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#2851
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Why so many posts?

As John McLean said in one of the Die-hard Movies "Someone has to be that guy".

 

And that someone would be a Bioware rep, not a self-appointed internet white knight. You offer nothing constructive and have no unique insight. Your posts here are clearly inflammatory towards a rightfully annoyed portion of the community with legitimate grievances. 


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One more thing i want to mention is an assumption that EA/Bioware don't support mods because they want to sell moar dlcs. I don't know if it's actually true or not.

 

But take a look at TES. When they release another addon, players always buy them because modders begin to make new content that requires those addons, end of story. You don't have addons, you don't have cool new content made by game fans.

However, without mods devs can sell minor things like rings, armor, weapons, etc., ie things that would be almost useless for moddable game because anyone can make one, or at least download for free. Thus, they have money without need to make really big, meaningful addons, like Bethesda.



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Statistically valid?  Huh?  How do I even begin. 

You are pulling 50% out of your .... and you know it.

 

What's tedious and insipid is this constant bashing.

Post your facts and move on. 

Why turn this into a bash fest?  What are you trying to achieve.  Really?

 

Seriously you want more statements from Bioware with etas?

That's just setting them up a trap for them and you know it. 

Reality is software fixing can have unknowns.

You think they are gonna just abandon legitimate concerned users for those who can't play due to technical impasses.  100% not likely. 

Preference impasse - well that's a whole other issue. Join some of the others and start a feedback thread if you have a pref-impasse.

You know - you are being over aggressive towards people who paid for 1 product and they got another.

It's just making them angrier.

It's like you are blindly defending company that lied to your face and you are strangely ok with it...

So let me ask you something and you answer honestly:

I have car dealership - you come and pay for SUV so you can drive with your family of 4. I deliver motorcycle. You complain. After 1 week you trying to contact me  I tell you " But your 2 neighbours were ok with it, as they made the same deal, so you should be as well. Just adapt. But if you MUST insist I will change it for you. Someday. Maybe". Now since that doesn't help you in your need to drive 4 people around and since you paid for SUV and you expected an SUV, would you happily accept, or would you come down to the dealership to punch me in the face?


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#2854
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Why so many posts? You don't have any concerns related to PC version? Move on.

 

Marketing 101 begs to differ.

Inquisitors tend to get busy when they suspect trolls at work.

 

If people post a few times and move on fine.

This rehashing of DAI has "major problem" for so many users, and "get refund" is just a drama-fest.

 

And yes, I wouldn't be surprised if we have a collective working this forum for there Orlesian purposes.



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Seriously the pc gaming community (and sadly I'm also someone who plays on pc) is the most childish and spoiled community ever. Some of you do nothing then post crap on this forum and complain, complain and complain. Ok this game might not be the best optimized game ever but it's far more optimized then the most sandbox RPG's out there (Why don't you fanboys crap on the overrated Skyrim which was 1000 times buggier. Releasing a product and letting the community to mod it is worse then what EA is doing). They did a great job on the dialogues, writing, voice, music, quests, combat etc. The tactical combat is not that hard to get used to. IT'S NOT ROCKET SCIENCE. Back in the old Bio days, you were happy if you could run the CD-Roms, now you kids have to do **** and yet you guys complain only about the negative stuff.

 

You knew EA always rushes devs to release games and generate income in the same fiscal years. They have stockholders and they have to satisfy them by creating new producs. Video games aren't about bunch of dudes who developed a interactive sofware so people could have fun. It's now nerve breaking stuff, make marketing campaigns, push poor junior developers as hard as you can to finsh a project. You guys sh*t on devs all the time, but go and start doing some basic programming and you'll know how hard it can be. Especially if you have a billion dollar company like EA who only thinks about generating income.

 

So instead of b*tching all the time on this forum, go outside and do something useful with your life. Be glad you have all these time you are wasting, later when you get a job you'll pray for some free time. Or just go  and play the game. If you want sollid 60 fps on ultra settings then just uninstall the game. It's impossible to create a game like that unless you have a 1000$ gpu. Most of the issues are related to your own pc and can't be solved with any patches. That's the downside of pc gaming, every pc is different so everyone will experience a different experience. Most of you are new to Bio and most of you are ME fanboys who wanted dumbed down RPG cause DA:O was too difficult for you. So don't ****** about that either since you asked for it.

 

OFFCOURSE I'M NOT SAYING THAT EVERYONE IS LIKE THAT BUT FACE IT GAMERS THESE DAYS ARE SPOILED LITTLE KIDS. (sadly). With that being said don't ever pre order EA games, cause ME4, BF:hard line will be the same thing. Yet the same trolls will come back and ****** about "this is my last EA game". Go enjoy the side quests for now and wait for a patch. Big games are harder to patch because one little thing can influence a lot of things. Changing the whole camera/kb and mouse settings won't be easy because Bio had to release a demo to test what players like. Now they have to change the whole core mechanics which will take much longer. Just face it this Bio team is not the team that made BG, IW, jade empire etc etc.

WTF are you talking about? Next time you have a meltdown, wait to get better before you start posting in a forum.

 

  • You start your post calling the entire pc gaming community as the most childish and spoiled community ever, yet you described yourself as someone who plays on pc?
  • How can you possibly compare the expected optimization of a supposed AAA game with sandbox RPG's out there? Is like comparing apples with hamburgers.
  • Why people on the Bioware forums should go to troll Skyrim forums? That doesn't make any sense. Specially if you are not a Skyrim gamer.
  • Stop calling gamers "Kids". Why you assume that people posting on this forum are kids?
  • People are complaining here for very valid reasons. Incessant crashes, game breaker glitches, people with disabilities who can not play with controllers,  hundreds and maybe thousands of people who can't even access the game after paying US$70 or US$80.  Who gives you the right to call them spoiled?
  • Then you go into an incomprehensive diatribe about EA's  way to make money, junior devs and who knows what else altogether. So for you is right to attack EA but it is horrible for the rest of the world to complain about their defective product?
  • You stated that people on this forum "complain only about the negative stuff". Can you tell me how someone can complain about something positive? Positive stuff don't require complaining.
  • And if it wasn't enough nonsense and disrespect on your post, you end up assuming that PC gamers are either all unemployed or all just a bunch of loafers with your "go outside and do something useful with their life. Be glad you have all these time you are wasting, later when you get a job you'll pray for some free time." Who do you think you are?

 

 

  


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#2856
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I 100% agree with this! 

Looking around for loot when a ladder or a door is causing the ping is super annoying. Landmarks, doors and ladders really do not need to have a ping sound to them.

 

'Search' button... How many times have I spammed that V key? :angry: IMO it should be as in DA2; we could hold a button to make loot/interactables to show up, or we could even toggle it permanently (and without sound too!)


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#2857
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You know - you are being over aggressive towards people who paid for 1 product and they got another.

It's just making them angrier.

It's like you are blindly defending company that lied to your face and you are strangely ok with it...

So let me ask you something and you answer honestly:

I have car dealership - you come and pay for SUV so you can drive with your family of 4. I deliver motorcycle. You complain. After 1 week you trying to contact me  I tell you " But your 2 neighbours were ok with it, as they made the same deal, so you should be as well. Just adapt. But if you MUST insist I will change it for you. Someday. Maybe". Now since that doesn't help you in your need to drive 4 people around, would you happily accept, or would you come down to the dealership to punch me in the face?

 

I am aggressive towards those who are throwing around terms like the majority have issues or this is a big mess.

I have repeatedly posted i want legit users to be looked after and i sympathize as a user.

If you choose to ignore or don't get how I am trying to reframe this away from big mess bashing, well then I'm not sure what I can say about your respect for the people who made this game.



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Well at this point - I am putting the game on shelf until month or 2 and will be looking for something new.

 

Lets take a look at what's available....

 

Oh look steam sales - 5567 titles on sale for 2 days....Got Witcher 1 and 2 for 10 euro for both games .....

 

Praised be our Lord and Saviour GABEN :)


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#2859
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You offer nothing constructive and have no unique insight. Your posts here are clearly inflammatory towards

 

Simple solution.  Stop inflaming and bashing with your negative subtexts and move on.

Start a feed-back group for pref-impasse issues.

 

Can we agree there.

Or do you feel your posts add something constructive?

If so please clarify how they are adding?



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I really admire and respect all the hardwork Bioware has been putting.

 

But come on; you say that you are in the process of discussing implementing walk toggle as a low cost feauture to boot which is already available on other platforms... I mean in a AAA budget game with over 3+ years of development time...

 

Some of the issues we are discussing here are so basic, so simple and default for pc that we shouldn't even be discussing right now. For example tooltips...

 

If you are in a state of discussing such features as low cost changes to boot; i believe you rather should be discussing if you need a pc version of this game in the first place...

THIS ^

 

I am under the impression that this iteration of the Dragon Age franchise requires two separate games - not a port from one set-up to another. Maybe it is just as fundamental as Frostbite is not the engine for the PC RPG game. Two different games = equals two diffeent play styles and two different interfaces.

 

On the revenue upside, this might lead to increased sales as PC + Console owners (do all Console players own a PC or am I assuming too much) purchase the same game for different platforms to experience different in-game experiences. Rather than what appears to be a messy mash up that damages one revenue stream..



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One more thing i want to mention is an assumption that EA/Bioware don't support mods because they want to sell moar dlcs. I don't know if it's actually true or not.

 

But take a look at TES. When they release another addon, players always buy them because modders begin to make new content that requires those addons, end of story. You don't have addons, you don't have cool new content made by game fans.

However, without mods devs can sell minor things like rings, armor, weapons, etc., ie things that would be almost useless for moddable game because anyone can make one, or at least download for free. Thus, they have money without need to make really big, meaningful addons, like Bethesda.

 

I think this is a good point.

 

Like you said, I don't know the exact reasoning behind certain decisions, but it is a fact that Bethesda (and CDPR) fully support mods.

And yes, as a consequence, they never out out small DLCs or weapon packs etc., just decently sized "expansions" (I think both Dragonborn and Dawnguard can be called expansions).

 

And yes, these same mods and how Bethesda supports them is the main reason why the PC version gets better and better with time and people always go back to playing it.

 

They stuck to their formula of an open-world, eploration-based RPG and made it better.

 

At the same time, Bioware made a hugely successful and critically acclaimed DA:O... And then just completely stepped away from their own formula and went re-inventing the wheel over and over in DA2 and DA:I.

 

To be clear, DA:I is a massive step up from DA2, but a good number of core design decision went on to mellow out the RP elements in the game and make is "more accessible" and easier to get into for you average non-RPG gamer.

 

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Some of this is fact, some if this is opinion...

IMO though, you go about making a better RPG by making a better RPG. Building on the good stuff, seeing what worked and what didn't, etc.

NOT by scratching a big number of the elements that made the game good in the first place.

 

My biggest issue with DA:I is not that isn't a good game. It IS a good game.

Just that IMO it could've so easily been great. Which it isn't.


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#2862
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I am aggressive towards those who are throwing around terms like the majority have issues or this is a big mess.

I have repeatedly posted i want legit users to be looked after and i sympathize as a user.

If you choose to ignore or don't get how I am trying to reframe this away from big mess bashing, well then I'm not sure what I can say about your respect for the people who made this game.

Still din't answer my question there....

And people have the right to be angry and bash, since there is no information whatsoever...

And if you can't comprehend that you are actually making them angrier.... well this is sad as well.

And for the last time THE MAJORITY HAVE issues. You wishing it to not be true doesn't make it, you know - not true.

Since you are so keen on asking people for evidence, and then don't even bother to comprehend it, once showed to you :

Where is your evidence that the majority don't have issues?

What you don't' have any? Well according to your logic, you are now in the wrong and we can start bashing you. :)

But seriously now, let people vent - they have the right to it. The time for constructive feedback is long past, as there is absolutely no answer from BW on it. So now the only thing left is bashing. You don't like it - don't read it.

You are fine being lied to and then ignored when you ask for explanation? Well others are not.

Again read not only half of my upper response to you, and answer my question there truthfully. 



#2863
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Marketing 101 begs to differ.

Inquisitors tend to get busy when they suspect trolls at work.

 

If people post a few times and move on fine.

This rehashing of DAI has "major problem" for so many users, and "get refund" is just a drama-fest.

 

And yes, I wouldn't be surprised if we have a collective working this forum for there Orlesian purposes.

How many more of your post will we have to stand? You made your point. Why you keep repeating it over and over? Are you getting paid by Bioware/EA to troll on this thread? If not, please go somewhere else. You are not adding anything constructive to the concerns of the PC community regarding the topics of this thread.



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DA:I is a decent game but its a mediocre rpg.

 

Bioware could have done so much more with it, could have been much more ambitious than simply creating huge levels and calling it a "feature". As Bethesda has proven time and again, to great commercial and critical success, these types of RPG's demand huge support of the modding community to fill them out, it impossible to create compelling quality content and game systems on the timetable most developers work these days, so by providing tools to the player community, the game continues to sell for years past its release... just look at Minicraft or Skyrim. 


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'Search' button... How many times have I spammed that V key? :angry: IMO it should be as in DA2; we could hold a button to make loot/interactables to show up, or we could even toggle it permanently (and without sound too!)

I don't have that problem because my V key already fell off :D But you're totally right it's details like this that in whole can completely ruin the gameplay experience, I expected studio like BW would really think this through or do I smell Darkspawn consoles here... :P



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Still din't answer my question there....

And people have the right to be angry and bash, since there is no information whatsoever...

 

Your going to have to explain how Bioware lied to our faces first.  That's at the heart of your question.

I don't understand that point.

 

Read the OP.  There's the info.  They are aware of issues and are working on multiple fronts.

A twitter feed of day to day updates/etas isn't gonna happen.

They are working on it VERY diligently.  You can count on it.

Jumping up and down doesn't help anyone in this situation.

 

If you have pref-impasse - setup a group.  That's a different issue.



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One more thing i want to mention is an assumption that EA/Bioware don't support mods because they want to sell moar dlcs. I don't know if it's actually true or not.

 

But take a look at TES. When they release another addon, players always buy them because modders begin to make new content that requires those addons, end of story. You don't have addons, you don't have cool new content made by game fans.

However, without mods devs can sell minor things like rings, armor, weapons, etc., ie things that would be almost useless for moddable game because anyone can make one, or at least download for free. Thus, they have money without need to make really big, meaningful addons, like Bethesda.

 

it can go both ways. tes games sells so well on pc BECAUSE of the mod possibilities. vanilla skyrim is a mediocre consolport with many bugs too and bethesda let the community fix the game and enhance it. meanwhile they focus on develop dlcs ;) so thinking the modability of the game is consumerfriendly is not the right point of view even when in the end the customers benefit from it.

 

yeah modding is a nice thing, but as far as i know the structure of the frostbite engine is not modfriendly by itself.


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I think this is a good point.
 
Like you said, I don't know the exact reasoning behind certain decisions, but it is a fact that Bethesda (and CDPR) fully support mods.
And yes, as a consequence, they never out out small DLCs or weapon packs etc., just decently sized "expansions" (I think both Dragonborn and Dawnguard can be called expansions).

You forget that Bethesda is the one who started the DLC-madness (remember Horse Armor?). And even for Skyrim there was this little payware addon called 'Hearthfire'...

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#2869
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yeah modding is a nice thing, but as far as i know the structure of the frostbite engine is not modfriendly by itself.

 

I know very little about modding myself, but seeing what kind of amazing stuff the modders pull off in games, I'm relatively certain they could do some stuff in DA:I, given the chance.

 

I mean, FROM Software couldn't find a way to fix frame rate and resolution on their Dark Souls PC version.
They supported mods though.

It took literally one hour from release for a modder for fix both issues.



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I don't have that problem because my V key already fell off :D But you're totally right it's details like this that in whole can completely ruin the gameplay experience, I expected studio like BW would really think this through or do I smell Darkspawn consoles here... :P

 

And such a small detail, which is most of the gripe I have about Inquisition:

It's a fantastic game, with a huge scope and it is so excellent on so many levels  B) ... but then there are these 'little things', these small changes that make no sense at all. The game is like 80 hours (I love it, amazing depth!), but then you want me to spam my V key 50.000 times with an annoying ping sound? :blink:



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Your going to have to explain how Bioware lied to our faces first.  That's at the heart of your question.

I don't understand that point.

 

Read the OP.  There's the info.  They are aware of issues and are working on multiple fronts.

A twitter feed of day to day updates/etas isn't gonna happen.

They are working on it VERY diligently.  You can count on it.

Jumping up and down doesn't help anyone in this situation.

 

If you have pref-impasse - setup a group.  That's a different issue.

There are 115 pages explaining how BW lied. Guess you didn't bother reading them or choose to ignore.

And there is no info in the OP. WHAT are they going to fix? WHAT issues are they attempting to address? Again it's not so much WHEN as in WHAT. Because a lot of people will decide if they want to return the game based on that.

And no - they are not working diligently. Why? It's explained in depth here. Again you didn't' bother to read? 

If you can't understand WHY they lied, well sorry but you are just troll or blindly defending.

And jumping up and down is the only thing left to do at this point. Since BW apparently doesn't understand anything else.


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I know very little about modding myself, but seeing what kind of amazing stuff the modders pull off in games, I'm relatively certain they could do some stuff in DA:I, given the chance.

 

I mean, FROM Software couldn't find a way to fix frame rate and resolution on their Dark Souls PC version.
They supported mods though.

It took literally one hour from release for a modder for fix both issues.

 

its not a matter if they could or not, its a matter how the engine works. frostbyte was developed from dice for a multiplayer shooter, so modding was never a goal because the intention was that everybody has the same client to minimize cheating



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Speaking of modability: I'm of the opinion that a game should already be good by it's own: a mediocre game with a lot of great mods is still a mediocre game at it's core.

Don't get me wrong: I actually enjoyed vanilla-Skyrim very much without having one mod installed (it appears I'm a rarity here), and I personally thought it was a big improvement over Oblivion and at least as good as Morrowind (remember Morrowind was not THAT good: It had Cliff-Racers...those nostalgic glasses...). And it crashed far less than the both of them (which is a first for Bethesda).

I'm not against mods however, since it can enhance an already good game to 'excellent' levels. And yes it can also make a mediocre game, or a great game with sh*t controls (Dark Souls) into a great game.

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**** it i want to play the ****** game on PC

i dont want to buy the PS4 version cause my PC can handle it much better

 

so why there been 2days since allan post a message here and no 1 from bioware tell us some news about upcoming patch!!!

 

im freaking mad what thats ****?realse a broken game and dont give a **** about community?

 

****** look on AC:U  / FC4 they might gave us day 1 broken games but comeon...

 

FC already got many patchs and will get more 

AC:U gave players free game and they will fix most AC:U problems

 

 

and we dont even get a single offical comment about whats going on...

 

sry for saying the F word too much but im just angry so much.


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**** it i want to play the ****** game on PC
i dont want to buy the PS4 version cause my PC can handle it much better
 
so why there been 2days since allan post a message here and no 1 from bioware tell us some news about upcoming patch!!!
 
im freaking mad what thats ****?realse a broken game and dont give a **** about community?
 
****** look on AC:U  / FC4 they might gave us day 1 broken games but comeon...
 
FC already got many patchs and will get more 
AC:U gave players free game and they will fix most AC:U problems
 
 
and we dont even get a single offical comment about whats going on...
 
sry for saying the F word too much but im just angry so much.

What F-word? FC4? fix? free? Shame on you then!