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[Shelled]

It is a disaster compared to Origins. However since this game is obviously made to be played in action mode, with your pals on auto, I don't think it matters much. I haven't used tactics mode at all.

but the a.i is dumb and you cannot control their a.i at all because any sort of intuitive a.i control settings are there like they were with origins. You try playing like that on nightmare and you won't be able to. Plus I didn't buy this game to play dragon age 2. The only reason I got this was because of the reintroduction of the tactical cam, but it is horrible.

[joejccva71]

You do understand of course that this game may possibly get Game of the Year right?  (and no, not kidding)

[Shelled]

You do understand of course that this game may possibly get Game of the Year right?  (and no, not kidding)

maybe if they patch these issues then yeah I hope it does. But right now its as bad as DA:2 in my opinion.

[DocSun]

maybe if they patch these issues then yeah I hope it does. But right now its as bad as DA:2 in my opinion.

Woah Woah Woah man.

 

I am all about getting this fixed. I have agreed several times the TAC CAM is HORRID control or mouse and keyboard it just happens to work a little better with a controler. HOWEVER. DA2 WAS SHITTY Bad Story, Convoluted, Barely felt like I was making any real choices overused dungeons and tilesets. SO SO SO many sins there.

 

If my only problem with DA:I is shitty Keyboard controls and a bad TAC CAM that they could conceivably patch. This game IS GOOD, It is awesome.  In my 10 hours so far I have loved every convo, every lore bit, combat is a little wonky but I actually still like it but the story, the world etc Is in the end what I am here for and the rest of the game easily helps me get into it even if the controls are a little wonky.

 

I wouldn't give the game a 10/10 so far (again only 10 hours in) but Id give it a 8 or 9. Controls can be fixed, cam could be fixed.... story atmosphere etc can not.

[DemGeth]

you people are missing out on a lot of pc games by not having a controller.

 

get with the times.

[Arvaarad]

Playing kb+m on Nightmare+friendly fire, and I'm finding the tac cam suits my needs.

It had a brief period at the beginning of the game where it felt awkward because the controls are slightly different. Took me a while to figure out that "hold" was now double-click rather than "h", and I used WASD to pan until I learned about shift+mouse panning. But once I passed the learning curve, it was fine.

[freche]

You do understand of course that this game may possibly get Game of the Year right? (and no, not kidding)

You are aware that GOTY doesn't mean ****? It can be given by any random person.

OT: I agree with those that think that the tactical camera is poorly implemented. And it has nothing with getting used to, sure one would eventually get used to this **** and adapt but as it is it's really bad.
Impossible to get any overview. Need to zoom out more.
Clumsy camera control. I should have full control of the camera.
Why do I have to control with wasd I want edge panning and I don't need that circle on the ground I'm using a mouse to click on stuff.
Can't control multiple characters at the same time.
Disrupting rifts doesn't work unless one keep having the Inquisitor selected. Hopefully just a bug.

[DocSun]

Disrupting rifts doesn't work unless one keep having the Inquisitor selected. Hopefully just a bug.

 

Uhh I am not sure what you mean? You do know the inquisitor is the only one who can DISRUPT or CLOSE rifts right? so yes you have to select him/her to actually disrupt the rift? Or are you saying then you tell them to disrupt then swich off to control another character and they stop.

 

If that is the case that sounds like a bug because I do that all the time. However be aware getting hit when trying to close or disrupt can stop you from disrupting or closing and that IS intended.

[joejccva71]

You are aware that GOTY doesn't mean ****? It can be given by any random person.

 

 

It's normally based off of metacritic scores and some other quality review sites like GamesRadar, Eurogamer, etc.  Not IGN and Gamespot.

 

 

The top games right now are:

 

Last of Us Remastered

Grand Theft Auto V

Dragon Age Inquisition

 

DA:I will win.

[Sylvius the Mad]

you people are missing out on a lot of pc games by not having a controller.

get with the times.

I can see the point of a flightstick or a driving wheel.

But not a gamepad.

[Arvaarad]

You are aware that GOTY doesn't mean ****? It can be given by any random person.

OT: I agree with those that think that the tactical camera is poorly implemented. And it has nothing with getting used to, sure one would eventually get used to this **** and adapt but as it is it's really bad.
Impossible to get any overview. Need to zoom out more.
Clumsy camera control. I should have full control of the camera.
Why do I have to control with wasd I want edge panning and I don't need that circle on the ground I'm using a mouse to click on stuff.
Can't control multiple characters at the same time.
Disrupting rifts doesn't work unless one keep having the Inquisitor selected. Hopefully just a bug.

Hold down shift to edge pan with the mouse. I was puzzled by the WASD movement too, until one of the devs mentioned that you just need to hold down shift.

The shift+mouse panning really overcame a lot of the awkwardness I was experiencing. Maybe it won't for others, but that was my experience.

(that said, I've since gone back to WASD panning because it doesn't require moving my mouse to change pan direction)

The ctrl-A functionality has been moved to the buttons right of the hotbar (all attack, all hold, all disengage, etc.).

[Skeevley]

You do understand of course that this game may possibly get Game of the Year right?  (and no, not kidding)

 

Which, as far as any dedicated gamer can tell, has nothing at all to do with how good a game actually is... (This isn't just an issue in the gaming community, it's an issue in general with all kinds of products... One would like to think that money isn't actually changing hands, but I think it's painfully obvious that many awards/reviews are purely a result of some sort of kickbacks in one form or another...)

[DemGeth]

I can see the point of a flightstick or a driving wheel.

But not a gamepad.

Every major release not strat is focused on a gamepad.  Most of them have poor or mediocre keyboard controls.  And that's not even getting into the plethora of great very cheap very good games on indie games on steam that work much better with a controller.

 

PC gaming is much more than just one interface type.  There's literally no reason to own a console right now unless it's for some exclusive type game that u must play. 

[Andykg10]

Hey.  I havent read all the posts in this thread, and wont play the game until tonight (Friday), but, according to this video on youtube, you can pause without going into tac cam, which Mike Laidlaw says is PC only.  Is this true?  If so, the tac cam problem wont be a problem for me.

 

[joejccva71]

Which, as far as any dedicated gamer can tell, has nothing at all to do with how good a game actually is... (This isn't just an issue in the gaming community, it's an issue in general with all kinds of products... One would like to think that money isn't actually changing hands, but I think it's painfully obvious that many awards/reviews are purely a result of some sort of kickbacks in one form or another...)

 

Except that the last 5 years of GOTY awards went to:

 

2013: The Last of Us

2012: FarCry 3 in some sites, Mass Effect 3 in others

2011: Skyrim

2010: Red Dead Redemption

2009: Uncharted 2: Among Thieves

 

 

ALL of those games that won listed above were incredible games and clearly deserved the GOTY win.

 

So what exactly were you babbling about?

 

Should I keep the list going and say in 2008 Fallout 3 won GOTY?  Oh yea, that was a HORRIBLE game.  They were clearly paid off for that one.  /sarcasm off

[PhroXenGold]

You can indeed pause without tac cam.

 

There are all sorts of other problems with the <whatever the name is for the not tactical mode> cam, but you can at least pause.

[Andykg10]

You can indeed pause without tac cam.

 

There are all sorts of other problems with the <whatever the name is for the not tactical mode> cam, but you can at least pause.

 

Im going to reserve judgement, until I actually play the game for myself rather than listen to complaints from people who expect a PERFECT game, which doesnt exist and never will. 

 

Also this pop up thing, not sure what people mean.  In the video, the pop up disapears when you hover over an enemy???  Unless ive misunderstood, i cant see the problem, unless its a bug, which will obviously get patched.

[Sylvius the Mad]

Every major release not strat is focused on a gamepad. Most of them have poor or mediocre keyboard controls. And that's not even getting into the plethora of great very cheap very good games on indie games on steam that work much better with a controller.

PC gaming is much more than just one interface type. There's literally no reason to own a console right now unless it's for some exclusive type game that u must play.

There aren't enough buttons on a gamepad, and the controls on them often aren't rebindable.

The best control scheme is always a customisable control scheme.

Also, since a gamepad has to held in both hands, it's difficult to use it in combination with another device (like the flightstick + mouse combination I used to play Half-Life).

I basically only play RPGs and strategy games, and I think RPGs should play like strategy games. As you point out, gamepads and strategy games don't mix.

What's a "major release", anyway? In the past few years, the new games I've played are BioWare games (but not ME3), Skyrim, Crusader Kings II, Europa Universalis IV, Civ:AE, XCom, Wasteland 2.

You're not going to see me playing Assassin's Creed or CoD or anything with action combat unless I can mod out the action parts.

[joejccva71]

There aren't enough buttons on a gamepad, and the controls on them often aren't rebindable.

The best control scheme is always a customisable control scheme.

Also, since a gamepad has to held in both hands, it's difficult to use it in combination with another device (like the flightstick + mouse combination I used to play Half-Life).

I basically only play RPGs and strategy games, and I think RPGs should play like strategy games. As you point out, gamepads and strategy games don't mix.

What's a "major release", anyway? In the past few years, the new games I've played are BioWare games (but not ME3), Skyrim, Crusader Kings II, Europa Universalis IV, Civ:AE, XCom, Wasteland 2.

You're not going to see me playing Assassin's Creed or CoD or anything with action combat unless I can mod out the action parts.

 

 

Well I for one love playing sports games so I originally bought a PS4 for those such as Madden, MLB The Show, NBA 2k, and FIFA which clearly play better with a gamepad controller and some of those sports titles aren't even released for the PC.

 

I own a PS4 and pretty decent rig so I get the best of both worlds.

[DemGeth]

LoL that's what I mean mate there's a lot more out there than CoD or AC as far as action games go.  Basically anything you can think of, it's a great time for pc gaming.  

 

Also I'd point out that because you think something should play a certain way doesn't mean it will or should even.  And you forgot Divinity on your list  which if you hadn't gotten yet seems to me would be right up your alley.

[BroBear Berbil]

you people are missing out on a lot of pc games by not having a controller.

 

get with the times.

 

I have a controller for certain kinds of games. Not for Dragon Age.

 

In the past, with DA:O and DA2, the combat and interface were designed differently for PC and consoles. In DA:I they just made one version of the game because I guess they figured this tactical camera was sufficient - it is not. It's a pain to use on PC and I reckon it'd be tedious with a controller. Besides the lack of camera tilt the thing I despise most about it is how clunky selecting party members is, and that you have to select them individually.

 

In previous games you could just use your mouse, drag a box over your party, and move them around with right clicks. Such a simple and effective way to implement party commands on the PC, to be replaced by a tedious and clunky system designed for controllers.

[Brogan]

Every major release not strat is focused on a gamepad.  Most of them have poor or mediocre keyboard controls.  And that's not even getting into the plethora of great very cheap very good games on indie games on steam that work much better with a controller.

 

What a fantastic opinion you have there.

 

Really outstanding.  Tell more people.

[Sylvius the Mad]

Well I for one love playing sports games so I originally bought a PS4 for those such as Madden, MLB The Show, NBA 2k, and FIFA which clearly play better with a gamepad controller and some of those sports titles aren't even released for the PC.

I own a PS4 and pretty decent rig so I get the best of both worlds.

FIFA has always worked fine with the keyboard. Baseball games did, too, but then EA stopped releasing them for the PC.

I never played the faster-paced games (Madden, NBA, NHL), so I can't speak to them. I'm more of a Football Manager or Out of the Park guy anyway.

[Sylvius the Mad]

In previous games you could just use your mouse, drag a box over your party, and move them around with right clicks. Such a simple and effective way to implement party commands on the PC, to be replaced by a tedious and clunky system designed for controllers.

Multi-select would be nice.

[Brogan]

Are the group based buttons on the right side of the bar any help?

 

Thought "attack my Target" would solve that problem...