of 5 or a 9 out of 10.  I think IGN gave it an 8.8 I believe.  Can't remember.  The reviews are pouring in and they are saying the game is GREAT.  I've played the game, and I'm having a blast.

 

Take this for what it is.  I can't even believe people are crying wolf and saying "Bioware lied to me, this game isn't delivering what they promised.'

 

I just can't even....

[bsimpso5]

No auto-attack and it being a pain to switch targets easily in melee are my two major combat complaints. The tac cam is a bit clunky, but you can move it off screen...still seems like it should zoom out, more. Using the Quiz Medallion (I can't believe how that got ripped off Witcher 2) is a pain, as is not automatically going to an object that is selected/having a longer loot range. But, otherwise the PC controls are a bit clunky at first, but I got used to them after a couple hours. Ranged combat is pretty fun, and the characters backup without turning around in combat, which is a plus. That and I love being able to disengage and not drag enemies very far.