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[treky3000]

i am also a dragon age fan that woz looking forward to inquisition but ps3 browser dont work on dragon age keep so i get no history and thats put me off buying the game at all

[rikaroo]

You can't exit origin. Just like Steam it has to run

True, but you can play in offline mode,,,just like steam, but you have to disconnect from the internet during play with Origin.

[Sartoz]

I have a wonderful, simple but powerful Windows Firewall Comtrol program Ifree by the way).

Select HIGH and all internet activity is blocked. You can still play the game and Origins cannot be closed.  I turn WFC back to Medium Filtering when I want Origins to sync my data.

[Kantr]

Orr put origin in offline mode?

[AlanC9]

i am also a dragon age fan that woz looking forward to inquisition but ps3 browser dont work on dragon age keep so i get no history and thats put me off buying the game at all

And you have no access to any other internet browser?

[Penarddun]

I understand the OP's views on this and feel the same way. I will not agree to the Origin EULA and will not install Origin onto my computer.

 

I am disappointed I will not play Dragon Age: Inquisistion. Two of my best friends are playing it now on xbox and I would have loved to join them. I loved DA:O so much that not only did I purchase a hardcopy for myself but I wanted others to experience it as well so I bought several copies and literally gave them out as party favors for a while. I financially support games that I love.

 

However, I am not interested in using any sort of mandatory platform to play any game. It is a matter of principle. I did try Steam years ago but decided it was not something I was interested in using and uninstalled it. However, it is nice that some of the games buyable through them do not have any drm and can be played even after you uninstall steam. This makes Steam slightly above the other options in my eyes.

 

I can't help but feel disappointed in the gaming community as a whole for putting up with these types of policies and actually handing money over. It seems like as the years go by more and more people just accept the status quo. Sure lots of people complain on the forums, but very few talk with their wallets. Most cave and buy the game anyway.

 

I have never installed Origin or UPlay and do not intend to. I realize this will limit me on the games I can buy now and in the future. But I am okay with that. I cannot encourage the usage of these mandatory platforms and other drm by giving money to a publisher that implements and foces them onto their customers. That is sending the wrong message. I was very tempted to buy the xbox version of DA:I, but again it would be supporting a company whose policies I morally object to. For those that are okay with this, good for you! You get to play DA:I. I do not.

[Jeradon]

I would not be so stringent, and while I accept that registration may be necessary,   I am not impressed by the prerequisite to register on the Origin Portal in order to install the game. I was perfectly OK with the install process in the previous games which offered registering and enrolling to the bioware social network as an option .

[The Verno]

Origin isn't a political party or anything, I buy the few games I care about on it and don't run it otherwise.  For better or for worse the nature of gaming has changed and while I appreciate your stance, I fear you're not going to be doing a lot of gaming in the future.

[AlanC9]

I can't help but feel disappointed in the gaming community as a whole for putting up with these types of policies and actually handing money over. It seems like as the years go by more and more people just accept the status quo. Sure lots of people complain on the forums, but very few talk with their wallets. Most cave and buy the game anyway.
 

It's worse than mere acceptance. From what I've see, lots of folks positively like using Steam as a way to manage their game collections. Once you've got good always-on broadband, getting away from the whole disk paradigm makes sense.

[Sylvius the Mad]

It's worse than mere acceptance. From what I've see, lots of folks positively like using Steam as a way to manage their game collections. Once you've got good always-on broadband, getting away from the whole disk paradigm makes sense.

If only Steam let you install whatever version of the game you wanted, rather than forcing you always to have the current one.

Origin does the same thing. Forced patching is not okay.

[Etragorn]

If only Steam let you install whatever version of the game you wanted, rather than forcing you always to have the current one.

Origin does the same thing. Forced patching is not okay.

You know you can turn that off, right?

[Blue_Shayde]

This is going to really suck when the Origin servers meet their end one day and I find myself still wanting to play DAI.

[Sylvius the Mad]

You know you can turn that off, right?

Except you can't. You can only disable future updates; updates that were released in the past are always installed with your game.

So you can only avoid all patches if you preload the game, and you're never allowed to test patches to see what they do because you can't rollback (and reinstalling always gives you the current version).

[crusader_bin]

Or don't use Origin? Outcome: http://outcome.nofate.me/

I use it to start the game, because Origin hacks the game process to disable english language subtitles. I run Origin after game started If I want multiplayer.

 

Game without Origin loads faster... And doesn't crash anymore (still can freeze in main menu, but rarely, and with Origin - always, unless I disable one of 4 cores on CPU for the time I stay in main menus).

 

So... Yeah...

 

EA...

[Etragorn]

This is going to really suck when the Origin servers meet their end one day and I find myself still wanting to play DAI.

Don't worry, the encryption and Origin dependence will be broken by then.

[Etragorn]

Except you can't. You can only disable future updates; updates that were released in the past are always installed with your game.

So you can only avoid all patches if you preload the game, and you're never allowed to test patches to see what they do because you can't rollback (and reinstalling always gives you the current version).

I wasn't aware of that. You're right, that really does suck.

[Ryokosoft]

Hello, and to the OP but doesn't Origin collect metadata from its users (when, what, how long, platform, buying habits, social sites you use, and stuff) and sell it to 3rd party (trusted 3rd party, lol) for profit per a gamesindustryinternational.com article? at least per when it was written. 

Does Origin still collect data and sale it now or has that changed? 

And doesn't Origin use a bit of RAM and resources running in the background -decreasing performance even if only slightly?

I have a nice gaming rig but really only play pc games like Wasteland 2, divinity OS, aarklash, red banner, blackguards, etc but they do not come with any kind of background software - that I know of. I have used Steam which is listed as a safe program, but I still keep it block in firewall, it too uses resources in background. I think my wife bought this game for me for Christmas for ps4 but would also like to play this game on pc some day. 

I am not paranoid and do not think people with blacksuits are watching me, but I do know metadata collection is one of the largest profit areas of the gamesindustry - being able to have the entire history of an xbox live user from the time they started an account to the grave, with all of their buying, watching, social, gaming history, movie/tv watching, search history - is worth a lot of money to many industries- I personally just feel uncomfortable with giving up that much of myself to a hobby i love called gaming. 

[juntalis]

It's really nice seeing that there's still gamers who value their principles over entertainment. While I share the OP's annoyance at the growing trend of packaging games with useless software, (why does every company feel the need to create a new "platform" for the distribution of their software?) I felt like the following needed to be pointed out: we're not paying game companies to own a copy of their games; we're paying game companies to license a copy of their games. That's not going to change, (and there are plenty of legitimate reasons why it shouldn't) so you can usually pre-answer questions like, "is it legal for me to circumvent X" with "no". Software licenses will continue to grow more and more one-sided as long as they continue to be responded to with mindless consumerism. Since that response is a bit louder in the video game industry compared to other software industries, (game companies are successfully selling 4-byte memory changes on PSN for $5) I don't have much hope of that changing any time soon. As a result, taking a stand based solely on the packaging of a game is a bit of lost cause at this point. (A lost cause that I'll most likely be taking a similar approach to, by the way)

 

Honestly though, I'm more concerned with how increasingly one-sided the licenses surrounding the usage of video game consoles is becoming, given that our purchase of hardware should grant us ownership and with that, freedom to use the product as we see fit.

[DVLEsq]

Today is a good example of the problem with no offline mode. I finally have time to sit down and play some DA:I and it appears the Origin login servers are down. No login, no play. Which is ridiculously unfair. I had wanted to play on a long flight the other day - a flight with no internet access. I ended up sleeping, instead, but clearly I wouldn't have been able to play. Part of the reason I bought the physical version rather than an electronic download was that I was hoping to avoid this problem... 

[Ryokosoft]

Same problem, the above person commented on.  I was about to install and play the game - and their was so many hoops to jump through I finally gave up, glad too because my wife bought the game for me on Black Friday on the ps4 - it is just awesome, graphics amazing and scope also. I usually do not have my consoles hooked upto internet so it does not lag me when raiding. And have not once had a problem playing a game. But my friend, brother in law who works same shift as me (get off work 7am) encounters non-stop down times or server maintenance issue, server update issue, server down, or isp issue.. we cannot tell which.

YEs he gets to play the game, but not on his timetable, but when ORIGINS decides to let him. He did say he started firewall blocking EA ORIGIN, and blocking self updating which has helped alot with access to the game. 

Cmon EA, it is a single player RPG, not Call of Duty or WoW. 

[In Exile]

Today is a good example of the problem with no offline mode. I finally have time to sit down and play some DA:I and it appears the Origin login servers are down. No login, no play. Which is ridiculously unfair. I had wanted to play on a long flight the other day - a flight with no internet access. I ended up sleeping, instead, but clearly I wouldn't have been able to play. Part of the reason I bought the physical version rather than an electronic download was that I was hoping to avoid this problem... 

 

That doesn't make sense. Origin does have an offline mode. 

[Madelin]

Hello, and to the OP but doesn't Origin collect metadata from its users (when, what, how long, platform, buying habits, social sites you use, and stuff) and sell it to 3rd party (trusted 3rd party, lol) for profit per a gamesindustryinternational.com article? at least per when it was written. 

Does Origin still collect data and sale it now or has that changed? 

And doesn't Origin use a bit of RAM and resources running in the background -decreasing performance even if only slightly?

I have a nice gaming rig but really only play pc games like Wasteland 2, divinity OS, aarklash, red banner, blackguards, etc but they do not come with any kind of background software - that I know of. I have used Steam which is listed as a safe program, but I still keep it block in firewall, it too uses resources in background. I think my wife bought this game for me for Christmas for ps4 but would also like to play this game on pc some day. 

I am not paranoid and do not think people with blacksuits are watching me, but I do know metadata collection is one of the largest profit areas of the gamesindustry - being able to have the entire history of an xbox live user from the time they started an account to the grave, with all of their buying, watching, social, gaming history, movie/tv watching, search history - is worth a lot of money to many industries- I personally just feel uncomfortable with giving up that much of myself to a hobby i love called gaming. 

Wow, that is paranoia... I mean, if its like Steam, I believe the metadata they collect are your game time, origin game collection, choice of product you buy on origin. Its downright ridiculous to track your activities outside their interest (that intersect with yours as their customer;)

[Zilliman]

What you have failed to acknowledge is that Origin client requires Administrator access to install. Which begs the question, why? Why does it need to access and to modify my OS system files? Why does it need to have access to other users' files on the same computer? Nothing, ever, should require Administrator privileges, unless it is some sort of Operating System tool. 

 

Why the Hell do I have to surrender my computer's safety and switch to administrator, just to install Origin? It is just a game. It should not need access to the admin account. 

 

For those of you who do not understand the difference, when you run Windows under administrator, you can pretty much screw up the whole PC, you can screw up other user's data (if there are multiple users of the PC), you can and *will* get infested with viruses and trojans. Running under administrator is like driving without the seatbelt on at 120mph in the dark and with your headlights off. Basically you are asking for trouble.

 

If you run as a user, nothing bad can happen as nothing has access to the system files or to other users' files. Even if you catch a virus, it will affect your account only, not the whole PC.

 

But Origin requires you that you swap over to administrator, and that is horribly suspicious. 

 

There are two possible reasons:

 

1) they are completely incompetent. They have no clue what they are doing. They call themselves programmers but in reality they cannot program themselves out of a for loop.

2) they are malicious. They want to have access to ALL the files on your computer, even System files and files from other users, so they can snoop and peek and know what ever is happening on your PC. They want to monitor everything else that is installed and all the processes that are running on your computer.

 

I leave it up to you to decide what the reasons are.

[Meave]

I agree with OP somewhat, but arguments that @Zilliman made (post above this) are just speculations, if they wanted, they could make such scanning part of the game and they wouldn't need Origin for that.

 

The need of origin is simple, so far even if you had to register you game with some company online and then you would play offline, pirates would just pick these info and made the game think it's registered even tho it wouldn't be.

 

When you have to validate the game upon every launch there is no way around it. Since none was able to crack this so far (I think they're trying like 6months with Fifa game) I bet this is the future of gaming. Every game even single player would require Origin or equivalent and for that internet connection.

[bclagge]

For those of you who do not understand the difference, when you run Windows under administrator, you can pretty much screw up the whole PC, you can screw up other user's data (if there are multiple users of the PC), you can and *will* get infested with viruses and trojans. Running under administrator is like driving without the seatbelt on at 120mph in the dark and with your headlights off. Basically you are asking for trouble.

 

If you run as a user, nothing bad can happen as nothing has access to the system files or to other users' files. Even if you catch a virus, it will affect your account only, not the whole PC.

 

 

Well OMG why didn't anybody tell me?!  And here I've been running my PC as administrator for who knows how long.  I should probably get my computer some antibiotics and an air bag.