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[zMataxa]

 

And the engine is not new, it has been in use since 2006, it is just Bioware's first time, and if EA chose not to bring in people who actually knew how it worked, or even had experience with it, that is a bad business decision. If they were content to let Bioware reinvent the wheel, so to speak, they should have given them more time to actually get it rolling.

 

That's not a bad decision.

That's the real world for anyone with broad experience with business management.

Happens all the time.

 

The game is playable for many.

Again how many really have issues it's hard to say compared to the total number of users.

 

My issue is that some seem bent on declaring this as a total buggy mess, when in fact many are playing just fine with some minor bugs.

And some have hit impasses with gender bugs.

To those who have it much worse, they will get looked after.

You can bet they are working on it as fast as they can.

[abearzi]

Does this phrase of mine sound like I'm talking down?

If you can't play because of stuttering - turn down your res, adjust your expectation,  wait for patch or don't play the game until it's fixed.

If you can't play because of menu freezes, some have that b/c they don't meet recommended. 

Others I'm not sure. I do know I turned off my security software for a test and I got menu freeze too. Turned on gaming mode and I was fine and have been fine since.

That's a valid issue if they're freezing due to conflict or CTD.

The issue is how many people really have that?

You are saying a big mess.  I'm questioning that sweeping statement.

 

In fairness, shouldn't you break down concerns on this thread on the basis of Technical impasses vs preference?

You're lumping them all together.

 

Yes, you are talking down, which is why it sounds that way.

 

And this is "PC community concerns" thread, not a technical bug thread, so lumping the concerns together does make sense. And yes, I do claim it is a big mess, as the individual, smaller messes all congeal together. The specifics are different for each user, but a huge number of players are finding this game tremendously unsatisfactory. And I feel for the poor bastards who are experiencing all the problems together.

 

And the point remains is that it has been 10 days since release, and there has yet to be any definitive resolution to any of the issues. But at least a couple work-arounds have been discovered, mainly for the directx crash. But that is still just a work-around, not a fix. When compared to how Blizzard and Ubisoft responded to their own less-than-smooth releases, it does EA/Bioware no credit to have a wall of silence and evasion.

[DarkTl]

So calm down people. Check your system specs. Check your Anti-virus software. If you don't have AV software, get some, then check it.

 

Riiiight. So that's why the game has so many issues with quests and scripts, like suddenly changing voices and genders, vanishing npcs and many other things that anyone can find on ea tech support forums. It's anti-virus software, and it doesn't even matter if you actually have it or not, lol.

[zMataxa]

Yes, you are talking down, which is why it sounds that way.

 

And this is "PC community concerns" thread, not a technical bug thread, so lumping the concerns together does make sense. And yes, I do claim it is a big mess, as the individual, smaller messes all congeal together. The specifics are different for each user, but a huge number of players are finding this game tremendously unsatisfactory. And I feel for the poor bastards who are experiencing all the problems together.

 

And the point remains is that it has been 10 days since release, and there has yet to be any definitive resolution to any of the issues. But at least a couple work-arounds have been discovered, mainly for the directx crash. But that is still just a work-around, not a fix. When compared to how Blizzard and Ubisoft responded to their own less-than-smooth releases, it does EA/Bioware no credit to have a wall of silence and evasion.

 

Yes. This is a PC Community Concerns thread.

For some it's a big problem. And they want a fix.  I'd totally feel the same.

My issue is your painting this as a big Mess and all your other other subtext could be construed as hyperbole or worse.

Others doing the same.

 

Using numbers like 50% have issues.  Again, where are you getting that number?  Source?

 

Again why don't you respond to the point - Bioware is aware of this and working on it as fast as they can?

Why all the hyperbole that it could be a huge mess on EA/Bioware's hands?

 

You write politely on one hand and then in your subtext you bash away.

I consider that talking down and the worst kind.

[zMataxa]

Riiiight. So that's why the game has so many issues with quests and scripts, like suddenly changing voices and genders, vanishing npcs and many other things that anyone can find on ea tech support forums. It's anti-virus software, and it doesn't even matter if you actually have it or not, lol.

 

He's addressing what will fix some peoples problems.  Like one of the important ones - like CTD or freeze.

The other issues you mention are game bugs that all games have.

 

People only lump everything together when they want to paint something with a broad paintbrush as a "big mess".

[StormSpyre]

I would like to add my voice for the need for a run/walk toggle for the PC. And compelled to mention that it also strikes me as a bit of a careless oversight.

 

Also some people need to stop reaming on Allan so badly. There may be a few major quarks that need to be worked out but for the most part the game is beautiful and brilliantly made as well, saying things like he should lose his job is uncalled for. We should consider ourselves fortunate that a developer of the game has actually taken the time to post replies to us here. There are many other companies out there that would have ignored our concerns entirely. Let's try not to encourage them to do so.

[DarkTl]

He's addressing what will fix some peoples problems.  Like one of the important ones - like CTD or freeze.

The other issues you mention are game bugs that all games have.

 

People only lump everything together when they want to paint something with a broad paintbrush as a "big mess".

Nope. He even didn't mention ctds and freezes. In fact, he said

 

The point I'm trying to make here, and I'll admit it's taking a while, is that the issues people are complaining about are either cosmetic, or because their system has issues.

[zMataxa]

 

Also some people need to stop reaming on Allan so badly. There may be a few major quarks that need to be worked out but for the most part the game is beautiful and brilliantly made as well, saying things like he should lose his job is uncalled for.

Did people really do that?  Srsly?

That is evil if true (i haven't read it).

I'm really starting to think there's a dedicated trollfest on here among the legitimate concerns.

[zMataxa]

Nope. He even didn't mention ctds and freezes. In fact, he said

 

Well then I'm going to agree with you.

I think tweaking PC security will fix some users issues.

But I'm quite certain it won't fix all of the legitimate concerns.

My bad for scanning his post quickly.  Was kinda distracted.

Thanks for correction

[Corto81]

I gotta launch how some people who aren't experiencing crashes and issues are acting like those issues don't exist.

If it isn't happening to you, it doesn't mean that it doesn't exist or that it's the user's fault because they're too dumb to update their drivers or something.

 

...

 

Personally, I've gotten only one or two crashes in DA:I (my computer is a pretty high end gaming rig).

Some of my friends though, who have a similar system, have put the game on pause because of the many crashes and bugs.

 

(similarly, I ran Lords of the Fallen without a single crash, and some of them were having constant issues... Elder Scrolls Online they played without error, and I was getting crashes constantly)

 

...

 

Point is... If it isn't happening to you, it doesn't mean the issues aren't there.

And no, it doesn't mean the issues are the user's fault.

 

It doesn't mean the sky is falling, but it does help when the dev acknowledges the issues and works to fix them.

[Uncle Jo]

I wouldent trust that review dude, i run the game just fine at 4k res (50-60 fps when out in the world)

Im guessing they are using the ingame benchmark witch is crap.

 

Spec:

I7 3930k @4,5ghz

32 gb 1600 mhz ram

Asus rampage IV extreme mb

3x R9 290x @ stock

SSD disc 

 

All settings maxxed exept AA witch i dont need at 3840x2160.

Lol, talk about an overkill. Those specs make the machine solves everything through brute force. There is no actual game (and none in the next 7-8 maybe 10 years), even the worst optimized, which can bring this rig to its limits. By the way, are you directly plugged in a nearby power plant?

[DarkTl]

Yeap. For those who want ctds to be fixed asap, let me tell you, you won't be happy if they will do it without addressing other issues. People who didn't experienced any bugs at all are either quite inattentive or missed some parts of content completely. 

I fixed ctds for myself, and I know it first hand.

[ajiehb]

 

Yes. This is a PC Community Concerns thread.

For some it's a big problem. And they want a fix.  I'd totally feel the same.

My issue is your painting this as a big Mess and all your other other subtext could be construed as hyperbole or worse.

Others doing the same.

 

Using numbers like 50% have issues.  Again, where are you getting that number?  Source?

 

Again why don't you respond to the point - Bioware is aware of this and working on it as fast as they can?

Why all the hyperbole that it could be a huge mess on EA/Bioware's hands?

 

You write politely on one hand and then in your subtext you bash away.

I consider that talking down and the worst kind.

 

Calm down fanboy People still have the freedom to tell what they think and you can't shut them off. There is nothing wrong if you think different way. If you want to prise BioWare work with PC port of this game create new thread and troll them there . You have no support here :b Aslo dev's not helping here because they literally are not providing any info about upcomming patch apart from we are working on it.

[zMataxa]

Any experienced reasonable PC user would never say there aren't issues, even if they are not having them.

There are issues.  For some they simply cannot play.  That's not cool. 

 

What's at issue is how widespread is this.

It's being a launchpad to attack the entire game when many users are doing fine.

That's also not cool.

Some are even mixing congenial with bashing.

And not giving Bioware a chance to remedy situation.

Really not cool.

[bEVEsthda]

I'd like to start by saying that I think a lot of people on here haven't properly read / understood the System Requirements.

 

I would also like to say that when the System requirements came out, I immediately presumed I would need to buy a new CPU for my PC, and probably a new Video Card.

 

I am glad to say I was wrong.

 

I have an Intel i3-3240 CPU, which is technically only a Dual-Core CPU, not the Quad-Core stated in the System Requirements. Nevertheless, the game runs flawlessly. I have had no issues with CTD, Audio Stutter, Menu freezing, or any of the other problems people have been complaining about.

 

  Yes, you're wrong. Because i3-3240 is "technically speaking" a four times CPU. Not in terms of dedicated transistor hardware, which is why it is a dual-core, but for any software, any thread scheduler, running on it, it's a quad, because as a third-generation desktop i3, it has very competent hyperthreading.

[Ialdaas]

need a fix for the western approach dragon fight...where the dragon pops the cave open...if u leave the area it seals back up...2 mosaic pieces are in there and i cant get them do to the respawn bug...make the blockage breakable or remove it all together.

 

yes i understand that they want us to beat the dragon to get the pieces but ive alrdy done this and i need those 2 pieces....

[ESTAQ99]

50%? Source please.

You probably know that people with issues have way more visibility than  people who are happily gaming.

Only EA/Bioware will know the true numbers based on origin feedback.

 

Unplayable comes to a measure of degrees. 

If you can't play because of stuttering - turn down your res, adjust your expectation,  wait for patch or don't play the game until it's fixed.

If you can't play because of menu freezes, some have that b/c they don't meet recommended. 

Others I'm not sure. I do know I turned off my security software for a test and I got menu freeze too. Turned on gaming mode and I was fine and have been fine since.

Others can't won't play because they want the UI or tac cam to be setup a certain way.  Still playable.  Just not the way they like. 

 

This is a whole new game engine where they have had to do all kinds of things to make it work. 

I think a bit of patience and understanding is in order.

 

You don't think they want to get these issues resolve?  Srly?

 

 

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I really think they knew about most of these issues before launch and I seriously doubt they will be able to resolve many of them with patches. If they did, they wouldn't come up with a game that has this number of issues on PC platform. They obviously knew that the TAC CAM was a joke by the time of launching the game, as Allan Schumacher posted earlier on this thread (a dev that worked on this game for 3 years and the last 1.5 years he worked on the combat team as a QA embed and in fact Tactical Camera was even one of the systems he supported), that even if their goal was to actually let the game be playable in its entirety in Tactical Camera mode, their playthroughs saw, frankly, really bizarre (and often fatal) issues under a wide variety of disconnected circumstances relating to looting, transitions/triggers, as well as interacting.  They fixed some of them (transitions/triggers) but others were complicated and erratic enough fixes that they ended up disabled. So it means they won't be able to fix in a patch something they couldn't figure out in 3 years. Funny how they made the gamers believe that the TAC CAM was perfection during their playthroughs on Twitch.

 

I reached the point where I believe that PC gamer's experience was the last of their priorities (if it was a priority at all) regarding DA:I. They will fix a few little things here and there (whatever won't cost them too much money) and then will come up with a diplomatic way to tell the PC gamers that if they don't like the game, they don't need to play it. As for me, I just want my money back from this bunch of liars.

[Morty Smith]

Calm down fanboy

 

*takes another shot*

[zMataxa]

Calm down fanboy People still have the freedom to tell what they think and you can't shut them off. There is nothing wrong if you think different way. If you want to prise BioWare work with PC port of this game create new thread and troll them there . You have no support here :b Aslo dev's not helping here because they literally are not providing any info about upcomming patch apart from we are working on it.

 

So do you have source for 50% of users are having problems?

If you do, then I can peacefully go away.

 

When a pack of noobies come on here whipping up a frenzy - it stirs up the inquistor in me

No support here?

I know how group-posting works.  Not worried.

 

So what exactly do you want Bioware to post?

If there is no eta, it's because they are still working on it.

Read the OP.  They are working on it.

 

Question is - what's top be gained with all this frenzy of negative posting?

If you have an issue post it.

 

Don't turn this into a massive bashing fest.

[adr750227]

Did people really do that?  Srsly?
That is evil if true (i haven't read it).
I'm really starting to think there's a dedicated trollfest on here among the legitimate concerns.

 

hmmm.....I see you have problems with people here calling the game a buggy mess....well, let me break your little fancy bubble, IT IS!

even those around playing the game and giving it high scores say the have some kind of issues...I bet you CANNOT find anyone in any side of the spectrum, who is playing this game totally bug free and smoothly....which is the definition of...BUGGY MESS....

actually, you, who seems to me are applying for the "Defender of the Lie" or "Stalwart of Bioware" title or something have issues playing the game; even recommending people to set their video settings lower means its a BUGGY MESS...

 

and no, no one is asking for Allan's job...we just asking first, FOR AN APOLOGY and second FOR REAL DATA on where their promise made to PC GAMERS stands

[DarkTl]

I reached the point where I believe that PC gamer's experience was the last of their priorities (if it was a priority at all) regarding DA:I. They will fix a few little things here and there (whatever won't cost them too much money) and then will come up with a diplomatic way to tell the PC gamers that if they don't like the game, they don't need to play it. As for me, I just want my money back from this bunch of liars.

 

That's what I'm afraid of too. If someone's familiar with EA Sims games, then you know how many gamebreaking bugs they have that were never fixed after all.

I hoped that there will be a better support for other titles, but I doubt it already. Then again, in this case I simply won't buy EA games anymore.

[zMataxa]

 

50%? Source please.

You probably know that people with issues have way more visibility than  people who are happily gaming.

Only EA/Bioware will know the true numbers based on origin feedback.

 

Unplayable comes to a measure of degrees. 

If you can't play because of stuttering - turn down your res, adjust your expectation,  wait for patch or don't play the game until it's fixed.

If you can't play because of menu freezes, some have that b/c they don't meet recommended. 

Others I'm not sure. I do know I turned off my security software for a test and I got menu freeze too. Turned on gaming mode and I was fine and have been fine since.

Others can't won't play because they want the UI or tac cam to be setup a certain way.  Still playable.  Just not the way they like. 

 

This is a whole new game engine where they have had to do all kinds of things to make it work. 

I think a bit of patience and understanding is in order.

 

You don't think they want to get these issues resolve?  Srly?

 

 

_________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

 

I really think they knew about most of these issues before launch and I seriously doubt they will be able to resolve many of them with patches. If they did, they wouldn't come up with a game that has this number of issues on PC platform. They obviously knew that the TAC CAM was a joke by the time of launching the game, as Allan Schumacher posted earlier on this thread (a dev that worked on this game for 3 years and the last 1.5 years he worked on the combat team as a QA embed and in fact Tactical Camera was even one of the systems he supported), that even if their goal was to actually let the game be playable in its entirety in Tactical Camera mode, their playthroughs saw, frankly, really bizarre (and often fatal) issues under a wide variety of disconnected circumstances relating to looting, transitions/triggers, as well as interacting.  They fixed some of them (transitions/triggers) but others were complicated and erratic enough fixes that they ended up disabled. So it means they won't be able to fix in a patch something they couldn't figure out in 3 years. Funny how they made the gamers believe that the TAC CAM was perfection during their playthroughs on Twitch.

 

I reached the point where I believe that PC gamer's experience was the last of their priorities (if it was a priority at all) regarding DA:I. They will fix a few little things here and there (whatever won't cost them too much money) and then will come up with a diplomatic way to tell the PC gamers that if they don't like the game, they don't need to play it. As for me, I just want my money back from this bunch of liars.

 

 

When I wrote they want to fix the issues - first thing that comes to mind is drivers, CTD, freezes, game bugs.

Thats Priority#1.

So people can play the game.

 

The info you highlighted brings up the TacCam.

That's a preference.  Game is still playable. 

But for some that issue is a biggie.  Can totally respect that as a user with my own strong likes and dislikes.

 

But that issue has nothing to do with Technical impasses.  It's a preference impasse.

So sure some can lump that in, and chanting "Big mess" but they're just stirring the pot.

Let's see what Bioware does with PC optimization & TacCam.

Give them time.  They aren't immortals.

They gotta get the bugs out first.

 

As for the he said - she said - not going to bother commenting. 

Been around the block a few times.  I know to avoid those pits.

I'll leave that to time to sort out.

[zMataxa]

.I bet you CANNOT find anyone in any side of the spectrum, who is playing this game totally bug free and smoothly....which is the definition of...BUGGY MESS....

and no, no one is asking for Allan's job...we just asking first, FOR AN APOLOGY and second FOR REAL DATA on where their promise made to PC GAMERS stands

 

Wot?  Srsly?  That's your definition of a buggy mess?

Isn't that a standard for most games that they have some bugs?

Are you over at FarCry4 forums posting that FC4 is a buggy mess?

At Kokatku today, there was a thread about the game even being more fun with the bugs.

Bugs in a massive game?  That's reality in software.

This game has bugs. 

For some users, they are having technical impasses.

How many is unknown.

 

I am grateful for clarification that no one is asking for Allans Job.  That would be insane.

As for a version that works for PC gamers, that is gonna be interesting.

Reading over the posts in other parts of the forums, some PC gamers prefer controllers, others KBM, some want this in battle, others that.

Consensus among PC gamers is a pipedream - except that most want to continue to enjoy Bioware games on PC.

So can a game be made that satisfies all the old DAO fans, the DA2 fans, and even the new DAI fans?

Probably need too many toggles for that.  But maybe. 

[abearzi]

Very well, I will try to avoid what you are dubbing hyperbole and try to write succinctly.

 

The 50% is an estimate from the nature and quantity of user reviews from various websites (metacritic, tumblr, amazon, etc. search for yourself). These are pervasive problems, many of which are not specific to the PC platform.

 

Until there is actual evidence, as in a released patch, then any vague assurances from EA or Bioware are just words on the wind. And while it is perfectly valid for you and others to keep your faith that they will deliver, the reality is that until such a patch is implemented, then those assurances mean nothing. I have repeatedly contrasted this with the method which Ubisoft (a free, full priced game for season pass Unity holders and a free DLC for regular users) and Blizzard (4 free days of play time for the server instability of Warlords of Draenor launch) have handled the problematic launches of their respective game and expansion. Both of these happened within a week of launch. At 10 days, there is nothing to show for the DAI developers.

 

So again, without hyperbole: DAI is a buggy mess that has thus far been poorly handled by the developers and publisher. And even without the bugs, it is still a mess.

[Merlanni]

guys stop overclocking, thats the reason of your persistent crashes

No, it is not overclocking.