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[Sphynx118]

IRoNM4yN3 138 wrote...

Kabraxal wrote...

Just admit it, you are too immature to understand the argument. This isn't about "ooo boobies" and locking a door... this is about IMMERSION.

so you have to see full on hardcore alien sex to be immersed in mass effect? go look up the scenes before complaining, from what i've seen they get the point across well enough. the conversations with your LI and the intimate scene before they do it is immersive enough for a game

Was there hardcore porn in me 1? No. Was there whine that we wanted hardcore porn after playing me 1? No. We were happy with what they did there. It was tasteful, a word im sure you never use. How about you make out with tha barrel of your favorite gun and let people enjoy the game their way huh kiddo?

[shockins]

MrBlazay wrote...

They don't :'( .... but lots of violence and no nudity?? Says a lot about our society.

It speaks volumes!  But how else could we churn out so many serial killers? :innocent: 

I'm not one of these folks demanding T&A, but it is interesting how After-School-Special the romances are.  It's a Mature rated game but the make out sessions seem pretty T-rated to me.  I'd be interested to hear from someone on the forums or a BioWare lurker with insider knowledge on ESRB ratings and what effect that has on the development process, if any...

[DarkSpiral]

Kabraxal wrote...

I don't want sex to be the focus, but putting it in and then censoring it is just stupid.

What I want from a game is a total experience, especially one in which you are the character. Dragon Age, while decent pre mods, is a far better game with some of the adult mods because it INCREASES immersion. Now I get to go around and fight the good fight, but also come back to the tent for some relaxation and love... it is far more realistic and thus I care a hell of a lot more about what is going on.

....seeing fake naked people increases the immersion for you?  *sigh*

"Immersion" is one of those words that gets tossed around WAY TO FREAKING MUCH.  Not unlike "Emotionally Engaging."

[Sphynx118]

IRoNM4yN3 138 wrote...

shinobi602 wrote...

IRoNM4yN3 138 wrote...

but the game IS about shooting people, not ****ing them for christ's sake ive never seen a more illogical arguement

Wtf, no it is not just about "shooting people", it is about creating your own character, mirroring that character after what you want him/her to be, getting engrossed and immersed in the Mass Effect universe, meeting and interacting with tons of interesting and deep characters, having relationships with all these characters, developing who you are in the game, AS WELL AS finding the truth about the Reapers and taking on your enemies.

Having intimate encounters is PART of being immersed in this game and making it feel more mature and more realistic.

*facepalm*

did i say it was JUST shooting people? no, but it makes up a much larger part of the game than the romanic SUB PLOT. you can still get immersed and meet all the awesome characters, build meaningful friendships, and even romantic relationships, just because they dont show you doing the deed doesnt mean that you cant get immersed in it

Then replace blood with mud and make ur gun shoot water? Just because you cant see the deed doesnt mean its not immersion right? god ur stupid.

[IRoNM4yN3 138]

Sphynx118 wrote...

IRoNM4yN3 138 wrote...

Kabraxal wrote...

Just admit it, you are too immature to understand the argument. This isn't about "ooo boobies" and locking a door... this is about IMMERSION.

so you have to see full on hardcore alien sex to be immersed in mass effect? go look up the scenes before complaining, from what i've seen they get the point across well enough. the conversations with your LI and the intimate scene before they do it is immersive enough for a game

Was there hardcore porn in me 1? No. Was there whine that we wanted hardcore porn after playing me 1? No. We were happy with what they did there. It was tasteful, a word im sure you never use. How about you make out with tha barrel of your favorite gun and let people enjoy the game their way huh kiddo?

dude, dont call me kiddo, seriously. you don't know how old i am. the new romance scenes are still tasteful. and really? what a great comeback, you wanna talk about maturity when you use a five year old insult along the lines of "IF YOU LIKE SHOOTING SO MUCH WHY DONT YOU MARRY A GUN?" i used that insult in elementary school man. if youre saying you cant enjoy mass effect YOUR WAY because you dont get to see a blue ass and sideboob then dont buy it.

[Kabraxal]

He doesn't understand at all... these games that focus on the gamer BEING the character are focused on immersion. Thus, killing, talking, sex, and any choice is essential to the game. So, sex is just as important as killing to many players because they would CHOOSE to take a breather and make love.



These games are not all about "o my god, explosions and bombs and ooo nasty evil to kill". It is about being the character... IMMERSION. Do we understand yet?

[DarkSpiral]

[quote]Sphynx118 wrote...

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Then replace blood with mud and make ur gun shoot water? Just because you cant see the deed doesnt mean its not immersion right? god ur stupid.[/quote]

At least some people are intelligent enough to spell correctly.  The word is spelled "y_o_u_'_r_e"

[Celethorn]

Sphynx118 wrote...

Kabraxal wrote...

Celethorn wrote...

Too many desperate kids these days... As said previously, it's a game about saving the galaxy, not a porno. If you want sex and nudity and whatever else, go download actual porn, not go to a game for it... Or even better, go out that door on the front of your house into the sunlight and find an actual relationship.

... is this the best argument you people have?  Really, it is quite telling that you are okay with showing violence and then censoring a sex scene.  ESRB be damned, nothing should be censored, but violence should go long before nudity in any fashion.

^This. If we had all the weapons in the game shoot flowers then the gun horny kiddos would whine about immersion and the game being unrealistic.
But as soon as we want some immersive romance plot endings or realistic love scenes then its
" HURR DURR GO WATCH PORN LUL!!!1111"
You dont get it. Its not that we want porn. We want a REALISTIC love scene instead of showinga freaking black screen or a lamp.

If bioware made all your precious little headshots with a rifle turn that makes u soooo hard in your little boxers(dont lie) turn to a blackscreen instead if making  their heads blow up then you would cry like babies.
Godammit u ppl make me rage FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!

"You dont get it. Its not that we want porn. We want a REALISTIC love scene instead of showinga freaking black screen or a lamp. "
^ Contradiction or what, realistic love scene? Porn isn't realistic? If you want realistic, then seriously, get outside away from your computer for once in your life and find someone for realistic sex! I hate how desperate kids have become these days whom want sex in everyone because they can't get it themselves.

[shinobi602]

IRoNM4yN3 138 wrote...

did i say it was JUST shooting people? no, but it makes up a much larger part of the game than the romanic SUB PLOT. you can still get immersed and meet all the awesome characters, build meaningful friendships, and even romantic relationships, just because they dont show you doing the deed doesnt mean that you cant get immersed in it

Uh, yea. You said "the game IS about shooting people". Nowhere did you say anything else, just "shooting people", while stressing the "IS" part.

See, you're not comprehending something here. What's IMMERSIVE AND ENGAGING TO OTHERS MIGHT NOT BE IMMERSIVE FOR YOU AND VICE VERSA.

Simple right? Are you able to comprehend that? You keep trying to get your point across like it's the only one that matters. Doesn't work that way. RPGs are different for everybody.

[IRoNM4yN3 138]

Kabraxal wrote...

He doesn't understand at all... these games that focus on the gamer BEING the character are focused on immersion. Thus, killing, talking, sex, and any choice is essential to the game. So, sex is just as important as killing to many players because they would CHOOSE to take a breather and make love.

These games are not all about "o my god, explosions and bombs and ooo nasty evil to kill". It is about being the character... IMMERSION. Do we understand yet?

i played KOTOR one and two, and the first mass effect, i get how the game works with your fancy IMMERSION word. what dont you get about the fact that they still do it, after every mission you STILL take the time to build up your relationships and near the climax you STILL have an intimate moment. just because partial nudity is shown doesnt mean its not intimate. have you seen the videos? it's done just fine and works as a good intimate moment.

[Wonderllama4]

I'm sad that Dragon Age has actual lesbians and actual love scenes and not ME2

(they are doing it in their underwear in DA, but still)

but I guess we can expect the same watering down in Dragon Age 2.

[DSWDalish]

I agree with Immersion. Just add a option to the game settings being able to turn nudity off or on.

[DarkSpiral]

Kabraxal wrote...

He doesn't understand at all... these games that focus on the gamer BEING the character are focused on immersion. Thus, killing, talking, sex, and any choice is essential to the game. So, sex is just as important as killing to many players because they would CHOOSE to take a breather and make love.

These games are not all about "o my god, explosions and bombs and ooo nasty evil to kill". It is about being the character... IMMERSION. Do we understand yet?

I understand that you are desperatly throwing the word immersion around to justify uncensored sex scenes.  I'm not sure if that's funny, or sad.  Probably both.  If anyone is honestly incapable of enjoying a game with censored violence or sex, then they need help.  Try reading some books.  The right ones can get fairly descriptive.

[Kabraxal]

So you wish to see these people kill? You wish to see the die? With all the gory details? If they pulled the whole "fade out" that they do with sex scenes, you'd be pissed and cry "you ruined the realism!".



That is no damn different than seeing them make love!

[shinobi602]

DarkSpiral wrote...
 If anyone is honestly incapable of enjoying a game with censored violence or sex, then they need help.

FFS, did ANYONE here say they're "incapable" of enjoying the game without nude scenes? Anyone at all? No. All we're saying is we'd like it, jeez louise.

[IRoNM4yN3 138]

shinobi602 wrote...

IRoNM4yN3 138 wrote...

did i say it was JUST shooting people? no, but it makes up a much larger part of the game than the romanic SUB PLOT. you can still get immersed and meet all the awesome characters, build meaningful friendships, and even romantic relationships, just because they dont show you doing the deed doesnt mean that you cant get immersed in it

Uh, yea. You said "the game IS about shooting people". Nowhere did you say anything else, just "shooting people", while stressing the "IS" part.

See, you're not comprehending something here. What's IMMERSIVE AND ENGAGING TO OTHERS MIGHT NOT BE IMMERSIVE FOR YOU AND VICE VERSA.

Simple right? Are you able to comprehend that? You keep trying to get your point across like it's the only one that matters. Doesn't work that way. RPGs are different for everybody.

i stressed the IS part because you were trying to make it seem like they should remove shooting if theyre gonna remove nudity. the shooting plays a far larger part than nudity. i do the damn "IMMERSIVE" romance plots, its not like i dont enjoy them, because i think bioware does a great job of building both friendly and romantic relationships. YOU keep trying to get the point across that just because theres no partial nudity that the game is no longer immersive, when you probably have seen little to no material. i've watched most of the game being played and from what i've seen and heard it's still a more immersive game than the first, even without GASP partial nudity!

[IRoNM4yN3 138]

DarkSpiral wrote...

Kabraxal wrote...

He doesn't understand at all... these games that focus on the gamer BEING the character are focused on immersion. Thus, killing, talking, sex, and any choice is essential to the game. So, sex is just as important as killing to many players because they would CHOOSE to take a breather and make love.

These games are not all about "o my god, explosions and bombs and ooo nasty evil to kill". It is about being the character... IMMERSION. Do we understand yet?

I understand that you are desperatly throwing the word immersion around to justify uncensored sex scenes.  I'm not sure if that's funny, or sad.  Probably both.  If anyone is honestly incapable of enjoying a game with censored violence or sex, then they need help.  Try reading some books.  The right ones can get fairly descriptive.

THANK YOU!

[Delta426]

DSWDalish wrote...

I agree with Immersion. Just add a option to the game settings being able to turn nudity off or on.

Now that's the first good idea, among the endless rabble from both sides!
An option to skip the sex scenes would be great, like skipping that epic fail ariport mission in MW2.

Modifié par Delta426, 25 janvier 2010 - 07:13 .

[Sphynx118]

IRoNM4yN3 138 wrote...

Sphynx118 wrote...

IRoNM4yN3 138 wrote...

Kabraxal wrote...

Just admit it, you are too immature to understand the argument. This isn't about "ooo boobies" and locking a door... this is about IMMERSION.

so you have to see full on hardcore alien sex to be immersed in mass effect? go look up the scenes before complaining, from what i've seen they get the point across well enough. the conversations with your LI and the intimate scene before they do it is immersive enough for a game

Was there hardcore porn in me 1? No. Was there whine that we wanted hardcore porn after playing me 1? No. We were happy with what they did there. It was tasteful, a word im sure you never use. How about you make out with tha barrel of your favorite gun and let people enjoy the game their way huh kiddo?

dude, dont call me kiddo, seriously. you don't know how old i am. the new romance scenes are still tasteful. and really? what a great comeback, you wanna talk about maturity when you use a five year old insult along the lines of "IF YOU LIKE SHOOTING SO MUCH WHY DONT YOU MARRY A GUN?" i used that insult in elementary school man. if youre saying you cant enjoy mass effect YOUR WAY because you dont get to see a blue ass and sideboob then dont buy it.

haha you still dont get it kid. (and yes i call you that based on your posts and your Oh so cool and totally not p14 username).
The point isnt to go around being master chief as u seem to think. The point is to play your character and immerse yourself in the store you create. Get it yet?

You want to have a ****** while holding down auto fire on your machine gun and listening to slipknot (great band btw) and i want to have games that are mature enough to do love scenes tastefully.
 
And then i will go out on a killing spree because i enjoy that too. What i dont want is for bioware do downgrade their games.

[MrBlazay]

shinobi602 wrote...

IRoNM4yN3 138 wrote...

but the game IS about shooting people, not ****ing them for christ's sake ive never seen a more illogical arguement

Wtf, no it is not just about "shooting people", it is about creating your own character, mirroring that character after what you want him/her to be, getting engrossed and immersed in the Mass Effect universe, meeting and interacting with tons of interesting and deep characters, having relationships with all these characters, developing who you are in the game, AS WELL AS finding the truth about the Reapers and taking on your enemies.

Having intimate encounters is PART of being immersed in this game and making it feel more mature and more realistic.

*facepalm*

Agreed. We play a role in rpgs and shoot in shooters.

[Kabraxal]

DarkSpiral wrote...

Kabraxal wrote...

He doesn't understand at all... these games that focus on the gamer BEING the character are focused on immersion. Thus, killing, talking, sex, and any choice is essential to the game. So, sex is just as important as killing to many players because they would CHOOSE to take a breather and make love.

These games are not all about "o my god, explosions and bombs and ooo nasty evil to kill". It is about being the character... IMMERSION. Do we understand yet?

I understand that you are desperatly throwing the word immersion around to justify uncensored sex scenes.  I'm not sure if that's funny, or sad.  Probably both.  If anyone is honestly incapable of enjoying a game with censored violence or sex, then they need help.  Try reading some books.  The right ones can get fairly descriptive.

All you have done here is act all superior.  But just to show how pathetic your argument is... i do read, a lot and that is exactly what I am comparing gaming to.  I read sagas like Kushiel's Legacy and see the violence, the love... everything is there and then I play a game and violence is glorified and sex is hidden. A massive part of the world is gone.  That ruins much of the immersion.

If violence is shown, then sex should be shown. 

[shinobi602]

IRoNM4yN3 138 wrote...

YOU keep trying to get the point across that just because theres no partial nudity that the game is no longer immersive, when you probably have seen little to no material. i've watched most of the game being played and from what i've seen and heard it's still a more immersive game than the first, even without GASP partial nudity!

*sigh*

No, I never said it's no longer immersive if there's no nudity, no where in my posts. I said it would make it MORE so, FOR ME and for OTHERS (obviously not including you). Now, the previous sentence, is that hard for you to grasp? That, I don't know, MAYBE not everyone thinks like you? Could it be!?

[IRoNM4yN3 138]

Sphynx118 wrote...

IRoNM4yN3 138 wrote...

Sphynx118 wrote...

IRoNM4yN3 138 wrote...

Kabraxal wrote...

Just admit it, you are too immature to understand the argument. This isn't about "ooo boobies" and locking a door... this is about IMMERSION.

so you have to see full on hardcore alien sex to be immersed in mass effect? go look up the scenes before complaining, from what i've seen they get the point across well enough. the conversations with your LI and the intimate scene before they do it is immersive enough for a game

Was there hardcore porn in me 1? No. Was there whine that we wanted hardcore porn after playing me 1? No. We were happy with what they did there. It was tasteful, a word im sure you never use. How about you make out with tha barrel of your favorite gun and let people enjoy the game their way huh kiddo?

dude, dont call me kiddo, seriously. you don't know how old i am. the new romance scenes are still tasteful. and really? what a great comeback, you wanna talk about maturity when you use a five year old insult along the lines of "IF YOU LIKE SHOOTING SO MUCH WHY DONT YOU MARRY A GUN?" i used that insult in elementary school man. if youre saying you cant enjoy mass effect YOUR WAY because you dont get to see a blue ass and sideboob then dont buy it.

haha you still dont get it kid. (and yes i call you that based on your posts and your Oh so cool and totally not p14 username).
The point isnt to go around being master chief as u seem to think. The point is to play your character and immerse yourself in the store you create. Get it yet?

You want to have a ****** while holding down auto fire on your machine gun and listening to slipknot (great band btw) and i want to have games that are mature enough to do love scenes tastefully.
 
And then i will go out on a killing spree because i enjoy that too. What i dont want is for bioware do downgrade their games.

i can't really be considered a kid if i have one of my own...i never said the point of the game was just shooting, i've said over and over again that the immersion comes from building the relationships, not from seeing the sex. sure, i like shooters like halo, CoD, etc, but who doesnt? you gonna flame on me for enjoying shooting in a video game? and slipknot is complete garbage. i dont need to ******, i've got my own woman, youre the one who seems more interested in wanking to a "TASTEFUL AND IMMERSIVE LOVE SCENE"

really, you appear to be far more immature than me because twice youve used combacks along the line of me doing something sexual with a gun.

[Delta426]

Kabraxal wrote...

If violence is shown, then sex should be shown. 

WRONG! It's okay to shoot tresspassers - says so in the constitution. Sex, however, is a dirty, filthy, shameful act - says so in the Bible.

Repent, you Godless heathens!

[DarkSpiral]

shinobi602 wrote...

Uh, yea. You said "the game IS about shooting people". Nowhere did you say anything else, just "shooting people", while stressing the "IS" part.

See, you're not comprehending something here. What's IMMERSIVE AND ENGAGING TO OTHERS MIGHT NOT BE IMMERSIVE FOR YOU AND VICE VERSA.

Simple right? Are you able to comprehend that? You keep trying to get your point across like it's the only one that matters. Doesn't work that way. RPGs are different for everybody.

Didn't you post something a few minutes ago about this thread not being worth wasting yourr breath?  Ah well.

Your argument is valid, but it's also a two-way street.  None of the people that are screaming about the violation of their right to immersion are thinking of anyone but themselves.  Not that immersion is even the right word for this situation.  Gratification comes closer.

I digress.  The things that pull these silly little skinseekers out of the moment are not at all distracting to me.  In fact, if they HAD been overly explicit, I probably would have had a "WTF!?" moment.

And yes.  I'm from the US.  Take that for whatever you wish.