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[SarEnyaDor]

Perhaps I blocked it out - but when was there an explicit decapitation/torture/bullet going through someone's head in ME1? I've spent the better part of the last week trying to level my characters up to 60, and all of the close-up violence is implied.........

[Celethorn]

You know what I hate.... People who use the argument that since there's violence there may as well be nudity and that it's not as bad.... There is a reason why the more violence a game has, the more highly rated and restricted it becomes, because those at higher ages exposed to that violence in video games are mature and responsible enough to know not to try it in real life, while the lower restrictions usually have very minor violence people can be exposed to in real life everyday.



Sex on the other hand, is something that, unlike gaining the common sense and maturiy not to mimmic high levels of violence from games, any age group can be encouraged to try. Sex is illegal to those underage for a reason.... That being that they can easily recieve diseases from it, or cause pregnancy, which at underage, can be a life ruining thing. So sexual content with nudity or any exposure that could encourage observers to mimmic it automatically gains an adult rating so that it's not exposed to those underage to prevent them from ruining their own lives...



Sure there's a lot of other stuff out there prevelant such as pornography and other things that encourage sex even amongst the young using sex appeal to gain money, but the rating system does its best to protect people from ruining their own lives through its restrictions. That and, it's most likely Bioware or EA didn't want to lose potential sales through their game becoming highly restricted due to adult content.



And I reiterate from earlier.... If you're looking for nudity and hardcore sex and all, then you're looking in the wrong place... The gaming industry is not a pornography industry, nor is it for sex simulation or anything like that. If you want to see sex then go and watch some actual porn, not look in a game made about a fight for survival in the future. Or even better, again like I said earlier in the thread, go out into the sun and get a real relationship with real sex, not an electronic relationship with desperate e-sex....

[Aradace]

SarEnyaDor wrote...

Perhaps I blocked it out - but when was there an explicit decapitation/torture/bullet going through someone's head in ME1? I've spent the better part of the last week trying to level my characters up to 60, and all of the close-up violence is implied.........

Bullet through head moment:  When Saren shoots himself in the head at the end.  Albiet you dont see the "Bullet" per se but you do see some "minor" skull frag and blood squirting from the wound none the less.

[DPSSOC]

Ok the reason violence is more exceptable in games than sex or nudity is simple; violence is a tool. Violence is a multipurpose tool that can serve numerous practical functions (negotiation, machine repair, construction/demolition, to name a few). Sex on the other hand only serves one practical purpose and beyond that is a frivolous waste of time. Our(society's) acceptance of violence is an acknowledgement of it's usefulness in our society, and our repulsion with sex is an acknowledgement that it's only really good for one thing and that should be kept private between two people.

[Aradace]

DPSSOC wrote...

Ok the reason violence is more exceptable in games than sex or nudity is simple; violence is a tool. Violence is a multipurpose tool that can serve numerous practical functions (negotiation, machine repair, construction/demolition, to name a few). Sex on the other hand only serves one practical purpose and beyond that is a frivolous waste of time. Our(society's) acceptance of violence is an acknowledgement of it's usefulness in our society, and our repulsion with sex is an acknowledgement that it's only really good for one thing and that should be kept private between two people.

Actually, sex can be used as a "negotiation" tool as well when it comes to covert ops etc etc.  Even not in that instance it can be used to "negotiate" the terms of a deal or contract.  It may not be "moraly accepted" but it can still be used in this fashion none the less

[Dante Lucef]

MrBlazay wrote...

One must be 18 to buy me2 so how old do we have to be to buy a game that's adult rated?

AO usually won't be sold anywhere. A lot of stores refuse to carry them, as they are basically considered porn.

[redloz]

Mass Effect is a cinematic game, playing through a romance should have the same emotional pull as a movie, the romances are part of the experience. If you're watching a film for 2+ hours during which two characters, surrounded by life threatening jeopardy and impossible odds, fall in love and have sex, you would expect it to be handled with the same honesty and care as the rest of the story.

So being involved in a 30+ hour story and having that moment of connection completely neutralized because it involves naked or semi naked bodies is alot more jarring. Nobody watches The Terminator explicitly for the sex scene but it's a very sweet and obviously important moment for Kyle and Sarah. In a mature rated game sexual intimacy even alluded to shouldn't be an issue. (Considering in ME1 there is the option to not pursue a romance at all, or the choice to forestall Shepard having sex with his/her chosen romantic partner during the game.)

I thought the ME1 sex scenes were well handled, I actually don't think they could've done a better job. Hopefully it's similar in ME2.

Modifié par redloz, 25 janvier 2010 - 06:06 .

[Velcro5000]

Whats with all the sex demands for Mass Effect?



Bioware: Hey, you know what would be really cool. An epic sci-fi trilogy with a rich story and emotionally engaging characters. Let's make that.



The fans: Remember to include alien/gay sex and full frontal nudity!



Bioware: B-but we just wanted to make a science fiction game, the sex scenes are only there t-



The fans: We don't care what you wanna make! It's now officially your job to push the boudaries of society! Now get to it, we want alien/gay sex scenes NOW!

[ERJAK2]

heh, spam.

[thompsonaf]

Aradace wrote...

thompsonaf wrote...

This is a Sci-RPG not a ****ing porno or dating simulater. You people are freaking ridiculous. Go get a life for christ sake!

You're missing the point....For most of us its the matter of "If you're going to water down one thing, you may as well water down the other..." PoV.  If you're going to go with censorship, go the full 9 yards.  Censorship in ANY form is BS.

I disagree, I think censorship is needed in moderation. R rated movies I'm not too concerned with. Naked lesbians during cereal commercials? No thank you. Hardcore pornograhy on sunday newspapers? No. Moderation is key.

heh, spam.

This entire thread is spam.

Modifié par thompsonaf, 25 janvier 2010 - 02:12 .

[daemon1129]

Actually I think ME1's sex scenes were right on the spot, its not really too much, but in the other hand, you don't find it silly and unrealistic. I don't think anyone got any problems with ME1's sex scene, so why weather it down when it was good? Its not even about satisfying someone's lust for porn or sex, but its just the atmosphere. Note that I have YET to play the game yet, I only stating my opinion base on what the OP posted.

[KainrycKarr]

If you want porn, I can recommend some sites to you.



I'm interested in the romance story itself, not in actually seeing behind closed doors.

[Aradace]

daemon1129 wrote...

Actually I think ME1's sex scenes were right on the spot, its not really too much, but in the other hand, you don't find it silly and unrealistic. I don't think anyone got any problems with ME1's sex scene, so why weather it down when it was good? Its not even about satisfying someone's lust for porn or sex, but its just the atmosphere. Note that I have YET to play the game yet, I only stating my opinion base on what the OP posted.

And this is what the people who are complaining about it, are complaining for...Why make them in the first game the way they did and then water them down for the second game? It makes no sense.

[Wonderllama4]

ME2 seems like a much better game than the first one. everything is better this time around, the combat, the story, more characters, etc. everything is better, no doubt about that. except for the supposed love scenes. they're a big step DOWN from Mass Effect 1. why??? that's all I want answered

[BroBear Berbil]

Dragoon001 wrote...

I feel offended by nudity but I'm comfortable with bloody utterly excessive violence.
No boobs, but there is never enough blood.
I also support GOP and death sentences for minors. :/
*facepalm*

Hyperbole is a great way to get your point across.

Again, the romance in ME2 and other BioWare games is not to display graphic sex scenes. They are there to tell a story and to connect with the characters. I'm sorry you feel that you need the characters grinding on each other to validate that part of the game.

[Dragoon001]

Exactly sexuality is to be practiced privately. No need for details but an action scene without exit wounds feels incomplete and unrealistic.
That's why I don't like German CRPGs. They are too liberal on nudity but tough on violence.
Like the game Gothic for which the developer had to remove naked boobs but add additional blood effects for the US version.
Nudity is misogynistic. Violence is just about self defense and  survival of the fittest. Thus the right to bear arms.

Modifié par Dragoon001, 25 janvier 2010 - 05:43 .

[Kalfear]

Dragoon001 wrote...

Exactly sexuality is to be practiced privately. No need for details but an action scene without exit wounds feels incomplete and unrealistic.
That's why I don't like German CRPGs. They are too liberal on nudity but tough on violence.
Like the game Gothic for which the developer had to remove naked boobs but add additional blood effects for the US version.
Nudity is misogynistic. Violence is just about self defense and  survival of the fittest. Thus the right to bear arms.

 And thats your american puritan value, Im not Anerican.

Where I live nudity is NOT some dirty little secret hidden away in shame. Yes women can actually walk around topless if they so choose, its their choice. And yes, I do live in North America.
Im so sick of this BS honestly, Americans projecting their twisted values on everyone else, hey look we have the murder capitals of the world, so trust us, guns good, boob bad.

Well I dont trust you and you dont speak for me, never have and never will.

Bioware is a Canadian company and the more this topic gets discussed the more its appearent they need to make two copies of all games, 1 for the USA and 1 for the REST OF THE WORLD.

But thinking of how its always reported obesity on the rise in America, guess I can understand them not wanting nudity. Dont worry, fictional characters in a game are usually actually in shape. Just anouther way this game doesnt represent the USA.

[AtreiyaN7]

Dragoon001 wrote...

Exactly sexuality is to be practiced privately. No need for details but an action scene without exit wounds feels incomplete and unrealistic.
That's why I don't like German CRPGs. They are too liberal on nudity but tough on violence.
Like the game Gothic for which the developer had to remove naked boobs but add additional blood effects for the US version.
Nudity is misogynistic. Violence is just about self defense and  survival of the fittest. Thus the right to bear arms.

I was not going to comment at all on this silliness, but when I see a term thrown about incorrectly it is a tad annoying. Since when is nudity misogynistic at all? I've studied art and taken life drawing/painting when I was in college. I've drawn/painted both male and female nudes. Last I recall, nudity in and of itself is NOT misogynistic (misogyny being hatred/contempt towards women). Perhaps you meant that pornography is misogynistic however, but that's not what anyone is talking about here, and I don't think that's what people are looking for.

If you played ME1, then you would know that the ME1 romance scene was handled tastefully and reasonably maturely. What I believe people have an issue with is that BioWare seems to have done a 180 on the love scenes with keeping the clothes on completely (or almost completely), which seems quite odd when you compare it to the first game. People were expecting something similar to ME1, and that's not what we seem to be getting. I took a peek at a two of the love scenes since people have videos of them floating around. I don't know, it's not that they aren't okay, but I would agree that it takes something away from the supposed intimacy you're meant to have with character that you're romancing.

Modifié par AtreiyaN7, 25 janvier 2010 - 07:55 .

[Grumpy Old Wizard]

Bioware does not show XXX Sex scenes because the game is not a porn flick. If you want to watch porn I'm quite sure you can easily find it on the internet.

As for adding this sex option or that sex option, how many fetishes should Bioware cater to? The game is not about sex.

Now, I guess you could always hope that they'll make Mass Effect 3 about sex:

Mass Effect 3: Make Love Not War
-Shepherd grows weary of fighting and emparks on a galaxy wide crusade of bringing love to the galaxy through sex.
-Paragon Shepherd cares about pleasing his partner, Renegade Shep treats his partners like dirt
-sex with multiple partners
-sex with any species.
-Ever imagine Shep getting it on with a Rachni, an Assari and an Elcor at the same time? Well, imagine no more. Mass Effect 3 brings it to you in full XXX fashion.

Modifié par Grumpy Old Wizard, 25 janvier 2010 - 07:55 .

[ArcanistLibram]

I'm going to go with the Spoony One on this one. It takes 30 seconds to find naked women on the internet. I don't need to watch Clones of Bruce Lee just because it has breasts.



If I want something that combines video and naked women, it'll take longer than 30 seconds, but I'll still find it. I don't need nudity in video games like Mass Effect, mostly because it most likely won't be done well anyway.

[SethSteiner]

BigKahuna25 wrote...

because its a video game not a porno.

Normal movies include sex scenes in where you also can see nipples. That has nothing to do with porn. Some people don`t seem to understand the difference in erotic moments and porn but maybe some other countries need to develope a little bit in sex education.

[AlanC9]

Kalfear's stereotyping a bit, but he's mostly right. The yahoos here in the USA really do screw a lot of things up. Wal-Mart's got something to do with it -- so much of their market is in the flyover zone that they have content restrictions that the civilized part of the country doesn't want, and enough market power to make game companies follow them.

[DarthCaine]

Because of Fox News