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[Dubya75]

Well if this is the best RPG you have played - clearly you never played good RPG's... Cause this isn't even an RPG.....

And to be honest I don't know if PC users care at this point - they won't buy next BW game probably anyway....and it's sad cause PC was the main revenue for them and PC users are the main audience or was, that supports their games.

Again the problem with the negativity is, that BW doesn't' even bother to give straight answer.

 

But seriously thought if you think this is RPG - I highly recommend you play Baldur's Gate1/2/ToB, Planescape,Fallout1/2, NVN1/2 and for NWN2 especially "Mask of  the Betrayer" expansion, to see what true RPG is. How you can resolve 1 quest in several ways, how they mattered and was not simply go kill this mob, how you can build your character however you want, you could feel freedom to do whatever you want or to play the game in whatever way you want. It's showing that these games are still played even today 15 years latter, they still have amazingly strong community that creates mods for them, hundreds of thousands of mods...And that is how you make RPG and a great game, which this is not...in year no one would play it anymore -why? Moding! Something every RPG dev/publisher should understands well. You open your game for moding - community will fix buggs/Ui/Camera themselves and they will make mods that will prolong the game life. Bathesda realised it and allowed moding in Skyrim and that made Skyrim  so good, and people are playing it and buying it even today because of the fun mods that make the game another experience altogether. BW used to do that. Not anymore. Why? Cause you can't mod on consoles. They have left PC business with this game and started catering for consoles. So at this point I don't think most people care anymore about their next games...

 

You are not offering anything constructive here.

If you don't like DAI, then don't play it.

There are others (and more than you realize) who do think this is one of the best, if not the very best, RPG game they've ever played.

Your definition of RPG is your own.

Mine is that DAI is the very definition of what an RPG should be in 2014.

 

But that is NOT what this thread is about. It is about poorly constructed PC controls and other PC game mechanics.

 

So please stop being inflammatory and simply don't play the game if you don't like it. Stop questioning other people's definition of a good game. It is all down to personal preference and you have absolutely NO right to tell someone what is or isn't a good game. 

 

Campaigning against DAI is pretty lame.

[SnQQpy]

With all this negativity, I wouldn't be surprised if Bioware's next game didn't include a PC version!  Actually, I would, just because of who we're talking about, but they'd certainly be justified in taking that route!

 

The more I play this game, the more I love it.  I've experienced a couple crashes (both in my first hour of 36 hours of play).  I've experienced a few bugs (all three in my first 10 hours of play).  I have my share of problems with several aspects of the game (tactical cam, lack of tactics, etc.).  But I'm having the most fun I've had with a game since ME3.  DA:I is far and above the best Dragon Age game IMO.  Far and above.  It may be the best RPG I've played in years.  So continually seeing this negativity really bothers me.

 

Thank you to all the people who gave constructive criticism rather than droping a steaming pile on the game.

 

I have to be honest and say I'm not entirely comfortable that people are so venomous at times BUT then I also understand its essentially down to frustrations. There were high expectations with DA:I and lets not forget that these were fueled by the significant and bold claims made by the BioWare Team and EA marketeers. Should people believe all the hype surrounding game promo's maybe, maybe not - DA:O showed what could be achieved and a lot of expectations were rightly garnered from this success.

 

I think people want to(generally) believe and think the best of things and of people. When this doesn't materialise, people that purchased the game and bought into the hype, those same people feel foolish and feel they were made a fool of and I don't know anyone that likes that. This is why we're seeing the vitriol I'm afraid and sadly its understandable, its understandable because largely people are still in the dark as to whats happening and when and this is because BioWare and EA for that matter have been too closed to their customers and that's a great shame.

 

People have a need to know and a need for answers and solutions and I think things will get enormously better and perhaps more constructive when this finally happens!

 

Just my twopenneth.   

[Han Master]

Despite console gameres rants about the end of DA PC sales, I seriously don't think EA would allow them to stop producing the PC version due to strong sales in the PC market. After all EA did spend considerable amount of money for the DRM to stop piracy.

[rift]

Bioware promised us a PC game. They did NOT deliver on that promise, and your argument is that because we are upset about the empty promise about a PC game, Bioware should spitefully deny us PC games in the future?

 

Well, I bought it as a PC game and played it for over 100 hours.  So for me they delivered on the promise of giving me a PC game.

 

Was there a learning curve that required me to play this differently than other games I've played in the past?  Yup.  Were there things I would love to tweak that I hope they will do before my next playthrough?  Absolutely.  

 

But the game was very enjoyable and I played it on my PC.

[Countercruel]

I agree, its not hard to allow one Developer the time to interact with the community and our concerns. I am just hoping they have an amazing excuse for not doing so such as a later (but not close) long blog post about what things went wrong and how they "messed up". 

 

At least the Unity team have audacity to accept and tell everyone they screwed up bad, either from publishing time frames or just not enough time to optimize. Dragon Age Inquisition is a great game beneath the issues as many have spoken about on this thread, and i would of thought the initial delay for the game was pure optimization for all platforms and it just feels like they either skipped PC optimization or outright didn't have enough time like Unity. 

 

The beginning post from the developer is correct, we still lack driver support for this game (i am not counting AMD 14.11.2 as 5% increase in performance is just not acceptable). While yes, driver support has nothing to do with developing the game, i still say it is as you made a outright contract to AMD to have it best played it those systems. Mantle runs better then Direct X at the moment, but Mantle has its issues still, most probably due to the mentioned drivers. 

 

The PC controls feel ok, notice i use ok instead of something else because i really think Bioware looked over the features for the PC version too quickly, as if to say they got in a meeting for the PC features and just chose the first draft on the table because they were running out of time. 

 

The UI is passable for PC, and can be greatly improved with a simple re-skin and or options to allow more broader customization such as a movable minimap or interchangeable hotkey buttons (mouse macros for example). And lets not forget the design decision to add the ping sound radius circle for loot searching. Add a option or outright change it to include a full toggle circle in place of interest and or, remove the radius all together and go out finding ores and loot based on your own observations and then later on you can come back to that zone with a ore node marker on your main map to show you were the farming spots are that you found. 

 

Simple fixes for issues that were obviously overlooked in development. 

[Han Master]

I enjoy playing playing on the PC as well after buying and using a xBox 360 controller as the M and KB controls are bad. I also feel ****** off that I'm force to buy a xBox 360 controller to enjoy the game very much.

[Wildspirit]

Just WOW!

 

PLEASE, Bioware, tell me that the patch will change the tac camera to this:

 

 

With this camera and the mouse to move around, the game would be thousandfold better. Finally I could play it.

 

(sorry my english)

 

THAT IS A TRUE TAC CAM

[Cl1cka]

From my perspective, those players that are the most upset ones with agressive attitude are in fact the most passionate and (possibly loyal) players and the reason why they are so angry is because they care about this title and now, they feel like theirs favorite PC game died converting to the dark side (inferior console sub-human race, lol).

 

If you made this game better for PC, those angry BioWare fans would be your best BW fans. This fuzz and resentfulness also comes from false claims and promises from BW. It is even more unsettling, cuz those PC problems can be "seen" right away (as soon as you try to do you first move or more obviously, in the first combat...)

 

Still, if you fix KB+M controls, UI (especially inventory) and tactic screen and general PC combatibility ofc, then the game will be fan-tastic!

Glad to see someone understands us, instead of bashing us.

I am not really angry, but sad mostly and frustrated. Not even because of the lies or lack of any form of response. I am sad and frustrated,  cause for the last 15 years I followed this company and their masterpieces.And they got me through some tough times through my life. And I was loyal - whatever game they produced I bought, and encouraged friends to buy. And now I feel like an old friend is slowly dying....and we are trying to stop this with our posts here, but to no avail....just feels hopeless. And frustrating. Cause we are trying to stop them from going in that direction. Because we fear there is no turning back. And soon they would be gone.

Our posts here are mainly final attempts at stopping all this. Hopeless I know. But most of us probably already said goodbye and are searching for new friend.

[Dubya75]

Well, I bought it as a PC game and played it for over 100 hours.  So for me they delivered on the promise of giving me a PC game.

 

Was there a learning curve that required me to play this differently than other games I've played in the past?  Yup.  Were there things I would love to tweak that I hope they will do before my next playthrough?  Absolutely.  

 

But the game was very enjoyable and I played it on my PC.

 

When did I ever say I did not enjoy the game? I am enjoying it immensely! It is by far the best game I have ever played and yes, I am getting by with the shabby controls, the disastrous tac cam (which I am not using as a result), the missing KB&M options such as run/walk and the console UI that is an absolute pain to use.

These are NOT evolutions like you think of them, to be adapted to. 

It is a console port.

We were promised a PC game made by PC gamers, for PC gamers. We didn't get that. 

Do you really think this sh*t storm would have happened otherwise? 

We are not ignorant like Bioware hoped us to be. 

 

We want a quality UI and control set for our PC version of the game. 

 

It is particularly frustrating to have this enormously wonderful game but having to fight with the controls all the time. It should not be this way!

 

If you're happy with it the way it is, good for you. But please....stop trying to muzzle upset customers as if they are wrong for not sharing your experience.

[Han Master]

THAT IS A TRUE TAC CAM

Does look like it makes playing the side quest much more tolerant.

[SpecH82]

I have that same issue, of the messing up of part of the screen for a second. I'm also using a Crossfired Radeon R9 290X, and play using Mantle, but I'm using an Intel i7.
I only got it during cutscenes so far, and not even all the time, and when I've been playing for a while usually. The cards and ambient temperature aren't too hot at those times, and downclocking the memory clocks of my cards to 1300MHz didn't solve the issue.

It's possible that the Mantle code isn't entirely optimized yet, since for some reason it uses too much VRAM at 4K compared to DX11, aside from the longer load times.

About the shimmering moon: I haven't gotten that far yet: but did you deactivate the setting 'Enable surface format optimizations' in the Catalyst Control Center? Unchecking that option got rid of the shimmering distant trees in my case, so it might help.

Hi!

No haven't tried that yet, I'll make sure to do so, to see if the moon problem disappears.

Still I have that flicker fairly often though, and it's pretty annoying!

Still the game is good, and if bioware and amd are working on fixing this, then it's just fine for now

Alot of grapichs bugs, glitches and so on, like the moon disappears if I turn of mantle, still In didn't buy two R9 290x to not use mantle!

The flickering still happens if I turn of mantle, but not as often I think, haven't tried without mantle of that long!

[5ubzer0]

Reading the dev responses in this thread I am really losing faith that the PC controls will be improved upon. How can you not see that moving with WASD in a game that does not have auto attack is a horrible experience for anyone who wishes to play a melee character? I do not have a third hand to hit ability buttons while I try to stay in melee range and also have to manually attack my target. If I wanted to play this with a controller I would have bought the game for Xbox. I am not new to gaming and this is not a problem of adapting to new controls.

 

When are you releasing a patch? I paid for your product almost two weeks ago and I still cannot play in any fashion I would classify as enjoyable. This is the first Bioware game where horrible PC controls are the reason I do not even wish to play at all.

 

 

[Redhands]

Come on, Bioware Gentlemen, please, put someone behind the keyboard for an hour and at least do a PC patch for the Walk/Jog/Run for ... tomorrow ?. A lot of people will be happy with this small fix ... show us you are taking care of your customers. I know you are, aren't you ?

[Leovinas]

Hi guys.  One thing I would ask is for the bug with Dorian's loyalty/romance quests on PC to be fixed (Mother Giselle never shows up in the Skyhold hall to offer the "The Last Resort of Good Men" quest and there seems to be no ability to impact Dorian's approval through normal means other than by the "One Less Venatori" quest).  There seem to be quite a few of us who have had this problem so it'd be good if it was on the list.  It'd be a shame for it to be lost in the noise regarding other fixes.

[Dubya75]

Come on, Bioware Gentlemen, please, put someone behind the keyboard for an hour and at least do a PC patch for the Walk/Jog/Run for ... tomorrow ?. A lot of people will be happy with this small fix ... show us you are taking care of your customers. I know you are, aren't you ?

 

THIS!

[Spenzor Again]

Oh, happy thanksgiving!

[Cl1cka]

You are not offering anything constructive here.

If you don't like DAI, then don't play it.

There are others (and more than you realize) who do think this is one of the best, if not the very best, RPG game they've ever played.

Your definition of RPG is your own.

Mine is that DAI is the very definition of what an RPG should be in 2014.

 

But that is NOT what this thread is about. It is about poorly constructed PC controls and other PC game mechanics.

 

So please stop being inflammatory and simply don't play the game if you don't like it. Stop questioning other people's definition of a good game. It is all down to personal preference and you have absolutely NO right to tell someone what is or isn't a good game. 

 

Campaigning against DAI is pretty lame.

You are right, and I am sorry if it came out like that.

It wasn't' my intention.

But at this point I feel all the suggestion that could be made were made, and there is no response.

So now frustration is taking over.

But again sorry if I came out like that.

Apparently the story is great - if only we could play it...

[AnubisOnly]

You are not offering anything constructive here.

If you don't like DAI, then don't play it.

There are others (and more than you realize) who do think this is one of the best, if not the very best, RPG game they've ever played.

Your definition of RPG is your own.

Mine is that DAI is the very definition of what an RPG should be in 2014.

 

But that is NOT what this thread is about. It is about poorly constructed PC controls and other PC game mechanics.

 

So please stop being inflammatory and simply don't play the game if you don't like it. Stop questioning other people's definition of a good game. It is all down to personal preference and you have absolutely NO right to tell someone what is or isn't a good game. 

 

Campaigning against DAI is pretty lame.

DAI and good RPG? Buahaha, DAI is still good (but buggy) game, as a ''normall'' game 7/10, and as a RPG game 3/10 from me.

[SpecH82]

From my perspective, those players that are the most upset ones with agressive attitude are in fact the most passionate and (possibly loyal) players and the reason why they are so angry is because they care about this title and now, they feel like theirs favorite PC game died converting to the dark side (inferior console sub-human race, lol).

If you made this game better for PC, those angry BioWare fans would be your best BW fans. This fuzz and resentfulness also comes from false claims and promises from BW. It is even more unsettling, cuz those PC problems can be "seen" right away (as soon as you try to do you first move or more obviously, in the first combat...)

Still, if you fix KB+M controls, UI (especially inventory) and tactic screen and general PC combatibility ofc, then the game will be fan-tastic!

Well there probably was a reason why this game did not have beta, if they did though, then I must have been asleep at the time, because I can't remember that ever being so! And I believe that if they would have had an open and closed beta, alot of these problems would have been fixed and gone at release!

Now I honestly do believe and hope bioware will fix the graphic problems first, then the controls and zoom.

Now since we saw how this game sadly ended up, there is no reason to rush out and buy the next Mass Effect game at release since it uses the same engine and devs from dai has also been moved over to me team, so I guess based on this release that the next ME for console and pc will have the same problems unfortunately!

Since I like both dragon age and mass effect, except the last 10 or so minutes of mass effect 3 but still!

Oh and all of you that has a working experience with DAI I'm glad for you, I really am. It's just... Well screen flickering, tear and such, isn't that much fun, even with those problems that I have, I've played the game for 60 hours, and the game is fun. But it would for me be even better without the problems I have had, and a beta would have fixed most of these problems I believe, now bioware seems to be working on this, and I will give them the benefit of believing them on that point! That does not mean that they can take forever to address some of these issues, like some people can't even move past character creation and so on! Its just not acceptable for an AAA title, sadly though more and more of them has these kind of problems!

I agree with you, that those that are the most angry are probably those that has supported bioware since baldurs gate, I did. But I can understand some problems at launch, I really can, but not when some or alot of them could have been fixed with having an beta.

[Snazzy]

Everyone needs to take a deep breath and realize that not all PC users are having problems.  Also, there is no way Bioware can test every bastardized implementation of a video chip/processor/motherboard.

 

I run the game on a laptop (albiet  a beast of a laptop) that has an Nvidia GTX 675MX in it (solidly medium spec) and I get 30-40fps with textures and meshes on ultra and just about everything else on high.  I find that framerate to be very playable and the graphics are beautiful.  I'll post the video settings I'm using at the end of this post.

 

During my initial play, the game locked up constantly during conversations and cutscenes.

I restarted the game about 10 hours in to fix the "male addressed as a female problem" (switching genders back and forth on creation seems to have worked for me).  Since doing so, I find that the game rarely locks up anymore.  I've played for the last three evenings with perhaps one lockup during all that time.

I think that the male/female bug is just a symptom of a much larger problem, which was likely the cause of my early crashes.

 

The tactical camera sucks.  As others have mentioned, you can't zoom out far enough and not all abilities are usable from tactical.

 

RMB mouselook:  Seriously people?  The mouse spring probably takes less than an ounce of pressure to depress.  Does your other finger ache from pressing the 'W' key?  Gimme a break.

Mouselook toggle would be nice though.

 

Graphic settings:

I turned on FXAA in the Nvidia control panel

 

Mesh Quality: Ultra

Tesselation: Off

Texture Quality: Ultra

Shadow Quality: Medium

Terrain, Vegetation, and Water Quality: High

Post Processing Quality: Low

Ambient Occlusion: Off

Effects Quality: High

Post_Processing Antialiasing: Low

Multisample Antialiasing: Off

 

it doesn't matter if not *all* of the pc users are having issues. The problem is is that a VAST amount of PC users are having problems. I could give two shits if it's working for you... for thousands of others they can't even get passed character creation without it crashing. 

 

EMPATHY EMPATHY EMPATHY

 

is all u are shouting and complaining about.

 

your horrible accusations and demands shows u have zero empathy yourself.

 

these devs are people too. and if they made a game u hate, just give constructive comments and either get a refund or refuse to buy their games anymore. tbh, i will be more than glad to lose a customer like u.

 

all u are saying are these people lack empathy and sincerity because there is no transparency. Do u really know them in person? they have families and friends and personal life too. they cannot reply to u 24/7. who are u that they must reply to?

 

u don't give a damn do u? so don't give a damn and keep ur unsympathetic and rude comments to yourself.

 

don't expect empathy when u have none yourself.

 

and yes, u disgust me as much as the devs have disgust u. probably more and there is no way i want to know u as a person.

 

Get over yourself. "These devs are people too" is not an argument. If a car manufacturer sold you a broken car, is the argument still valid? Or if someone sold you a broken house? Or someone sold you a broken fridge? Or someone sold you a broken toilet? Does saying "We will fix it...sometime in the future. Can't really tell you when, but we will" make any of those situations better? No. It doesn't. They sold a defective product with defective PC controls/UI and a massive amount of instability problems. The game wasn't ready to be released and they did it anyways. Now they deny that there is any problem. Get over yourself. These devs don't deserve anything from us, much less empathy, just because they are people. For many of us, we CANT refund because we bought the game from a store. These "people" don't deserve our empathy. They flat out scammed us out of 60+ dollars. 

[Monica21]

OMG. 100 pages already. We've had Alan to give a breath of fresh air, and it's not even his area of responsibility!! No one else.

Can  you imagine this happening in any other area? What an unmitigated tragedy.

I can't see them living this down. Total PR disaster. Just like the recent Korean ferry sinking. "Nothing to see! Stay in your cabins. Don't annoy the crew!"

 

Yes. Yes. No hyperbole here. This is exactly like the Korean ferry sinking.

[Cl1cka]

it doesn't matter if not *all* of the pc users are having issues. The problem is is that a VAST amount of PC users are having problems. I could give two shits if it's working for you... for thousands of others they can't even get passed character creation without it crashing. 

 

 

Get over yourself. "These devs are people too" is not an argument. If a car manufacturer sold you a broken car, is the argument still valid? Or if someone sold you a broken house? Or someone sold you a broken fridge? Or someone sold you a broken toilet? Does saying "We will fix it...sometime in the future. Can't really tell you when, but we will" make any of those situations better? No. It doesn't. They sold a defective product with defective PC controls/UI and a massive amount of instability problems. The game wasn't ready to be released and they did it anyways. Now they deny that there is any problem. Get over yourself. These devs don't deserve anything from us, much less empathy, just because they are people. For many of us, we CANT refund because we bought the game from a store. These "people" don't deserve our empathy. They flat out scammed us out of 60+ dollars. 

60 dollars???

I payed 70 euros, which is close to 90 dollars....

[Monica21]

Played one hour. Three crashes. Cut-scene are trickey, and somtimes it just crashes. Everytime the same report from teh GPU diagnostics.

 

We keep going.

 

Have you tried any of the fixes that multiple people have suggested in various threads? Turning off Ambient Occlusion? Playing in borderless Windowed mode?

[stevemill]

How can you not see that moving with WASD in a game that does not have auto attack is a horrible experience for anyone who wishes to play a melee character? I do not have a third hand to hit ability buttons while I try to stay in melee range and also have to manually attack my target.

I take your point.  If I couldn't map W to a spare mouse button so as to free up my 'action' hand I'd be frustrated as well.

 

It also seems i'm lucky not to have been following DAI so I had no expectations.  Been playing CRPG's since the AD&D box sets.  Loved DAO, thoroughly enjoyed DA2 and really loving DAI despite the tac-cam issues.

[MightyNir]

Im gonna give the devs a chance until tomrrow
If i dont hear any news about fixing those pc problems im gonna find my self another game to buy in black friday sales,probaly far cry 4 atleast ubisoft keep realse patchs

I feel so bad doing this cause i realy want to try a dragon age game for the first time in my life but seeing how things going on here i think ill pass
I followed this topic for few days and i keep getting notifcations but none of them helpful,i keep see ppl complain or argument but no single info about new patch