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[lastpawn]

Since there's no documentation on how things work, we'll have to test this out on our own, I think.

 

EDIT: OK, lots of good info.

 

Basically, there are 4 primers: STUN (Warriors only), SLEEP (Rogues only), FREEZE (Mages and Tempest Rogue), PARALYZE (Mages).

 

There are 3 detonators: IMPACT (Warriors and Rift Mages), PRECISION (Rogues only), ELDRITCH (Mages and Templar Warriors).

 

And primer + any detonator is a combo. For outcomes of these combos, see thrones6 post just below. The short of it is that not all combos are made equal.

[thrones6]

• Rupture: Heavy damage over time, ignoring armor

• Shatter: Heavy cold damage

• Discharge: Strong electric damage to all nearby enemies

• Nightmare: Strong damage and causes panicked status

• Weakness: Strong damage and causes weakness status

• Basic combo: Moderate bonus damage

 

Cross-Class Combos

 

Warrior stun: Impact Detonator (Warrior, Basic combo),

                      Precision Detonator (Rogue, Rupture),

                      Eldritch Detonator(Mage, Weakness)

 

Rogue sleep: Impact Detonator (Warrior, Rupture)

                      Precision Detonator (Rogue, Basic combo), 

                      Eldritch Detonator(Mage, Nightmare)

 

Mage Freeze: Impact Detonator (Warrior, Shatter)

                       Precision Detonator (Rogue, Shatter), 

                       Eldritch Detonator(Mage, Basic Combo)

 

Mage Paralyze: Impact Detonator (Warrior, Discharge)

                         Precision Detonator (Rogue, Discharge), 

                         Eldritch Detonator(Mage, Basic Combo)

[lastpawn]

Whoa. That's a wealth of information. Where is it from?

 

If I'm reading this right, if a Mage Paralyzes, then a Rogue uses a detonator, we get Discharge -- strong electric damage to all nearby enemies.

 

So...

 

Panic is not a valid effect to detonate.

 

Cross-class combos are superior to same-class ones.

 

Interesting.

[thrones6]

Whoa. That's a wealth of information. Where is it from?

 

If I'm reading this right, if a Mage Paralyzes, then a Rogue uses a detonator, we get Discharge -- strong electric damage to all nearby enemies.

 

So...

 

Panic is not a valid effect to detonate.

 

Cross-class combos are superior to same-class ones.

 

Interesting.

 

Exactly!

 

I have the prima guide

[zeypher]

wait so a warrior with templar spec can detonate his own stun? wrath of heaven followed by spell purge for a eldritch detonator

[Boboverlord]

wait so a warrior with templar spec can detonate his own stun? wrath of heaven followed by spell purge for a eldritch detonator

I guess you are correct. But the spell purge is non-damaging on its own...

[thrones6]

http://forum.bioware...specialization/

 

All abilities and specializations available.

[Guurzak]

http://forum.bioware...specialization/

 

All abilities and specializations available.

 

That's nice but this thread is about detonations, not class specializations.

[brazen_nl]

Trying to grok the table. What combination gives Rupture, for instance?

[Vehementi]

Any rogue detonator ability used on a warrior stunned person, or any warrior detonator ability used on a rogue stunned person.

[Talented Mr. Shhhstorm]

http://forum.bioware...specialization/
 
All abilities and specializations available.

That's nice but this thread is about detonations, not class specializations.

Actually, that helps a lot because you can see in those charts exactly which abilities can be used as detonators.

[Guurzak]

Here's my draft of the list of abilities which match the descriptions above. Let me know if it looks like I missed anything.

 

Warrior Stun

• Pommel Strike (2HW)
• Sweet Revenge (W+S)
• Give Them The Boot (Battlemaster)
• Wrath of Heaven (Templar spec)

Rogue Sleep

• Stunning Shot (Archery)
• Knockout Powder (Subterfuge)
• Knockout Bomb (Assassin spec)

Mage Freeze

• Winter's Grasp (Winter)
• Mana Surge (Winter)
• Ice Storm (Winter)
• Ice Mine (Winter)
• Flask of Frost (Tempest Spec)

Mage Paralyze

• Lightning Bolt (Storm)
• Static Cage (Storm)
• Static Charge (?) (Storm)

Impact Detonator

• Lunge and Slash (W+S)
• Mighty Blow (2HW)
• Whirlwind (2HW)
• Stonefist (Rift Mage spec)

Precision Detonator

• Twin Fangs (Double Dagger)
• Deathblow (Double Dagger)
• Long Shot (Archery)
• Shadow Strike (Subterfuge)

Eldritch Detonator

• Spell Purge (Templar spec) (?)
• Mind Blast (Spirit)
• Dispel (Spirit)
• Energy Barrage (Storm)
• Immolate (Inferno)
• Spirit Blade (Knight-Ench spec)

(updated)

[lastpawn]

 

Here's my draft of the list of abilities which match the descriptions above. Let me know if it looks like I missed anything.

 

Warrior Stun

• Pommel Strike (2HW)
• Give Them The Boot (Battlemaster)
• Wrath of Heaven (Templar spec)

Rogue Sleep

• Stunning Shot (Archery)
• Knockout Powder (Subterfuge)
• Knockout Bomb (Assassin spec)

Mage Freeze

• Winter's Grasp (Winter)
• Mana Surge (Winter)
• Ice Storm (Winter)
• Ice Mine (Winter)

Mage Paralyze

• Lightning Bolt (Storm)
• Static Cage (Storm)
• Static Charge (?) (Storm)

Impact Detonator

• Lunge and Slash (W+S)
• Mighty Blow (2HW)
• Whirlwind (2HW)

Precision Detonator

• Twin Fangs (Double Dagger)
• Deathblow (Double Dagger)
• Long Shot (Archery)
• Shadow Strike (Subterfuge)

Eldritch Detonator

• Spell Purge (Templar spec) (?)
• Mind Blast (Spirit)
• Dispel (Spirit)
• Energy Barrage (Storm)
• Immolate (Inferno)
• Spirit Blade (Knight-Ench spec)
• Stonefist (Rift Mage spec)

 

 

I think you missed...

 

Sweet Revenge (S&S) for Warrior Stun.

 

That's all I see atm.

[yankblan]

I've played two previous installments, and all I know is Winter's Grasp and long shot to shatter.  No idea about all the others.

 

So from what I see, rogues only have sleep "spells", no stun attacks like previous years?

[Butters158]

wait so a warrior with templar spec can detonate his own stun? wrath of heaven followed by spell purge for a eldritch detonator

Rift mage has an impact detonator, so a Rift mage can set off their own paralyze/ freeze as well

[lastpawn]

Rift mage has an impact detonator, so a Rift mage can set off their own paralyze/ freeze as well

 

Great catch. I didn't notice that until now.

 

Suddenly the Rift Mage became a lot more interesting!

[Lamppost In Winter]

Tempests can freeze opponents. Anybody know if that's a valid primer for a shatter? It would make sense, since the other two classes both have specialisations with detonators outside of their class.

[Scoutyo]

Tempests can freeze opponents. Anybody know if that's a valid primer for a shatter? It would make sense, since the other two classes both have specialisations with detonators outside of their class.

 

Yup.  According to the Prima guide, it's a valid primer.  

[Wissenschaft 2.0]

I guess you are correct. But the spell purge is non-damaging on its own...

 

Upgraded, spell purge will do 600% weapon damage when it dispells an effect like barrier. So when fighting demons or mages with barriers, Cassandra can detonate her own combo for some pretty hefty damage. Just have her stun an enemy with barrier and cast an upgraded spell purge on them. Enjoy the extra damage and weakness status on the enemy.

[lastpawn]

Tempests can freeze opponents. Anybody know if that's a valid primer for a shatter? It would make sense, since the other two classes both have specialisations with detonators outside of their class.

 

Very cool. Still ONE second isn't a whole lot of time to pull off a combo.

[Nhyt Fahl]

Very cool. Still ONE second isn't a whole lot of time to pull off a combo.

Which is why they gave us the "freeze the action to set up your combos" button. (IIRC, they call it "Tactical Camera", or some such)

[lastpawn]

Which is why they gave us the "freeze the action to set up your combos" button. (IIRC, they call it "Tactical Camera", or some such)

 

Yes. But the difficulty is that Tempest's freeze is reactive. You have to wait for the enemy to hit you first. Makes it more challenging to pull off.

[TheInvoker]

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[SomeoneStoleMyName]

 

• Rupture: Heavy damage over time, ignoring armor

• Shatter: Heavy cold damage

• Discharge: Strong electric damage to all nearby enemies

• Nightmare: Strong damage and causes panicked status

• Weakness: Strong damage and causes weakness status

• Basic combo: Moderate bonus damage

 

Cross-Class Combos

 

Warrior stun: Impact Detonator (Warrior, Basic combo),

                      Precision Detonator (Rogue, Rupture),

                      Eldritch Detonator(Mage, Weakness)

 

Rogue sleep: Impact Detonator (Warrior, Rupture)

                      Precision Detonator (Rogue, Basic combo), 

                      Eldritch Detonator(Mage, Nightmare)

 

Mage Freeze: Impact Detonator (Warrior, Shatter)

                       Precision Detonator (Rogue, Shatter), 

                       Eldritch Detonator(Mage, Basic Combo)

 

Mage Paralyze: Impact Detonator (Warrior, Discharge)

                         Precision Detonator (Rogue, Discharge), 

                         Eldritch Detonator(Mage, Basic Combo)

 

Im confused... you have listed the detonators. But I still cant see how they work. Same with the cross class descriptions. You have listed what they are but not HOW to use them and which skills together causes the effects >.<

For example, how do I know what abilities that utilize shocked enemies for a combo etc.

Sorry if Im just stupid I just dont see how this information explains all the ability combos

[WillieStyle]

Yes. But the difficulty is that Tempest's freeze is reactive. You have to wait for the enemy to hit you first. Makes it more challenging to pull off.

Not really. With upgraded flask of frost, enemies in melee range are constantly getting frozen. And who does a dual daggers rogue attack with his combo-detonating special attacks? Enemies in melee range. Just using abilities like you normally would, you'll end up triggering quite a few shatter combos "for free". Especially if you have dual-bladed daggers for their AoE murder spree goodness.