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[AshesEleven]

It is hard to see positives when the game crashes after 5-10 minutes of playing, shows the black screen instead of a game, has a terrible, impossibly terrible PC controls which pretty much forces one to use a gamepad (and no, that is not okay. If I wanted to play with a controller I'd buy a console, not PC. I play PC because KB&M controls) etc etc

I don't see much people being unreasonable about their complains. The worst I saw was a post about some EA consipracy, but after SimCity and Sims4 and now DA:I I am not even sure it was actually crazy

The thing is - PC version of DA:I is simply bad. People are upset because it is actually that bad. Dizziness-causing KoA was a bliss compared to this

And apparently we can't just express out shock and sadness because some pro-console trolls (some of which don't even use KB&M) will jump in a thread and start mocking people and bragging how greay their experience is and how we should shut up and suck it up

We paid real money for this game and it is not unreasonable for us to expect at least mediocrate gameplay for PC. Not this... mess

Heck, even Allan said we have a right to express our dissapointment. But no, apparently it is a sin in some people's eyes

Though to be honest this urge to shut up any kind of negative feedback has been pretty strong lately here

 

I am playing PC and have experienced none of those issues.  I sympathize with the people who are having trouble, but it's not like all PC players are affected by it.  As for the controls, I agree they're not very good at all, but personally they're not enough to get in the way of a good game.  

[Althix]

I just HAVE to say this

but you ARE a detractor.

[Chari]

I am playing PC and have experienced none of those issues.  I sympathize with the people who are having trouble, but it's not like all PC players are affected by it.  As for the controls, I agree they're not very good at all, but personally they're not enough to get in the way of a good game.  

Good for you, I guess. For other people who paid real money and pretty much did it for nothing? Not so much. If you have no problems - go and enjoy the game. If one has problems this forum is a right place to voice them so Bioware can find and fix these bugs 

Keeping silent instead of voicing reasonable concerns is the worst way to give a feedback. It improves nothing, it helps no one

 

It is enough for me. I have to use the easiest difficulty because even thinking about fighting gives me headaches. And after KoA I thought I was used to any kind of controls

I want to see the story, I want to meet the characters, but how can I enjoy the game if half of the time I'm fighting the controls, not actual enemies?

[wicked cool]

Ok so graphics are great and companions/council feels immersive but there a lots of things that did not make a jump to next gen or even last gen

Environments static-most rooms have 1 item you can loot and that's it. I found a bow next 2 a body and it isnt even junk. No animations for chests opening .

Npcs-most static in towns . Lots of fetch quests and im not seeing quests like ostagar had

Enemies-dont interact with each
Other or environments. Is it only boss monsters that have personality? Theres no temporary redshirt companions like the warden recruits in ostagar etc. as of yet theres no dread or suspense in exploring an empty ruin

Magic-level 4 and on super easy. I cant even one hit a ram? Cool downs are slow and theres. No enemy physics . They dont get blown down with a fireball or blow up etc

If you put the war table and graphics into dao what does it do better than dao? Crafting/clothing i assume, jumping and climbing? Character creation. What are the things that that are innovating?

[AshesEleven]

Good for you, I guess. For other people who paid real money and pretty much did it for nothing? Not so much. If you have no problems - go and enjoy the game. If one has problems this forum is a right place to voice them so Bioware can find and fix these bugs 

Keeping silent instead of voicing reasonable concerns is the worst way to give a feedback. It improves nothing, it helps no one

 

It is enough for me. I have to use the easiest difficulty because even thinking about fighting gives me headaches. And after KoA I thought I was used to any kind of controls

I want to see the story, I want to meet the characters, but how can I enjoy the game if half of the time I'm fighting the controls, not actual enemies?

 

I'm not saying to not voice complaints.  My original point was that this forum is filled with complainers, just as it's filled with people trying to silence them and who praise the game.  And not all the complaints are reasonable, just as not all of the praise is reasonable.  I was merely saying that if all you look for are the people who disagree with you, that's all you'll see.  There are PLENTY with similar problems, it's not like you're fighting this uphill battle against the forums.  

 

As for whether the controls bother you or not, that's a personal problem.  They are bad, but I'm enjoying the game without them.  You aren't.  Complaints against these controls are warranted, but you get to decide if you're going to let them bother you that much.  You create your own world, as the might Sten would say  

[sycophanticchallenger]

I just enjoy running around exploring. I keep telling myself that I'll start the main mission in the Hinterlands, but I get distracted by all side quest.

I'm at 12 hours in and still don't think I've gotten half of the hinterlands discovered. This game is gargantuan. I'm starting to feel the urge to progress, but I keep thinking, I have to sow the seeds of a strong inquisition, to do this I need alllies, to do this I must to great works, from helping the people to the nobility. Whereas in DA:2 this kind of questing "felt" like busy work, in DA:I it feels like progression and establishing a base of support.

[The Loyal Nub]

Good for you, I guess. For other people who paid real money and pretty much did it for nothing? Not so much. If you have no problems - go and enjoy the game. If one has problems this forum is a right place to voice them so Bioware can find and fix these bugs 

Keeping silent instead of voicing reasonable concerns is the worst way to give a feedback. It improves nothing, it helps no one

 

It is enough for me. I have to use the easiest difficulty because even thinking about fighting gives me headaches. And after KoA I thought I was used to any kind of controls

I want to see the story, I want to meet the characters, but how can I enjoy the game if half of the time I'm fighting the controls, not actual enemies?

 

Oh so the forums are only for people who have problems to speak up? I get that your angry and I wouldn't ever tell you that you cannot complain or even dislike the game if you feel you must. But do not ever tell anyone here they don't have right to speak up in support of the game. Your post here sounds like "Yeah if you like it shut up and go play." Newsflash: You are unlikely to get your way in that.

[The Loyal Nub]

I'm not saying to not voice complaints.  My original point was that this forum is filled with complainers, just as it's filled with people trying to silence them and who praise the game.  And not all the complaints are reasonable, just as not all of the praise is reasonable.  I was merely saying that if all you look for are the people who disagree with you, that's all you'll see.  There are PLENTY with similar problems, it's not like you're fighting this uphill battle against the forums.  

 

As for whether the controls bother you or not, that's a personal problem.  They are bad, but I'm enjoying the game without them.  You aren't.  Complaints against these controls are warranted, but you get to decide if you're going to let them bother you that much.  You create your own world, as the might Sten would say

 

This. So much this.

[Chari]

I'm not saying to not voice complaints.  My original point was that this forum is filled with complainers, just as it's filled with people trying to silence them and who praise the game.  And not all the complaints are reasonable, just as not all of the praise is reasonable.  I was merely saying that if all you look for are the people who disagree with you, that's all you'll see.  There are PLENTY with similar problems, it's not like you're fighting this uphill battle against the forums.  

 

As for whether the controls bother you or not, that's a personal problem.  They are bad, but I'm enjoying the game without them.  You aren't.  Complaints against these controls are warranted, but you get to decide if you're going to let them bother you that much.  You create your own world, as the might Sten would say

People who try to silence the complainers are trying to silence the feedback. At least if Bioware listens to us, they can fix some of the problems. But without the feedback they wouldn't know what is wrong with the game

 

I'm pretty sure that when so many threads appear and people who waited this game for years demand a refund it is not just a personal problem. Plus you admitted it - it is bad. Hence it should be fixed

 

Any qunari would go and try to fix the mess or call someone who is supposed to fix such messes. They're neat/control-freaks don't let things to get out of controls

[Chari]

Oh so the forums are only for people who have problems to speak up? I get that your angry and I wouldn't ever tell you that you cannot complain or even dislike the game if you feel you must. But do not ever tell anyone here they don't have right to speak up in support of the game. Your post here sounds like "Yeah if you like it shut up and go play." Newsflash: You are unlikely to get your way in that.

I wouldn't be so angry if hald of the posters told us to basically shut up and accept the terrible controls

Plus, the OP called us "detractors" as if we have some kind of an evil plan to take down the Bioware. It's damn insulting

[The Loyal Nub]

I wouldn't be so angry if hald of the posters told us to basically shut up and accept the terrible controls

Plus, the OP called us "detractors" as if we have some kind of an evil plan to take down the Bioware. It's damn insulting

 

"Detractors" is a hardly a pejorative and you are a "detractor" are you not? I haven't seen anyone say "shut-up and enjoy the controls." Not saying it has not happened but I did not see it. All I've said is the controls are different than perhaps what people are used to but they can be gotten used to. That is my opinion and it is based on me getting fairly used to them already. I don't think you have "an evil plan to take down Bioware" but I do think you are needlessly emotional about all of this. I think there will be some patches and no doubt some fixes. I read a Laidlaw tweet about them looking to add back in a "walk" mode which would be welcome. This is only the second day. Try to have some patience is all I would say. 

[Ieldra]

@Chari:

I was speaking about the people who can't appear to see anything good in their anger about things they don't like. Don't think the bad controls don't bother me, but they're not all there is about the game, most of what there is is crazy impressive and I'm determined to not let the flaws spoil my fun. About being insulting, suggest a more polite term.

 

If you're affected by game-breaking bugs, I understand it's hard to see anything good. By all means keep talking about it, of course these things absolutely must be fixed.  Just - as I said - keep in it perspective. 

 

Generally, about the controls: the only thing that's really, really bad is the tactical camera's inability to zoom through roofs. That does make the TM almost useless in close quarters. Everything else may not be optimal here and there but it is a matter of adapting, though I, too, would like to zoom out a lot farther.  

 

Now back to the Hinterlands.....my journal is too full....

[StingingVelvet]

The MMO style questing isn't just a flaw for those of us who hate that kind of game. It's a total deal-killer. Trust me, I wish I liked the game. It's the first new game I have bought in like a year, because I only play RPGs. I was super excited for it. Then I was bored for 10 hours and had to stop playing.

 

I wish I could say otherwise. No one buys a game wanting to dislike it.

[PhroXenGold]

Anyone who goes as far as to say those things make the game unplayable is indeed likely taking things way too far, and there are indeed some people here like that. (unless they actually have a physical difficulty that makes certain controls difficult to use, which would make it much mroe understandable). However what I, and many others, are saying is that those thing make the game less fun with no benefits in return. And given that the entire point of a game is to be fun, anything which reduces the fun is a bad thing and should be pointed out.

Modifié par BioWareMod02, 19 novembre 2014 - 05:56 .

[Chari]

"Detractors" is a hardly a pejorative and you are a "detractor" are you not? I haven't seen anyone say "shut-up and enjoy the controls." Not saying it has not happened but I did not see it. All I've said is the controls are different than perhaps what people are used to but they can be gotten used to. That is my opinion and it is based on me getting fairly used to them already. I don't think you have "an evil plan to take down Bioware" but I do think you are needlessly emotional about all of this. I think there will be some patches and no doubt some fixes. I read a Laidlaw tweet about them looking to add back in a "walk" mode which would be welcome. This is only the second day. Try to have some patience is all I would say. 

Go and check the biggest complain threads. full of pro-console trolls who either tell us to use a gamepad or that we have to accept it

I paid 40$ for this. I've waited for years for this. So I have every right to be upset about this mess

I'm no hardcore RPG-player but even I can feel that these contorols are just wrong. As if they spent all their attention on the console version which probably did happen. If a PC player has to use a gamepad because PC controls are that bad there is something really wrong

"Walk" mode is the least of my complaints

[AshesEleven]

People who try to silence the complainers are trying to silence the feedback. At least if Bioware listens to us, they can fix some of the problems. But without the feedback they wouldn't know what is wrong with the game

 

I'm pretty sure that when so many threads appear and people who waited this game for years demand a refund it is not just a personal problem. Plus you admitted it - it is bad. Hence it should be fixed

 

Any qunari would go and try to fix the mess or call someone who is supposed to fix such messes. They're neat/control-freaks don't let things to get out of controls

 

You keep twisting my argument.  I KEEP AGREEING that you should speak your mind.  I have not disagree on that.

 

As for personal problem, it IS one.  It should be fixed, but it isn't right now.  So either you can just suck it up and find the positive in the game, or be miserable.  That's your choice, and only affects you.  Other than setting your own preferred key bindings, the controls are not in your hands.  I'm not saying lie down and accept what you're fed, merely take a different attitude and focus more on the positives, and you will enjoy things more.  But that's your prerogative, you are of course allowed to be miserable and hate the game.

[joejccva71]

Go and check the biggest complain threads. full of pro-console trolls who either tell us to use a gamepad or that we have to accept it

I paid 40$ for this. I've waited for years for this. So I have every right to be upset about this mess

I'm no hardcore RPG-player but even I can feel that these contorols are just wrong. As if they spent all their attention on the console version which probably did happen. If a PC player has to use a gamepad because PC controls are that bad there is something really wrong

"Walk" mode is the least of my complaints

 

 

I'm sure Bioware will patch the controls but to say that there are all these "pro-console trolls" is pretty ignorant of you. 

 

The PC community is for the most part complaining about the controls.  Many have adjusted and are enjoying the game but others are whining and complaining.

 

Our solutions?

 

1. Either adjust to the controls.

2. Wait for the patch.

3. Play with a gamepad controller.

 

Those are the options.  Do with them what you will.

[Chari]

You keep twisting my argument.  I KEEP AGREEING that you should speak your mind.  I have not disagree on that.

 

As for personal problem, it IS one.  It should be fixed, but it isn't right now.  So either you can just suck it up and find the positive in the game, or be miserable.  That's your choice, and only affects you.  Other than setting your own preferred key bindings, the controls are not in your hands.  I'm not saying lie down and accept what you're fed, merely take a different attitude and focus more on the positives, and you will enjoy things more.  But that's your prerogative, you are of course allowed to be miserable and hate the game.

Maybe you need to stop acting like I simply detest the game and its developers. I'm upset not miserable. I don't hate the game. I hate the controls, there is a difference

I just want my 40$ be worth it. So far it seems it isn't

Also, happiness is fragile, only duty remains

[PhroXenGold]

I'm sure Bioware will patch the controls but to say that there are all this "pro-console trolls" is pretty ignorant of you. 

 

The PC community is for the most part complaining about the controls.  Many have adjusted and are enjoying the game but others are whining and complaining.

 

Our solutions?

 

1. Either adjust to the controls.

2. Wait for the patch.

3. Play with a gamepad controller.

 

Those are the options.  Do with them what you will.

 

When I get home, I will play it, as DA:I with crap controls is better than no DA:I. But seing as I'm stuck at work with nothing better to do, it makes sense to highlight the issues I have with the game in order to raise the chances that Bioware will address those concerns, thereby making the game more enjoyable to play.

[Chari]

I'm sure Bioware will patch the controls but to say that there are all these "pro-console trolls" is pretty ignorant of you. 

 

The PC community is for the most part complaining about the controls.  Many have adjusted and are enjoying the game but others are whining and complaining.

 

Our solutions?

 

1. Either adjust to the controls.

2. Wait for the patch.

3. Play with a gamepad controller.

 

Those are the options.  Do with them what you will.

What are else these people? They mock, insult us and spam threads with posts about how "stupid" and "foolish" we are

I'm not even talking this thread but geez. Try to complain about a single thing and ten people will jump at your as if you killed a baby or sth

[The Loyal Nub]

Go and check the biggest complain threads. full of pro-console trolls who either tell us to use a gamepad or that we have to accept it

I paid 40$ for this. I've waited for years for this. So I have every right to be upset about this mess

I'm no hardcore RPG-player but even I can feel that these contorols are just wrong. As if they spent all their attention on the console version which probably did happen. If a PC player has to use a gamepad because PC controls are that bad there is something really wrong

"Walk" mode is the least of my complaints

 

Well I have a 360 controller plugged in and I could have opted to use it. Instead I used the KBM cause even though I have a controller I just prefer to use the keyboard. Is it optimal for keyboard? NO. Do I agree with those who say it is? No. However do I agree with those who say it's a deal-breaker, the worst ever, unplayable? No. I played 2 hours last night and I got relatively used to it and there was so much GOOD about the game that the KBM thing felt a minor annoyance at best and not a big enough one for me to resort to the controller. Now might I feel differently with a few hours more? Possible with the likelihood of a probably not. I think you can get used to it Chari. I am sorry some people have been too rude with their suggestion to use a controller although you might try one. They are not expensive nor awful to use if one has to. But try sticking the KBM out. You might find you get used to some things after a while.

[DAntiVirus]

Not that far in and have to restart due to a....umm...hmm...gender mix-up bug but I am loving the game. A blast to play and Varric!

[Degs29]

User reviews on Metacritic are divided pretty evenly between 10/10 scores and 0/10 scores; there's very little in between.

 

Never, ever trust user reviews on Metacritic.  They're full of butthurt individuals giving out 0 - 3's because of one or two small issues, or fanatical fanboys giving out 10's because their favourite developer can do no wrong.  I have always found professional reviews to be the most accurate.  But even that should only be used as a light guideline.  You really have to play the game yourself to know if it's good.

[Maclimes]

Just gonna join the love-in and say that I am truly have a blast with this game. There's a few minor quibbles that really need some improvement. But overall, I find the game to be an absolute joy.

 

It's often been said that the Mass Effect series is about the journey of one soldier: Shepard. Whereas Dragon Age is about the world itself. And nowhere does that shine more than in Inquisition. The world is absolutely ALIVE. It's enormous, and beautifully crafted. There is ALWAYS something to do. I am in a constant state of decision overload, as I try to figure out where I'm running off to next. It's incredible, and I love it.