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so, your point is, because other games, I don't even play, are buggy as hell too, this one is not a buggy mess...wow! veryyyy deep maaaan
hmmm.....I see you have problems with people here calling the game a buggy mess....well, let me break your little fancy bubble, IT IS!
even those around playing the game and giving it high scores say the have some kind of issues...I bet you CANNOT find anyone in any side of the spectrum, who is playing this game totally bug free and smoothly....which is the definition of...BUGGY MESS....
actually, you, who seems to me are applying for the "Defender of the Lie" or "Stalwart of Bioware" title or something have issues playing the game; even recommending people to set their video settings lower means its a BUGGY MESS...
and no, no one is asking for Allan's job...we just asking first, FOR AN APOLOGY and second FOR REAL DATA on where their promise made to PC GAMERS stands
hey gratz, you defined every game of the last 5 years as a buggy mess because none was bugfree and every single one was patched after release 
yeah bugs are annoying but maybe its nowadays not avoidable when every publisher since years is not able to release a total bugfree game.
and there is a difference between a game with bugs and a game which is a buggy mess or unplayable. for some people a game with lower than 60fps is unplayable, or because the controls are not the way they want and thats just bullshit. yeah the game has bugs and for a few its really not playable because of constantly crashing (which is often a matter of the system of the user) and yeah they have really a reason to complain, but most of the complains are about the game are that its not what the people expected
Is there an ETA for when the patch comes out? 
Thx
Very well, I will try to avoid what you are dubbing hyperbole and try to write succinctly.
The 50% is an estimate from the nature and quantity of user reviews from various websites (metacritic, tumblr, amazon, etc. search for yourself). These are pervasive problems, many of which are not specific to the PC platform.
Until there is actual evidence, as in a released patch, then any vague assurances from EA or Bioware are just words on the wind. And while it is perfectly valid for you and others to keep your faith that they will deliver, the reality is that until such a patch is implemented, then those assurances mean nothing. I have repeatedly contrasted this with the method which Ubisoft (a free, full priced game for season pass Unity holders and a free DLC for regular users) and Blizzard (4 free days of play time for the server instability of Warlords of Draenor launch) have handled the problematic launches of their respective game and expansion. Both of these happened within a week of launch. At 10 days, there is nothing to show for the DAI developers.
So again, without hyperbole: DAI is a buggy mess that has thus far been poorly handled by the developers and publisher. And even without the bugs, it is still a mess.
Thank you for your much more factual post.
Just so we are clear what is your definition of buggy mess?
Hmmm. You use Metacritic as one of your sources?
Where day 1 - 0/10 reviews were posted?
Scientifically speaking, anecdotal evidence is not generally accepted as valid.
For good reasons. Sure it shows there is an issue.
Question of % de facto occurence still remains.
50% is your opinion based on anecdotal evidence.
At one time people thought the earth was flat based on anecdotal evidence.
Is buggy mess a fair assessment?
Some people have completed the game and loved it. Fact.
Others cant' play. How many compared to those who can?
Only Bioware/EA has an idea and they are still working on it diligently.
so, your point is, because other games, I don't even play, are buggy as hell too, this one is not a buggy mess...wow! veryyyy deep maaaan
this is tac-cam video....
as far as "preferences" I would have to say you are right...yes, I do PREFER the tac-cam doesn't suck the way it does....so, I agree, its a preference ....
No, My point is that many people have completed a playthrough and enjoyed themselves.
So how buggy is it really? How widespread is this?
I am NOT dissing anyone with legit issues.
On the contrary I sympthize big time.
I had some issues getting game to run smoother as well.
Its' frustrating and takes time.
But I'm not running around calling it a buggy mess.
And then leading to more negatives and more negatives.
Case in point with the subtext hightlighted
abearzi, on 27 Nov 2014 - 11:21 PM, said:
DAI is a buggy mess, even without all the content/ui problems.
This game is not preforming at all, and EA will have to do something to prevent it being a major flop before christmas.
At this point I have no faith in either Bioware or EA to actually make this game good.
And I'm betting EA wins the worst company award for a 3rd year running! So thats something.
Stop fighting. None of you have any factual evidence on how many people like the game nor how many people don't like the game. All you can do is wait for someone from Bioware/EA to show up and tell you the current status. If you don't want to voice your personal concerns about the game on this thread, take it to another one or private chat.
Stop fighting. None of you have any factual evidence on how many people like the game nor how many people don't like the game. All you can do is wait for someone from Bioware/EA to show up and tell you the current status. If you don't want to voice your personal concerns about the game on this thread, take it to another one or private chat.
I agree with you 100%.
I'd rather be playing the game and be fighting there.
If people were more fair in their assessments, and ceased with the bashing, then this would be a normal feedback thread.
But, come back tomorrow and watch how it all resumes on the bashing spiining things into a bigger and bigger lump of "Big Mess".
There's many legit posters here.
But there's a few playing the Orlesian game here for whatever purposes.
No. Please, do not take any page from Ubisoft whatsoever. Ubisoft knowingly released a broken game and made sure review outlets weren't able to warn their readers in time about the problems they might encounter: the review embargo was set to 12 hours after the game released.
DA:I's review embargo ended one week before launch, you could read about UI and control problems in some of these reviews and cancel your preorder and while some people have problems getting the game to run it is nowhere near as bad as the state AssCreed shipped in.
So, please: it's fair to criticize Bioware for their design decisions and/or communication with the fanbase but don't make Ubisoft out to be some shining example who a company should handle things. What Ubisoft did was so much worse; they only deserve contempt not praise.
Apparently they already took that page from Ubisoft and released a BROKEN game - have 10 friends who bought the game beside me on not one of us the game will run FULLSCREEN. 6 can't even get past char creating screen. Not to mention the other buggs and constant crashes inside....It's not "some" of us that have problems to run the game properly - MAJORITY have those problems. If game runs fluent for you, congrats, but you are small % ......
If they are going to copy the Ubi policy of releasing unfinished and untested games, they at least could copy how they deal with dmg control....
Everyone addresses my male Elf Inquisitor as if he´s a woman (pronouns and so on).
Anyone else has the same issue? He is beginning to question his virility
Yes a lot of people have problems with gender swap...
Apparently they already took that page from Ubisoft and released a BROKEN game - have 10 friends who bought the game beside me on not one of us the game will run FULLSCREEN. 6 can't even get past char creating screen. Not to mention the other buggs and constant crashes inside....It's not "some" of us that have problems to run the game properly - MAJORITY have those problems. If game runs fluent for you, congrats, but you are small % ......
If they are going to copy the Ubi policy of releasing unfinished and untested games, they at least could copy how they deal with dmg control....
Have all 6 contacted EA support?
Please do if you haven't. Staying anon helps no-one.
But the way I judge an RPG is to ask the question "Could I pretend I was someone else living in a different world, where I cared about the things that happened?" And to that question, I think the answer is a resounding yes. The NPC interactions and conversations are engaging and realistic. The world (with the exception of spawning times) is quite realistic, and is amazingly visually detailed. The story in and of itself is great, easy to go through, and rewarding for everything you do.
One thing or take on this matter does not exclude the other, and it is kinda OT, but I'd still like to stress one thing. The above is not how I judge RPGs, or role playing. I would get all that in great FPS as well. The important thing for me is if it works for playing a character I have created, who's motives, reactions and personality I decide.
I'm not saying DA:I doesn't support that to some extent. Hopefully it does. Persons I trust are telling me this is a good game.
But unfortunately, it seems most newly recruited, young developers these days have Diablo and FF as their reference frame.
I see #InquisitionRefund is a thing on Twitter this morning. How many people here on Twitter?
It need some ReTweets. It needs your opinions. Comment if you are keeping the game as an artefact?
It needs #MyInquisition tie-in. It needs more exposure outside this Bioware mortuary for the dead "PC game by PC gamers."
It is upto you if you want to be heard.
This fresh post is exactly the kind of thing all this bashing helps lead to.
The bold of his text is my emphasis.
Not cool.
How widespread is this? Really?
100 page plus posts here means very little if you have posters turning this into a bash and drama fest.
Solution: Post the facts if you have issues and move on and give Bioware time to fix this.
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I haven't played the game yet so I don't know what is going on other than to heavily rely on other peoples complaints, and reading the bug reports. As a PC player I don't feel as if Bioware is totally ignoring us PC users, and throwing us under the bus. Considering the fact that @Allan Schumacher has been very active on the forums proves otherwise.
http://forum.bioware...unity-concerns/
http://forum.bioware...re-in-the-news/
I know how disappointed people are when they experience bugs/glitches and other issues, but don't totally give up on Bioware as of yet. Give them the opportunely to fix the issues, and to give them time to release the patch. Remember that Bioware can't beta test every machine that's out there.
Im am in 50 hours now, only had 1 bug on pc sound. How can you compare this GOTY to arseins creed? unbelievable,
Easy...
Works for you - great, but as I said you are minority...The bigger portion have hardware problems with this game - from no fullscreen, some can't even run this game, some can't get past char creation screen, crashes, buggs etc. it's a wide range. Clearly was not tested.
And Ubi are actually BETTER than BW atm...which is sad...AC got 2 patches first 2 weeks. Here nothing...not even response...
Apparently they already took that page from Ubisoft and released a BROKEN game - have 10 friends who bought the game beside me on not one of us the game will run FULLSCREEN. 6 can't even get past char creating screen. Not to mention the other buggs and constant crashes inside....It's not "some" of us that have problems to run the game properly - MAJORITY have those problems. If game runs fluent for you, congrats, but you are small % ......
If they are going to copy the Ubi policy of releasing unfinished and untested games, they at least could copy how they deal with dmg control....
yeah said the guy which throws overstatements around the whole time 
and at least in origin you have a good chance for refund if not satisfied, when ubisoft tricked you to buy watchdogs or unity on steam you burned your money no matter of the condition of the game
Im am in 50 hours now, only had 1 bug on pc sound. How can you compare this GOTY to arseins creed? unbelievable,
Well first of all I didn't compare the two games if you read me correctly, just the way the two campanies are handling the damage control and communication with their comunity.
Secondly, I havn't had any gamebreaking bugs (crash, ctd, freeze, falling through decors etc) in ACU nor DA:I but I sure had a lot of minor and annoying bugs in both.
In DA:I I constantly have to use the 1 2 3 4 5 key to choose my conversation choice on the wheel, cause most of the time the mouse is lock up and can't seem to be recognized by the game (this happens mainly in Skyhold while talking to companions !). I also have massive FPS drops in some areas (Skyhold being one of them) for no reason. Even in ACU at ultra I get better framerate than DA:I.
Also on the inventory menu, I can't make the character turn with the mouse... I have to use keyboard A & E to do so which is very frustrating (that is maybe the only game i've ever played that does this).
And I have played far more than 50 hours. I've remapped almost everything possible on my logitech G13 and gaming mouse to improve the gameplay and I achieved something somehow acceptable but I know that everyone doesn't have those and shouldn't have to to play a game who should have been made with Mouse and Keyboard in mind from the begining, instead of just porting controls at the end of production cycle. Cause that's exactly what happened here.
Seriously the pc gaming community (and sadly I'm also someone who plays on pc) is the most childish and spoiled community ever. Some of you do nothing then post crap on this forum and complain, complain and complain. Ok this game might not be the best optimized game ever but it's far more optimized then the most sandbox RPG's out there (Why don't you fanboys crap on the overrated Skyrim which was 1000 times buggier. Releasing a product and letting the community to mod it is worse then what EA is doing). They did a great job on the dialogues, writing, voice, music, quests, combat etc. The tactical combat is not that hard to get used to. IT'S NOT ROCKET SCIENCE. Back in the old Bio days, you were happy if you could run the CD-Roms, now you kids have to do **** and yet you guys complain only about the negative stuff.
You knew EA always rushes devs to release games and generate income in the same fiscal years. They have stockholders and they have to satisfy them by creating new producs. Video games aren't about bunch of dudes who developed a interactive sofware so people could have fun. It's now nerve breaking stuff, make marketing campaigns, push poor junior developers as hard as you can to finsh a project. You guys sh*t on devs all the time, but go and start doing some basic programming and you'll know how hard it can be. Especially if you have a billion dollar company like EA who only thinks about generating income.
So instead of b*tching all the time on this forum, go outside and do something useful with your life. Be glad you have all these time you are wasting, later when you get a job you'll pray for some free time. Or just go and play the game. If you want sollid 60 fps on ultra settings then just uninstall the game. It's impossible to create a game like that unless you have a 1000$ gpu. Most of the issues are related to your own pc and can't be solved with any patches. That's the downside of pc gaming, every pc is different so everyone will experience a different experience. Most of you are new to Bio and most of you are ME fanboys who wanted dumbed down RPG cause DA:O was too difficult for you. So don't ****** about that either since you asked for it.
OFFCOURSE I'M NOT SAYING THAT EVERYONE IS LIKE THAT BUT FACE IT GAMERS THESE DAYS ARE SPOILED LITTLE KIDS. (sadly). With that being said don't ever pre order EA games, cause ME4, BF:hard line will be the same thing. Yet the same trolls will come back and ****** about "this is my last EA game". Go enjoy the side quests for now and wait for a patch. Big games are harder to patch because one little thing can influence a lot of things. Changing the whole camera/kb and mouse settings won't be easy because Bio had to release a demo to test what players like. Now they have to change the whole core mechanics which will take much longer. Just face it this Bio team is not the team that made BG, IW, jade empire etc etc.
zMataxa wrote:
Have all 6 contacted EA support?
Please do if you haven't. Staying anon helps no-one.
Here nothing...not even response...
That's kind of ironic you wrote that.
You obviously have ALOT of friends who can't play, and you are concerned.
Yet not even a reply to a simple question that would help all players with the same issue by making the issue frequency known to EA/Bioware.
Easy...
Works for you - great, but as I said you are minority...The bigger portion have hardware problems with this game - from no fullscreen, some can't even run this game, some can't get past char creation screen, crashes, buggs etc. it's a wide range. Clearly was not tested.
And Ubi are actually BETTER than BW atm...which is sad...AC got 2 patches first 2 weeks. Here nothing...not even response...
No he is not the minority because most of the time people who have no difficulties won't post on the forums so you are not sure if people who have 20h + gameplay are minority of majority. I have 25h of gameplay (fps on high between 45-60 with Vsync) and the only issue i had was a companion not entering a cave. And no UBI is the shittiets company when it come to consumers and pc experience. They us the same engine all the time and every AC has the same issues since AC2. AC3 wasn't patched for 2 months and still has issues. Either you don't have this game and you are trolling on Bio. It's not the most polished game but from what I read there are more people who have no problem at all, then people who have. This post have 100plus posts but most of them are from people who post like 50 times a day and others who joke around and have nothing better to do. EA/Ubi are both the worse company when it comes to releasing games and especially pc games but acting like this game is the buggiest game ever made is being an ignorant Behesda fanboy.
What? It's unfair to only let PC players have same number of keys as console!
You have to be joking!!!
I want to buy a Jaguar V12 but 8 cylinders have to be crippled so I don't make the Fiat 500 owners jealous!!
LMFAO
Please tell me if I have taken this the wrong way. I apologise if I have
While it's sometimes hard to express sarcasm in print I'd thought the quotes around unfair had done the job.
Never-the-less I'm 99.99% sure they limited PCs to the same number of key as consoles have on purpose.
After all Bioware/Electronic Arts wouldn't want the folks that paid less then half what a decent PC costs to feel PC owners have options they don't.
Ok here's my 2 cents. It's like getting handed an academy award potential movie and saying here this is the most wonderful thing you will see in years but the sound is faulty, but watch it anyway. I have been looking forward to this game with more anticipation than I care to admit to and in many ways I have not been disappointed, it has exceeded my expectations in many areas. It is massively beautiful, full of rich characters, a complex story, gorgeous artwork and I could go on and on what I like about this game. But lets face it, the PC fighting controls suck. I found myself just putting the setting on casual just so I could rush through the fights and get them over with. That takes half of the fun away! And I get irritated every time I have to walk all the way up to a chest, look for the faint little circle and for the small hand to come up just to open it. And I wish there was a way to just toggle the search ON instead of constantly having to push the V button to see anything, and most of the time I can't find it anyway because there is no indication where that little bit of loot is, the outline isn't distinct enough. I'm not going to go into what it would take to fix the controls because that has been listed many times throughout this post and I agree with 99% of them. My real issue is this: Why are PC players getting pushed to the back seat and treated like second class citizens behind console players? I maintain a perfectly good PC that is multipurpose and can handle my gaming needs plus my personal needs. Why are we being blatantly pushed to buying into the console world? Are the console devs really that powerful to call the shots? I have to say that I am REALLY disappointed with the lack of consideration to the PC players out there with this release and I have been an ardent Bioware fan and defender to my friends who refuse to buy their games because they don't like EA. I don't get into politics much and I've never tried to form an opinion about them one way or another, but Bioware you are breaking my heart! We PC gamers MATTER!, don't forget us!
Well there are couple of factors:
- First consoles actually are not leading in game sales. Haven't been for the last 3 years. And their % of game sales is getting smaller each year, while PC grows. Think last year the statistics were something like 55% PC for games sales and the rest was shared between consoles + mobile phones games. This year it's bigger as well.
Now that in itself sounds strange when you think how almost all dev give PC players console ports. And there are couple of reasons for that as well :
-Console players WILL buy game based on reviews, since they can't "pirate" the game to try it if it's worth buying. So there they got guaranteed sales.
-As I said for PC players - many will try a game before buying (there are exceptions - like DAI since most PC players loved BW games before). This acts like a shield against faulty products/unfinished games. Apparently devs don't like that anymore. They don't like to push themselves to create finished product. Hence they don't' get sales on the PC market.
That being said - PC market is much more rewarding, if you actually care about the product you are releasing, ask Valve. You create following that is loyal. If you enable modding these people will even help with many fixes/crashes/mods/patches that will save you lots of money in the long run, and will make your game life longer. Example - BG/Skyrim/Oblivion/NWN/DAO all followed those rules and were great success. Even today people play them, mods are being made. And even today people buy them. For example of the strong communities if you played BG and BG2:SoA, then you would notice how the engines are very different and SoA looks way better than BG. There is mod created from collaboration in the BG community that actually TRANSLATES the whole BG in the BG2 engine....I can't even tell you how many work hours and passion were poured there and the amount of people doing it for free, because they liked the game...not to mention the hundreds of mods if not thousands that add new quests or storyline...Now BW still have these people behinds them, just not behind their new games- and that's why they will be forgotten easily....
- After they make their game for console and port it to PC, some people will still buy it - so now they got guaranteed sales from console market and bonus sales from PC market. Will their profit be as good as if they made good game focused on PC market? No. But it's safer for them.
Now there is another issue here, as to why devs are pushing more people towards the console market:
- The console % of game sales is shrinking each year. According to researches in 10 years the market will be swallowed by the PC sector. So they are trying to prevent that. Why? Because most devs are getting too lazy to be bothered to get good games out there. They want sales even for broken products. The way to achieve that is to keep the console market alive.
And there is another thing there as well. Who is the biggest player in the PC market in general? Microsoft. Who also makes consoles? Microsoft. So there you have it - they are pushing other companies to develop primary for consoles as well
I might be an odd one out here, but as someone who thinks Dragon Age Origin and Mass Effect 1 are two of the finest games ever and has been highly critical of BioWare since ME2.....I'm loving Dragon Age Inquisition. Sure there are a lot of interface and control thinks that could be tweaked, and im not sold on the set levels and healing handling, but I hold those flaws at the same level as some flaws I had with ME and DAO.
The game itself is right up there in terms of games I'll be playing in years to come.
I can certainly feel for people having technical issues though. Havent come across any myself and performance is awesome, so I hope everyone with those issues gets sorted soon.
I don't agree with you - the game will be forgotten in 1 year max. Why? No modds...Now you might think that it's not important - but take a look at Skyrim, without mods it would have been mediocre game. But people made patches, UI changes, characters, quest, immersion and the game sells even today. That's how BW was before catering for consoles, and their old games still make sales. Mods are really important for RPG games - they increase your game life by a huge amount, by adding fixes, quests, even whole storylines.
Good for you that you like this game. But it has large amount of issues on PC, which for the majority kills the joy of the good story...
Is there any chance that I can get a refund for the game through tech support? Should I ask? I only have 3 hours played until I realized the gender swap thing was actually a thing and I do not want to restart. I also can't wait until Christmas for them to release a patch (it looks like that's where they are going with this). I bought the game to play it now that I have some free time, not at Bioware's earliest convenience.
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