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[Chashan]

Do not read anything that gives a 0/10. I don't care if the game is literally unplayable for the reviewer - it is clear enough that it works for most people on most computers, and a 0/10 is nothing to waste your time on.

 

Be skeptical of 10/10s. That should be a rare score and you shouldn't feel badly about passing over these reviews. Often they are 10/10 'to offset the 0/10s' but that shouldn't matter.

 

Anything from 4-9/10 may be worth spending your time and consideration on

 

The good thing about the current user review score average is that it might have Bioware perking up about just how many complaints there are about the PC version. PC players may be a fraction of your audience but they are also many of the loudest. Don't half-ass a PC version and its controls. Come on.

 

By all rights, the quantity of players on a platform the game is available on should be irrelevant when it comes to this. Expecting the game to be optimized for the default, most common input-method of a platform should be a given irregardless.

 

After all, suggesting that the best solution for a user of a specific console were to use KB/M for a certain game would hardly be acceptable either, would it.

 

 

 

Otherwise, agreed on this:

User reviews and professional reviews are both worthwhile in their own way. If it wasn't for user reviews I never would have known about all the PC problems with stuttering, SLI/crossfire support and bad controls. If it wasn't for Professional reviews a lot of the best parts of the game might have gotten lost in the noise. 

 

I get the feeling that a few people that dismiss user scores so easily are just angry that they didn't match their own feelings, like with DA2. Not universally of course, there are a few good reasons to not trust all user reviews (or all professional reviews even moreso), but a good portion.

 

both professional and user reviews have their raison d'être. Although, if I personally had to choose between an overly critical, well-formulated* review and one that is devoid of that, one that does tackle problems at length I find a lot more useful and informative.

 

*This being key. A one-liner that merely states where on the scale a game is at on either of its extreme ends is not terribly useful, true.

[Giantdeathrobot]

Do not read anything that gives a 0/10. I don't care if the game is literally unplayable for the reviewer - it is clear enough that it works for most people on most computers, and a 0/10 is nothing to waste your time on.

 

Be skeptical of 10/10s. That should be a rare score and you shouldn't feel badly about passing over these reviews. Often they are 10/10 'to offset the 0/10s' but that shouldn't matter.

 

Anything from 4-9/10 may be worth spending your time and consideration on

 

The good thing about the current user review score average is that it might have Bioware perking up about just how many complaints there are about the PC version. PC players may be a fraction of your audience but they are also many of the loudest. Don't half-ass a PC version and its controls. Come on.

 

The big problem with user reviews usually arise if the game has any controversial features, I found, or has something that strongly dissatisfies a particular fandom. because then its ratings get bombed to oblivion. So yes, in your examples as soon as the PC port isn't the best, which I'll gladly admit it's not, you have people screaming in rage. I mean, docking points because the PC controls are poor is definitely not a problem, but saying it completely ruins the entire game, 0/10? Holy mother of hyperbole.

 

And anyway, I'm pretty sure one cannot write an honest review of a game this big on launch day, even with the 12 hours allowed to PC gamers via VPN. At best every user score so far is a first impression at best, and yes that also counts those who rate it 10/10 with little comments. I've been using my days off and playing like a madman, 15 hours in thanks to the VPN head start, and I've not even got past the first big story choice. There's absolutely no way anyone without a review copy can have a complete overview of the game when it's not even been a day since official release.

[Torrential]

There are some valid points, fairly poor PC UI, absolutely terrible medium graphics hair textures, they look like glue (I turned it up to high, do so immediately on the characters at least, it hasn't hurt my performance). Transition from tactical to third person needs some work, it really does it isn't smooth. You can actually get the camera stuck on higher/lower ground for example.

Pretty much everything else there is subjective, seems there are some launching bugs which people are using as a reason to review the game negatively.

 

I am personally enjoying the story, feeling like a building force against a sea of chaos. I haven't got far enough in to let you know what I really think but the first 10 hours or so were interesting. Do I agree it could have used some more early momentum, yes, even if I liked the idea that I wasn't this all powerful godlike leader in the first 5 hours of my experience, it could have still used a larger opening event in the early hours of play (though i am told it is coming).

Some of the characters are rounded, some are flat archtypes. Calling all of them either/or at this point is too much of a judgment to make. 

 

Combat, for me, is better than 2 but still doesn't match DA:O Why? Well it's better than 2 in that my companions make sensible choices depending on the tactics I set, and it feels like part of a team action. Warriors are a bit overpowered imho, (or mages underpowered) but maybe mages get better as time goes on. It is slightly worse than DA:O, mostly because of the tactical combat transition feeling very awkward, the UI not quite blending right on the PC (small UI icons and I can't zoom in as far to the action), also the somewhat limited options you have at your disposal for skills - limited to 8.

I would also agree that anyone giving a game a 0/10 isn't really thinking through what they are saying, I usually say the same about a 10/10. That said metacritic is a very fast and very quick way to gauge problems, and potential feedback for anyone.

[Elhanan]

User feedback is always useful. If having the game control exactly like Origins, or having top-notch PC performance is a big deal for someone, then yeah it's useful that people point out those are flaws in the game.
 
What's useless is stuff like the Metacritic user scores. Score systems are just bad in general but the fandom wars of ''0/10, **** sucks'' vs ''10/10, perfect game'' are just embarrasingly stupid and a waste of time. Unfortunately I'm pretty sure the scores have more impact on a game's reputation and people's spending habits than actual, constructive feedback.

User reviews could be useful, if they actually came from Players. But since one does not have to own or play the game to participate, this by itself spoils the results. Add in skewed algorithms, and same day reviews, and there is little left there worthy of merit. Personally, recommend Amazon or other Player sites where ownership is required to review and score.

[dlux]

Lots of fanboyism in this thread. 

 

Kepp up the good work, troops. Keep on fighting those falling Metacritic scores! 

[Elhanan]

Lots of fanboyism in this thread. 
 
Kepp up the good work, troops. Keep on fighting those falling Metacritic scores! 

I readily admit I am a self-proclaimed Bioware fanboy; does not invalidate my opinion, nor the evidence of an unworthy critique site. Plus, I feel better as a fan rather than a hater, but that is again, only my opinion....

[Torrential]

Lots of fanboyism in this thread. 

 

Kepp up the good work, troops. Keep on fighting those falling Metacritic scores! 

 

If you are referring to me, I don't even understand the term.

 

'Fanboy' for having an opinion, wonderful, absolutely useless term.

[Rodulv]

I enjoyed DragonKnight's metacritic review

 

In my opinion, this is the best RPG in the modern gaming world. Excellent work, Bioware. Under the glorious enlightenment and guidance from EA, a game publisher with precise long-term vision in future game development, Bioware finally manages to make a RPG suitable for everyone, but not just a game accessible only to a minority of hardcore RPG players.

 

 

[JimBlandings]

I readily admit I am a self-proclaimed Bioware fanboy; does not invalidate my opinion, nor the evidence of an unworthy critique site. Plus, I feel better as a fan rather than a hater, but that is again, only my opinion....

 

Yes it does.  Fanboys can not look at things objectively.

[Torrential]

Yes it does.  Fanboys can not look at things objectively.

Great so now we have your own dismissal of other people's opinions as 'insert useless label here'

 

And added to that we now have you insulting other people who don't have your opinion collectively.

Insanity.

NB if you can't see the irony in your own post, I hope that helps.

[Elhanan]

Yes it does.  Fanboys can not look at things objectively.

That appears rather prejudicial. Because one is a fan of a gaming company does not negate their opinion any more than one that is skeptical of said company. But one that reviews a game that has neither purchased or played it does invalidate the pool of votes, especially if that pool allows such non-Players to participate.

[Wissenschaft 2.0]

Lots of fanboyism in this thread. 

 

Kepp up the good work, troops. Keep on fighting those falling Metacritic scores! 

 

Meh, doesn't matter. People hated on DA: origins and I loved it. And despite its problems DA 2 was still fun. DA 3 turns out to be everything I wish DA 2 was and yet the haters are still bashing dragon age. Not shocking. lol

 

I did predict before that there were going to be a ton of troll 0/10 scores when the game came out and I was right. lol

[Britcorp]

I think much of the criticism on Metacritic is justified.

 

This feels like the weakest offering in the series 10 hours in.

[JimBlandings]

Great so now we have your own dismissal of other people's opinions as 'insert useless label here'

 

And added to that we now have you insulting other people who don't have your opinion collectively.

Insanity.

NB if you can't see the irony in your own post, I hope that helps.

 

I didn't label him a fanboy, he called himself that.  If you call yourself a fanboy you need to accept the negative connotations that word brings.

[Wissenschaft 2.0]

I think much of the criticism on Metacritic is justified.

 

This feels like the weakest offering in the series 10 hours in.

 

LoL, weaker than DA 2. I find comments like these hard to believe as anything more than trolling.

[Britcorp]

LoL, weaker than DA 2. I find comments like these hard to believe as anything more than trolling.

Much weaker.

 

The combat is much much worse early on. Use one ability and then spam left mouse button while you wait for mana/stamina to recharge.

 

The pacing and flow is non-existent in this game compared to DA 2. DA2 immediately grabbed me. DAI feels like I'm playing an mmo, running around collecting x of this and killing x of this. I can't even think of one interesting quest in the game so far.

[Torrential]

I didn't label him a fanboy, he called himself that.  If you call yourself a fanboy you need to accept the negative connotations that word brings.

 

Who decides these connotations you?

Him?

Me?

The next poster?

Labels covering large groups of people are utterly meaningless, especially when they have nothing physical to actually define or bind them.

[Torrential]

Much weaker.

 

The combat is much much worse early on. Use one ability and then spam left mouse button while you wait for mana/stamina to recharge.

 

The pacing and flow is non-existent in this game compared to DA 2. DA2 immediately grabbed me. DAI feels like I'm playing an mmo, running around collecting x of this and killing x of this. I can't even think of one interesting quest in the game so far.

 

 

DA2 Combat was utterly terrible it was just mash AOE and that's it, it is a decent upgrade in that respect.

 

Don't do the fetch quests if you want to skip them, i've skipped many.

 

[aMetzgermeister]

Why do people care so much about other people's opinions? It's so trivial. Some people like it, some people don't.

I personally enjoy it, there are some faults, don't get me wrong, but I have enjoyed the game.

If "insert forum name" is living in the past glory days of bioware, and hates the game, I'm still playing the game and enjoying it without caring what that person thinks.

[Britcorp]

 

 

DA2 Combat was utterly terrible it was just mash AOE and that's it, it is a decent upgrade in that respect.

 

 

 

I can't see how spamming the left mouse button is better than DA 2 combat. At least with DA2 you were using multiple abilites, not 1 ability and the left mouse button.

[CasbynessPC]

Metacritic does a good job of balancing out EA's "don't trust anyone's opinion but your own - BUY the game and make up your own mind (bwahahahahah, fools)" message. Without one or the other, the universe would implode.

 

The only reviews worth reading are the ones that actually go into detail and explain key gripes or wonders the reviewer has found. Stuff like "whoa, you can't kill Leliana ever!", or "the Xbox 360 graphics look like the VCR loading screens from Alien: Isolation!". Useful stuff.

[Bugsie]

User reviews and professional reviews are both worthwhile in their own way. If it wasn't for user reviews I never would have known about all the PC problems with stuttering, SLI/crossfire support and bad controls. If it wasn't for Professional reviews a lot of the best parts of the game might have gotten lost in the noise. 

 

I get the feeling that a few people that dismiss user scores so easily are just angry that they didn't match their own feelings, like with DA2. Not universally of course, there are a few good reasons to not trust all user reviews (or all professional reviews even moreso), but a good portion.

Yeah you're right about  not trusting all reviews.  I think its a matter of discerning the negative scores that are 'useful' from those that are pure trolling.  Same goes for any entertainment - books, movies, games.  Taking books as a good example, I often see reviews of books rated as one star that aren't a review of the book but the author and their personal views, not helpful at all, but a good one star review will tell you what they didn't like about it, what didn't work for them and you can take that away from the review with - mmm their first point isnt a deal breaker for me, but the second point they made, yeah doesn't sound like the kind of book I'd enjoy.

[dantares83]

besides, crazy people giving 0 is just blah.

 

no game deserves 0, especially not 1 with such extensive lore. oh by the Maker, i hope these people and may Andraste burn their sorry a**.

[mikeymoonshine]

Are we really having a discussion about whether should trust day one 0/10 user reviews, for the game that came after DA2 and ME3?

[Bugsie]

Why do people care so much about other people's opinions? It's so trivial. Some people like it, some people don't.

I personally enjoy it, there are some faults, don't get me wrong, but I have enjoyed the game.

If "insert forum name" is living in the past glory days of bioware, and hates the game, I'm still playing the game and enjoying it without caring what that person thinks.

I think its more a case of not wanting to invest time and money into something they won't enjoy.  I don't necessarily subscribe to the 'just play it and see' if you feel reluctant about the game in any way.  This is why people put trust in other's opinions so they can decide whether the game/movie/book is really for them.