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[Kantr]

It's really nice seeing that there's still gamers who value their principles over entertainment. While I share the OP's annoyance at the growing trend of packaging games with useless software, (why does every company feel the need to create a new "platform" for the distribution of their software?) I felt like the following needed to be pointed out: we're not paying game companies to own a copy of their games; we're paying game companies to license a copy of their games. That's not going to change, (and there are plenty of legitimate reasons why it shouldn't) so you can usually pre-answer questions like, "is it legal for me to circumvent X" with "no". Software licenses will continue to grow more and more one-sided as long as they continue to be responded to with mindless consumerism. Since that response is a bit louder in the video game industry compared to other software industries, (game companies are successfully selling 4-byte memory changes on PSN for $5) I don't have much hope of that changing any time soon. As a result, taking a stand based solely on the packaging of a game is a bit of lost cause at this point. (A lost cause that I'll most likely be taking a similar approach to, by the way)

 

Honestly though, I'm more concerned with how increasingly one-sided the licenses surrounding the usage of video game consoles is becoming, given that our purchase of hardware should grant us ownership and with that, freedom to use the product as we see fit.

Licence is the way of the future. If you hate platforms like Origin why do you like Steam? Does that mean you dislike Desura and GoG's plan for it's own platform (without DRM)

 

What you have failed to acknowledge is that Origin client requires Administrator access to install. Which begs the question, why? Why does it need to access and to modify my OS system files? Why does it need to have access to other users' files on the same computer? Nothing, ever, should require Administrator privileges, unless it is some sort of Operating System tool. 

 

Why the Hell do I have to surrender my computer's safety and switch to administrator, just to install Origin? It is just a game. It should not need access to the admin account. 

 

For those of you who do not understand the difference, when you run Windows under administrator, you can pretty much screw up the whole PC, you can screw up other user's data (if there are multiple users of the PC), you can and *will* get infested with viruses and trojans. Running under administrator is like driving without the seatbelt on at 120mph in the dark and with your headlights off. Basically you are asking for trouble.

 

If you run as a user, nothing bad can happen as nothing has access to the system files or to other users' files. Even if you catch a virus, it will affect your account only, not the whole PC.

 

But Origin requires you that you swap over to administrator, and that is horribly suspicious. 

 

There are two possible reasons:

 

1) they are completely incompetent. They have no clue what they are doing. They call themselves programmers but in reality they cannot program themselves out of a for loop.

2) they are malicious. They want to have access to ALL the files on your computer, even System files and files from other users, so they can snoop and peek and know what ever is happening on your PC. They want to monitor everything else that is installed and all the processes that are running on your computer.

 

I leave it up to you to decide what the reasons are.

What an idiotic statement. It needs admin to install files to a protected section (program files) and make registry entries. Disable UAC and it won't require admin.

 

Installing Steam? Requires Admin. Installing a game? Requires admin. Installing Itunes? Requires Admin.

 

 

Refusing to buy the game because it requires origin is nuts. Refusing to buy a game because it requires Uplay I can understand.

 

Before Msoft discontinued it you had the even worse GFWL.

[Etragorn]

Running in administrator mode is only dangerous if one has no idea what they are doing, otherwise it is harmless.

[juntalis]

Licence is the way of the future. If you hate platforms like Origin why do you like Steam? Does that mean you dislike Desura and GoG's plan for it's own platform (without DRM)

 

If you're going to put words in my mouth, you could at least taken the time to read what I wrote and twist some words out of context to suit your argument. Nowhere in my post did I say anything about DRM being bad, nor did I say anything about "hating platforms like Origin". (You'll note I said, "useless software", which I'll expand on in a sec) I also never mentioned Steam anywhere in my post, but you're not completely wrong in your baseless assumption, since I actually don't mind Steam that much. I sort of get the impulse you seem to have to try to turn this into some sort of fanboy contest, but I'm not really interested, as I don't really feel any sort of favoritism towards Valve. If Valve suddenly decided to change Steam, or if they created a new platform that only distributed games from a single publisher, I'd have no problem describing it as "useless" just like Origin.

 

Then again, given that there are gamers unironically saying things like, "Licence is the way of the future." with no further explanation, maybe EA's not too far off-base with this approach. With that level of independent thought in your user base, forcing them onto a platform that sells only your games is pretty much a guaranteed profit increase.

[Kantr]

If you're going to put words in my mouth, you could at least taken the time to read what I wrote and twist some words out of context to suit your argument. Nowhere in my post did I say anything about DRM being bad, nor did I say anything about "hating platforms like Origin". (You'll note I said, "useless software", which I'll expand on in a sec) I also never mentioned Steam anywhere in my post, but you're not completely wrong in your baseless assumption, since I actually don't mind Steam that much. I sort of get the impulse you seem to have to try to turn this into some sort of fanboy contest, but I'm not really interested, as I don't really feel any sort of favoritism towards Valve. If Valve suddenly decided to change Steam, or if they created a new platform that only distributed games from a single publisher, I'd have no problem describing it as "useless" just like Origin.

 

Then again, given that there are gamers unironically saying things like, "Licence is the way of the future." with no further explanation, maybe EA's not too far off-base with this approach. With that level of independent thought in your user base, forcing them onto a platform that sells only your games is pretty much a guaranteed profit increase.

What I meant by licence is the way of the future is (not because I want it to be that way) but with steam and origin you don't own the game physically.

 

I'm not sure where you got fanboyism from

[Xhaiden]

I only install origin for a month or so once every couple of years when a new Bioware game comes out.

 

Its like a particularly mild form of herpes.

[Piszi]

Today is a good example of the problem with no offline mode. I finally have time to sit down and play some DA:I and it appears the Origin login servers are down. No login, no play. Which is ridiculously unfair. I had wanted to play on a long flight the other day - a flight with no internet access. I ended up sleeping, instead, but clearly I wouldn't have been able to play. Part of the reason I bought the physical version rather than an electronic download was that I was hoping to avoid this problem... 

I can't remember how many times happend similar to this with me when ME3 came out. At the time when ME3 was out I had constant net connection issues because of my ISP. And the most annoying thing was when I was playing and lost internet connection the game notified me that I won't be able to access downloadable content. I was like "WHAT???" I payed for them and my copy of the game is already activated (I bought a phisical copy) all the dlc's are installed trought Origin so why? (BW/EA told us before launching ME3 that Origin is only required for activating the game [once] they never said that you will need non stop connection)

Why can't game companies use lets say a localy stored certificate like some https sites using for authentication which tells the game everithing is fine. Ok I get it. It's easy to duplicate a certificate but I'm sure that there is a better way than requiring non-stop internet access.

I think it's pretty unfair to limit your rights if you don't have internet access.

 

 

[off]

And why the hell aren't my DA badges (icons) showing up under my name like for others???

[Sumit 1989]

Hello ,

My name is Sumit Chowdhury a dragon age fan for a long time. Recently I am facing problems about importing the saved games through the keep. I am a big fan of the game series , I have played the game it's awesome but due to the saved games not importing into the world state It's pretty much useless . So my request is can anybody guide me about how to import the saved files and how to log in through the game it is just happening all those you tube videos not helping at all. so a humble request please help..

Thank you

[Junebug]

 

You have to Export the data (on the menu on the right) before you start a new game in Dragon Age: Inquisition. On Character Creation (the tarot cards at the beginning), it should ask you if you'd like to Import your tapestry from the Dragon Keep. And I think it should already have you logged in from your Origins client so you don't have to worry about that part.

[Domiel Angelus]

There are dozens of games now that require you to use some sort of online component even in single player games. Its something they do it mainly to cut corners so they can auto-update when something is broken instead of fixing it before the game ships. Its also to help cut down on piracy but since people are A.) Lazy and B.) Spiteful it tends to create more pirates because they don't want to deal with having to log into a secondary service every time they want to boot their single player product. In games that deal strictly with the multiplayer experience I can understand needing a platform to launch from, but when all you want to do is murder bandit solo, it should never be needed.

 

I still remember how annoyed I was over being forced to log into Steam to install Skyrim when I bought it in the Anthology. 

[Lord Raijin]

SMH.... And here is when I start to defend Bioware from stupidity. Don't you guys know how to read? On the box of Dragon Age Inquisition specifically said that it is required for an additional software (Origins) to be installed in order to play the game. Knowing this you still purchased the game knowing that you have to install Origins... You come here and complain about it... showing how paranoid that you are by thinking that Origins is some kind of malware/Trojan horse that will infect your hard drive with tracking devices.

 

 

I have a simple solution... READ the box prior to purchase. If you do not agree with what is written on it.... DON'T buy it. It's just that simple.

[Kantr]

There are dozens of games now that require you to use some sort of online component even in single player games. Its something they do it mainly to cut corners so they can auto-update when something is broken instead of fixing it before the game ships. Its also to help cut down on piracy but since people are A.) Lazy and B.) Spiteful it tends to create more pirates because they don't want to deal with having to log into a secondary service every time they want to boot their single player product. In games that deal strictly with the multiplayer experience I can understand needing a platform to launch from, but when all you want to do is murder bandit solo, it should never be needed.

 

I still remember how annoyed I was over being forced to log into Steam to install Skyrim when I bought it in the Anthology. 

You can never fix every bug pre-releases. There simply aren't enough QA testers to do so.

 

Platforms like steam and Origin remove the costs of having servers to put down updates. That's if they chose to fix the bugs.

[Exaltation]

www.gog.com

BioWare games are the only games i buy that have DRM,otherwise i only purchase from GOG.

 

Next month The Witcher 3 comes,so just wait.

[Endurium]

*skims thread*

 

While it sucks having front ends hogging disk space, I'll take Steam, etc., over the old days of having to have a CD in the drive in order to start a game. I keep forgetting about this with some of my older games, like DA:O CE which is on DVD.

[Terodil]

Somebody took a class level in necromancer.

[craigdolphin]

I also won't install origins because I will not accept their EULA/TOS. I refuse to give EA the right to unilaterally decide to change the terms in their EULA/TOS such that if I object to them  in the future I will lose the right to play the games that I purchased when the TOS were more acceptable. I also despise the forced arbitration clause that guts any chance of class action lawsuits if EA breaches any of their obligations such as protecting your personal details from third parties per their privacy policy, or if they do anything negligent, nefarious, or malicious that would be considered an abuse of consumer rights. If they preserve my right to play the games I paid for even if I someday refuse to agree to a TOS/EULA for the origin client, then I'll possibly reconsider my stance.

 

Until then, I just buy a secondhand copy for console. Console to avoid the origin client BS. Secondhand as a fiscal protest vote against the management decision to make their origin client mandatory instead of optional.

 

As for Steam...do not even get me started. Gabe and I will have words one day. WORDS!

[Rappeldrache]

WAHHHHHHHHHHH till the last Update of Origin my MSI Afterburner don't want to record Videos anymore ...... WAHHHHHH