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[MrKrisSatan]

syclonix86 wrote...

Let's just be glad Bioware added the toolset for everyone. Once ppl start making mods, I'm sure this won't be such a big deal as user generated content can be amazing-better than paid DLCs-while remaining free.

every one is just gonna make a room with a chest containing the most overpowered weapon they can imagine.

[syclonix86]

I can't speak for past bioware games or the upcoming toolset, but at least for Morrowind/Oblivion/Fallout the user made mods are very innovative, some even mind blowingly cool. I guess it will depend on the flexibility of the toolset.

[Entic]

Oronduil wrote...

$7 for an hour of entertainment is steep? You pay double that for a movie ticket to see a 2 hour movie so I think it's about on par. Plus unlike a movie ticket, you get to keep re-experiencing the warden's keep when you play through the game again.

Yes you do, but you dont Pay $60 to see the movie than $7 extra to see Brad Pitt play the hero - its BAD BAD ethics to develop such content and charge extra for it - sure if you develop new tile sets, character classes, Races and a story worthy of an expansion I'll pay $20 but I will NOT buy a $7 add on that should have been included with my collectors edition!

I said it to Bethesda and Oblivion and I'll say it here!

THIS ETHIC SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'll wait for the expansion worthy of it!

Mentic

edit:

Stop flaming each other - if you paid $7 and thought it worth it - good for you

I think what the majority of the people here are saying is that proportionally it is WAY too expensive - and I agree

I just got Assasians Creed for $5 on steam! MORE than worth it! The $7 is a marketing scheme for them to make extra cash off of the "Must have it now" generation - its sad but true

The only way we can send a message to them is to NOT buy it - I mean I still think the CE should have ALL avaliable DL content that was designed for release - otherwise what are we collecting???? a $10 cloth map!!!

Shame on you EA - not Bioware/ the Devs!

Modifié par Entic, 05 novembre 2009 - 09:27 .

[Trelow-LMG]

Honestly Entic, I don't believe the market, especially with the dwindling retail space, can support full expansions for most games anymore. If it's not a game that demands a large segment of the market, i.e. The Sims, retailers aren't going to stock it.

Another thing, prices aren't arbitrarily assigned. No businessman who wishes to remain profitable doesn't set out to stick it to customers. Some set an artificially high price to increase demand, it works. Market research is done, and goods are offered at a price point that will have maximum revenue, per item and volume. Businesses can't continue to exist without a healthy bottom line.

This isn't all aimed at you, you're just the last person to post. Peace be with you.

Modifié par Trelow-LMG, 05 novembre 2009 - 02:39 .

[Entic]

Trelow-LMG wrote...

Honestly Entic, I don't believe the market, especially with the dwindling retail space, can support full expansions for most games anymore. If it's not a game that demands a large segment of the market, i.e. The Sims, retailers aren't going to stock it.

Another thing, prices aren't arbitrarily assigned. No businessman who wishes to remain profitable doesn't set out to stick it to customers. Some set an artificially high price to increase demand, it works. Market research is done, and goods are offered at a price point that will have maximum revenue, per item and volume. Businesses can't continue to exist without a healthy bottom line.

This isn't all aimed at you, you're just the last person to post. Peace be with you.

Oh I don't doubt you Trelow, I guess as I'm in my 20's I dont HAVE to have all the expansion add ons right away and wait till its a price I deem worthy

Oblivion did it - released all their DLC on one DVD before the GOTY edition so Bioware will do it too

It just bothers me that this is becoming the "common practice"

The Devs designed the game to be a whole

- now I feel a little cheated because I dont have everything in the CE (which I paied extra for)

And what REALLY frustrates me is the different sales vendors getting different bonus items - thats all well and good but my usual store lost out to a different vendor because they didnt have the better ring! Thats forcing me to chose! And I paid $5 more than it was at my usual store (I'm trying to leave out names) so in the end I paid for the item! So when the CE didn't have it all I felt cheated!

Mentic

[Jrout Vladseal]

Oronduil wrote...

$7 for an hour of entertainment is steep? You pay double that for a movie ticket to see a 2 hour movie so I think it's about on par. Plus unlike a movie ticket, you get to keep re-experiencing the warden's keep when you play through the game again.

Where the hell do you live? A movie is $6.50 a ticket here.. $14 for one ticket, your getting jipped..
 

Modifié par Jrout Vladseal, 06 novembre 2009 - 02:30 .

[horang]

Deran2 wrote...
That comparison doesn't really work either. It sets the standards far too high. Using your example, no expansion pack would be worth the money since they don't provide an equivalent amount of game time, on average, compared to the price of the original title. DLC can be compared to the original title, but in the form of what it adds. Does that $7 add anything to the game that you want to have and are willing to pay $7 for? Any other way of looking at it has too many holes to work well.

I dunno, with linear games a good expansion usually adds an equivalent amount of gameplay or only slightly less at half the cost or so.  Essentially we expect to pay more for the initial game because of the development costs of integrating the engine/programming mechanics/core .exe etc.  The expansions are generally story driven with some small changes in gameplay.   Thus in development cost, creating the first 40 hours of gameplay should be far more expensive than producing the next 40 hours.  I have no problem with DLC in principle, but $7 for one hour of gaming is a bit steep.  $15 for the crystal golem (if you buy off the secondary market or something) is extremely steep.

Compare to something like Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne which you could get for around $30 at release and had about the same number of gameplay hours (30ish).

[Calpurnea]

Its worth it for the storage alone... plus if you get the metior rock and talk to the blacksmith there, hell make you a rockin weapon. Worth every penny.

[Jayross]

Well movie tickets are around $12.50 here in New York City, I assume smaller towns have cheaper prices for tickets.



I am not going to argue about the price, or the value of the DLC, but I would like to give my opinion on it.



It did seem a bit short, but it gave me about an hour, and it was pretty interesting with the flash-backs and such. The ending seemed a bit weak to me, I didn't exactly understand why those two people were there, or what there motives for anything were.



The storage is cool, but here is a nice article about that:

http://fidgit.com/ar...en_seven_do.php



So, 'meh' at most, could have been longer.



Shale was alright... I guess, the puzzle was cool, but annoying, I think I spent most of my time with that though. Not much else was explained. (but I haven't done Shale's specific quest, so thats a bit of content I haven't done) and I have been using him in my party and he doesn't really add a lot of interesting commentary, I might switch him with Morgian.



I hope the future items of DLC will be more flushed out and full of content like most of the FO3 dlcs were.

[Lord Shitzu]

Deran2 wrote...

Srikandi715 wrote...

Really, to get a good sense of dollar value of DLC, you should be comparing the cost to similar games. Heck, compare it to the SAME game.

As I've said in another thread, $7 is more than 10% of the cost of the normal edition of DA:O. So, does it give you gameplay equivalent to 10% of the game? From all the reports I've read, no. Therefore, it's not worth it.

Let's take another comparison. Torchlight just came out, a smallish but fun ARPG, for $20. $7 is a little more than a third of the cost of Torchlight. Does this DLC provide a third the gameplay of Torchlight? Not by a LONG shot, even if you only play the single-player main dungeon in TL and ignore the infinite dungeon and all the optional side dungeons Took me about three days to complete Torchlight's main quest; didn't keep track of how many hours per day, but it was a lot

So, in the realm of computer gaming as entertainment, is it good value for money? I don't think so. Which is why I got so annoyed when I discovered that whether I decided I wanted to get it or not, my base game is infected by the connected NPC and questlog entry

That comparison doesn't really work either. It sets the standards far too high. Using your example, no expansion pack would be worth the money since they don't provide an equivalent amount of game time, on average, compared to the price of the original title. DLC can be compared to the original title, but in the form of what it adds. Does that $7 add anything to the game that you want to have and are willing to pay $7 for? Any other way of looking at it has too many holes to work well.

I agree with this man.

[KalDurenik]

I won't buy it simply for the reason that they said its 4-6 hours of gameplay and when people start to talk about it its betwen 20-60min.

[Dragolas777]

Deckus wrote...

I read the lore entries and worked my way through. I quite enjoyed it. On normal difficulty it took me around 1.5-2 hours to get through it. I'm usually pretty quick to plow through content as I've been gaming for over 20 years, so I would expect it to take some people a bit longer.

Ummmm it took me 45 min.

[Entic]

Jayross wrote...



The storage is cool, but here is a nice article about that:
http://fidgit.com/ar...en_seven_do.php


I hope the future items of DLC will be more flushed out and full of content like most of the FO3 dlcs were.

I Loved that guys view and totally agree!!


This guy has a good point too


Mentic

Modifié par Entic, 08 novembre 2009 - 09:49 .

[toronto13]

Do you know were BioWare and EA s.... up?They didn't want to wait,if they waited for month or two then everyone here would go.....WOW,nice job,you realy care for us,great fun,BioWare will suport this game more than Mass Effect and etc.This DLC is same like every other DLC out there not made by BioWare and EA,the diffrence is they didn,t wait.



Sorry for my bad English.

[LSDS]

KalDurenik wrote...

I won't buy it simply for the reason that they said its 4-6 hours of gameplay and when people start to talk about it its betwen 20-60min.

It took me just under 2 hours on normal difficulty.  I played at a casual pace and took time to examine and read everything I could find in there.  I imagine it'll take a good bit longer at a higher difficulty.  I suspect some players just rushed through without bothering to actually take the time to stop and read, or even to find, everything.  And some probably plowed through on easy difficulty.  Still, I doubt it'd take most players 6 hours unless it's a really tough challenge on the highest difficulty.  And judging from two of the battles it'll probably be pretty challenging.

Of course when they say 4-6 hours they may be talking about going through multiple times to see all of the different outcomes.  

Or there may be more to it than this initial quest.  I don't know firsthand one way or the other.

I feel like I got my money's worth.  The armor, storage, talents, and story were all worth the price to me.  

[Tesslyn]

Expansion packs have less hours/dollars compared to the game they are expanding on.. But why?

All logic says that adding content to a finished game is easier and takes less effort. All the gameplay is done and all work on the expansion is purely adding content.. why would it NOT provide equal or greater Gameplay/Hour than the original?

[hexaligned]

Not worth it imo, Stone prisoner is awesome, Shale is one of the best party members imo, I would have gladly spent 7 bones on him. WK is just weak, took me about 30 mins and I don't even use the chest really.

[madskillet]

Oronduil wrote...

$7 for an hour of entertainment is steep? You pay double that for a movie ticket to see a 2 hour movie so I think it's about on par. Plus unlike a movie ticket, you get to keep re-experiencing the warden's keep when you play through the game again.

it's less than an hour. and yes, that is very steep. would you want to be charged 280(40x7) dollars for this game?

[Kelston]

ITSSEXYTIME wrote...

The thing about the DLC is that there's multiple outcomes, allowing for replayability. I came across all sorts of locked chest that I couldn't open and now no longer have access to.


Also, storage appears outside after you leave and come back later.

I would hardly call the choices you get in Warden's Keep "multiple outcomes" since the term usually means for something more significant than what it actually is for WK.

[mufuti7]

Rakan13 wrote...

People keep on saying $7 is a lot for a DLC that adds more game play. But I figure with $7 more I get more in the game for ALL the times I complete it (6 games if I do all the different beginnings) and it is cheaper then a online game monthly payment. So I figure that is not to much to add that DLC for all my play throughs.

well an online game payment if you are a "normal" active player with 4-5 hours a day at least, is about 10 cent per hour gametime. (5 hours)  If you are a more active player it just becomes more and more cost efficent, a hardcore player with 10 hours a day just pays 50 cent for his whole gaming day. There are not many things you have to pay for that will keep you busy for this time at that price.

DLC content turned into a bad habit quickly, cashing in on gamers with half cooked content who have to pay a lot anyways while the industry keeps wondering " why is there so much piracy???"

I just finished Warden´s Keep and have to say for almost 7 euro it is indeed a bit expensive, seeing as how I already paid 70 Euro for the CE.

[Bascule42]

I think Ill give WK a miss. It will cost me £4.76. Given that most people are finishing this in 45-60 minutes. I just don't see it as worth it. My own rule of thumb is that if a game gives me £1 = 1 hours play. Then that is low-medium value for money. (Already Ive exceed that with DA:O).

I paid £24.99 for the full game of DA:O from Amazon, so to pay £4.76 is simply ludicrous. Its almost 25% of the cost of the full game. For an hour? Thanks, but no thanks.

I would also add that if this is the standard for which future DLC is set by, then I beleve that DLC will be a failure. However, I do have a lot of faith in Bioware to deliver good value and good quality for future DLC releases.

[Wickedjelly]

KalDurenik wrote...

I won't buy it simply for the reason that they said its 4-6 hours of gameplay and when people start to talk about it its betwen 20-60min.

Four to six hours?  Wow, I can't imagine anyone spending that much time with this content.  I purchased it.  It was alright.  I enjoyed the content but I would have thought there would have been a bit more to it.  I could see if they said one to two hours but if they really said four to six I would love to see how they justify the content taking that amount of time.

Although I will say out of the two dlc available that the Grey Warden one is better far as the story and gameplay goes.  Seven dollars seemed a bit much for what was included in my opinion but on the other hand I'm not going to rant and rave over the fact I think it was overpriced by a couple bucks.

Overall, it was a neat little addition if you can spend a few extra dollars but if you can't you're not missing much.  I'm a bit irked though that it seems one part is either left unfinished or they plan on adding another content patch at a later date to continue one aspect of the story. Unless I simply haven't reached a part in the game where the rest of  what goes on at the keep in regards to work being done in the tower comes to fruition. 

I would go into more detail but I don't want to spoil anything for anyone.

[Zzinged]

@ all you people who say $7 isn't too much to shell out for DLC. Don't assume everyone lives and works in America. Where I live, $USD7 will buy me meals for 2 days...

[K K Slider]

It is a tad overpriced, but I enjoyed it nevertheless. Very atmospheric.

[allothernamesweretaken]

Srikandi715 wrote...



As I've said in another thread, $7 is more than 10% of the cost of the normal edition of DA:O. So, does it give you gameplay equivalent to 10% of the game? From all the reports I've read, no. Therefore, it's not worth it.

By your logic, Dragon Age DLC should be as long as most games are total.