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[Tevinter Soldier]

Nerd Hipsters.. Im getting too old for such weird things

 

and im 27 ...

 

well i'm 29 so i'm probably using antiquated terms.

[narsnail]

It is an EXTREMELY loud and vocal minority, very minor. Most of these people didn't play past the prologue, which just proves how childish, unintelligent, and mostly how mad these people are. Lets make it clear. There will NEVER be DAO:2, and that's all these entitled whiners want.

[dlux]

There will NEVER be DAO:2, and that's all these entitled whiners want.

Not surprising, seeing that it is the only good Dragon Age game.

[Beltan]

What is the opposite of trolling?  I'd like to do that.

[narsnail]

Haha Baldurs Gate as your pic, we know what type of entitled crowd you think your part of.

[dlux]

Well, Baldur's Gate 2 is also the best game of all time. OF ALL TIME. And it's a Bioware game too.

 

But I can also have a blast by playing Shadow of Mordor or GTA or something similar. I love to mash buttons on my 360 controller too if the game is good.

 

 

So, you were saying?

[Wissenschaft 2.0]

I told you guys, I knew it. I did say I fully expected that when the game comes out, there will be a bunch of 0/10 scores given to DA: I, because you CAN NEVER FORGIVE BIOWARE FOR DA 2 and ME 3. ALSO, SCREW EA! RAWR!

Yup, just as expected. lol

[narsnail]

Point out where I said BG2 isn't a good game? You still think your owed something, which you are not.

[Lennard Testarossa]

Mostly because of combat.

 

While I, too, have a distinct feeling I'll dislike almost all changes Bioware has made to combat compared to DA:O, I doubt the combat is going to be 'bad' on an absolute scale or compared to some of their earlier games.

 

People always think of Baldur's Gate 2, but one shouldn't forget that they also made Neverwinter Nights and KotOR. I'll be absolutely amazed if they managed to make the combat in DA:I worse than the combat in those two games.

[dlux]

I told you guys, I knew it. I did say I fully expect that when the game comes out, there will be a bunch of 0/10 scores give to DA: I, because you CAN NEVER FORGIVE BIOWARE. ALSO, SCREW EA!. RAWR!

Yup, just as expected. lol

Don't worry, Bioware will try and sort things out. Again. 

 

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[RenegadeRoy]

Well, Baldur's Gate 2 is also the best game of all time. OF ALL TIME. 

 

[Tevinter Soldier]

Would you say that the games produced by Bioware after EA took charge, are better than the games produced before?

 

I think ME2 was pretty much the best game they have ever made, personally i didn't like the direction they took by moving towards a more traditional shooter but none the less, objectively its a much better game in terms of mechanics, game play and certainly story.

 

I also think that DA:II was a pile of ****, while ME3 story was hamfisted. (due to a change in personal and the stupidity of designing a trilogy without at least the main frame work completed for the overall series plotted out) but otherwise still strong it didn't have any MAJOR issues gameplay or mechanics wise.

 

Just because i have a personal gripe with the direction the developers take with a game doesn't make it a bad game, I have the mental facilitates to objective review a game.

 

So far only DA:II was worse then games they made prior to E/A while the poor story for ME3 let down an otherwise great game. 

[Tevinter Soldier]

Don't worry, Bioware will try and sort things out. Again. 

 

Dragon Age II Metacritic User Reviews Padded By BioWare Employees

 

pity you missed the point of the article.

[Semipro]

I'm sure the real fans (like me and you) appreciate Bioware's effort in making this incredible game

 

I don't hate DA:I and I definitely haven't panned it with a ridiculous 0/10 rating anywhere. But I feel your statement is simply not accurate.

 

BioWare has made some of the greatest games ever made..period. A lot of the "real fans" as you like to put it know that and the downswing in BioWare's quality of development since DA:O is a very real thing. ME3 was a real thing...it was a good game with some bad decisions behind it. DA2 was a real thing, it was a relatively good game with some extremely rushed and lazy design behind it. TOR is a real thing, its an unfortunately subpar WoW clone that can only really even be recommended as a single player experience that costs a monthly subcription.

 

The fact that people get upset with BioWare is not from some kind of moronic, undirected, completely unwarranted internet nerd rage. Its from real disappointments and from watching a developer we love fall off the pedestal they earned with the games they built their legacy on.

 

So in all fairness a lot of the people that get angry at BioWare are just as much "real fans" as you are, and in many ways, potentially even more "real" fans than fans that refuse to even speak an ill word of BioWare and will accept whatever they do without question.

 

I respect what BioWare does, I respect the work they do, I respect that they are trying to get back to being the great studio that they used to be....I'm just not convinced they're going to get there at this point. And being upset about that isn't wrong....cause there isn't another company that does things like BioWare, they're special, their games are unique gems in the industry and their fall from grace isn't because the fans are ungrateful, its because the fans are watching the studio slowly kill itself and are horrified by it.

[Bhaal]

Redemption takes time, there are a lot of hate and anger linger still. Also metacritic balances itself out in time and i believe user reviews will be something between 7-8.

[Bugsie]

User reviews of meta critic?  Can I laugh out loud now??

 

Gamers are the worst trolls ever for this sort of system on both sides of the spectrum.  Better to find a reviewer who's reviews you trust (because past games they've had similar views to you - good/bad) - I take the same system for movie and music reviews, take a reviewer who likes similar things - more often than not its a good measuring stick as to whether a game is for you, whether you like it, or whether the bugs/story/gameplay will break the game for you.

 

So far I've seen a few trusted reviewers say how good the game is, but they weren't above calling out some of the issues including the controls and difficulty they had adjusting to them, the frame rate in some scenes being jarring (compared to the overall gorgeousness of the world) and getting used to the crafting system which seemed confusing for them (but said with time they'd likely 'get it')

 

Saying you hate this game because of DA2 and ME3 is a bit silly to me, a bit like saying I hate the Avengers because I didn't enjoy the Incredible Hulk movies.

[Morroian]

I respect what BioWare does, I respect the work they do, I respect that they are trying to get back to being the great studio that they used to be....I'm just not convinced they're going to get there at this point.

 

I don't think they will, IMHO the issues are more related to changes in personnel since EA took over. The downturn in the DA franchise can clearly now be traced back to Brent Knowles leaving and his replacements, I didn't want to admit it at the time of DA2 but with DAI its pretty clear. The writers are still pretty much the same and the strength of the franchise remains the characters and writing, its everything else. I will probably enjoy DAI when I can play it but it looks like it will solely be due to the writing.

[Epyon5757]

I disagree.

 

DA:I is the first Bioware game that I quit after a few hours and have absolutely no interest in playing anymore. If you ask me, then DA:I is actually the only really bad game that Bioware has ever produced, because ME3 and DA2 were actually mildly entertaining despite their blatant faults.

 

That is just my opinion though. To each their own.

 

You quit a 200 hour game where the MAIN story takes anywhere from 65 - 80 hours to complete after MAYBE 7 or 8 hours playing, where numerous reviews say full enjoyment of the game doesn't start occurring until 15 hours or so into the game.

 

Nice job.  Perhaps COD would be better suited for your rather immediate gratification need.

[Lennard Testarossa]

where the MAIN story takes anywhere from 65 - 80 hours to complete after MAYBE 7 or 8 hours playing

 

Just as a side note:

 

Virtually all review sites I've seen commenting on this said it's more like 30 hours including all necessary side quests to gain power.

[Semipro]

You quit a 200 hour game where the MAIN story takes anywhere from 65 - 80 hours to complete after MAYBE 7 or 8 hours playing, where numerous reviews say full enjoyment of the game doesn't start occurring until 15 hours or so into the game.

 

Nice job.  Perhaps COD would be better suited for your rather immediate gratification need.

 

Again in polite counter, DA:I does attempt to cater to an immediate gratification need.

 

You are immediately placed into contact with Leiliana. This establishes your connection to your previous game backstories, it was designed that way on purpose, as a case of immediate gratification...a distinct sign of "Look its your Dragon Age again!".

 

You are then immediately partied up with Varric, potentially the most likable character BioWare has designed in the last ten years or so outside of Alistair.

 

You are then, after barely any real discussion, immediately thrust into combat...combat that is slightly frustrating, inaccurate and weird as far as the control scheme goes.

 

Thats all immediate gratification, so calling someone out as having a COD attention span because they immediately noticed things about the game they knew they weren't going to enjoy is a little unfair....most of what the game is about is put right in your hands within the first five minutes of playing it. Granted it opens up and gains more depth the further you go in...but still. Its not hard to decide...pretty much immediately, that the combat style just isn't going to be fun to play, because you're immediately thrown into that system.

[Savber100]

Oh definitely. 

There has been a group since DA2 that felt like Bioware betrayed them and have posted the inane reviews on that site. 

And do you know what? Those people have damaged Bioware more than EA ever would have. They bash without cause over a small offense that a company no longer makes games for THEM. 

It's sad, really. 

[Epyon5757]

Again in polite counter, DA:I does attempt to cater to an immediate gratification need.

 

You are immediately placed into contact with Leiliana. This establishes your connection to your previous game backstories, it was designed that way on purpose, as a case of immediate gratification...a distinct sign of "Look its your Dragon Age again!".

 

You are then immediately partied up with Varric, potentially the most likable character BioWare has designed in the last ten years or so outside of Alistair.

 

You are then, after barely any real discussion, immediately thrust into combat...combat that is slightly frustrating, inaccurate and weird as far as the control scheme goes.

 

Thats all immediate gratification, so calling someone out as having a COD attention span because they immediately noticed things about the game they knew they weren't going to enjoy is a little unfair....most of what the game is about is put right in your hands within the first five minutes of playing it. Granted it opens up and gains more depth the further you go in...but still. Its not hard to decide...pretty much immediately, that the combat style just isn't going to be fun to play, because you're immediately thrown into that system.

 

 

I will disagree with your statement that they are catering to an immediate gratification need in this game, but I will defend your right to have a different opinion.

 

I have played games that were far, far worse in their control schemes, and always rebound to something that either suited me or that I could adjust to pretty easily.  Playing this game with a controller helps, though.

[largejack1000]

What's interesting about the metacritic user reviews is the tiny number of mixed reviews in there. It's either 10 or 0, that might tell us a thing or two? You can't just jump from 0 to 10 on such a scale without being contrived somehow.

[Semipro]

Oh definitely. 

There has been a group since DA2 that felt like Bioware betrayed them and have posted the inane reviews on that site. 

And do you know what? Those people have damaged Bioware more than EA ever would have. They bash without cause over a small offense that a company no longer makes games for THEM. 

It's sad, really. 

 

Well in all fairness who is BioWare supposed to make games for? Themselves? That hardly requires multi-million dollar budgets, I make games for myself all the time in Unity and Ogre3D....it costs me nothing but time.

 

I think long term fans have a right to be BioWare fans just as much as people who enjoyed DA2 and so on. I'm one of those slightly weird fans that goes all the way back to Baldur's Gate but I see the "good" parts that were in DA2 and ME3 and try not to judge BioWare too harshly for them.

 

But if BioWare isn't making games for all its fans, and just a small contingent of them, then why spend so much money, time and effort?

 

You can't just cast off an offended part of your fan base as unsolvable...especially if the reason they're upset with your products is in direct response to what you, as a company, have decided to do, and how your corporate culture has changed as the years have gone by.

 

Everything changes, and I don't think anyone truly expects DA:O 2 or Baldur's Gate 2 or anything of the type. I think most fans that are truly upset with BioWare just want to see them stop putting out games that are shadows of their former glory. I think they're upset with BioWare's development culture being altered by EA's obsession with serialized release schedules, multi-player products, social media footprints and franchisable properties and feel that much of what BioWare has done since DA:O has been influenced in ways that don't follow in line with the ethics that BioWare was built on.

 

In my opinion, trying to get upset fans to embrace your company again is just as important as expanding the potential market reach of your products....but then again...I am not a corporation, I am just a person. But I just wanted to say that I don't think its fair of a good chunk of what is left of the BSN community to sit here and act like the people that left the BSN are bad people that BioWare shouldn't care about....and that BioWare should only develop games for YOU...not the fans they lost in the last five years.