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Fact is that from a pure graphics perspective, there is almost no difference anymore between the PC and the PS4 with this game.
So it comes down to the control mechanism of mouse and keyboard. And the modability (which isn't there).
Consoles can now produce a graphic experience that matches the PC.
There is no vast difference between them anymore.
Fact is that from a pure graphics perspective, there is almost no difference anymore between the PC and the PS4 with this game.
So it comes down to the control mechanism of mouse and keyboard. And the modability (which isn't there).
Consoles can now produce a graphic experience that matches the PC.
There is no vast difference between them anymore.
im not sure thats right ... PC should give us better graphics/Fps compared to PS4 which limited in those terms.
Well, I never said there wasn't, just not anytime soon
And again I'm really sorry I've come to be so sarcastic and cynical but understand that I've played PC games my whole life, my RPG references are games likes Baldur's gate, Planescape torment, the witcher, and even Dragon Age origins !
I don't deny the qualities of DA:I, otherwise I would not have kept playing it, but I know for sure now that it will never be a true PC game.
And BW will never do a true PC game ever again, it's a fact. What you cal PC game is just plain old and simple PORT from crap console, and the sooner you admit it to yourselves back at BW, the sooner you'll be able to move on and let your players know what you actually do.
Truth and transparency are better in the long term that lies and half truth masked behind some good PR.
black PR [fixed]
And +1. An unclear mission statement like this mess of "Console games created by PC gamers on PCs to be ported to a PC game" is a real internal cluster. You know the old saying: beauty from within. This is just plain ugly.
i might take the opportunity to ask you
i got a GTX 680 Gigabyte 2GB
is it good enough for DA:I / FC4 ?
i also got I5-3570K/256GB 830 Samsong ssd/4gb ram 1600hz but next week im going to get my new 1866hz corsair from repair
also im using win7
Your CPU and GPU are at recommended or better for FC4. Even for DA:I you should be able to play with High and Ultra settings in some area's (just make sure you turn off some of the specular effects and anti-aliasing. The problem you will face will be with RAM. You'll need at lest 6 gigs for both games (for high/ultra),but that value may vary depending on how big the screen that you play on is
zMataxa,
I appreciate what you are trying to do here, but I question whether it is really necessary and suggest it might actually be counter-productive to add fuel to the flames by antagonising other forum posters in this manner.
I have read this thread from the beginning without posting until now and to my perspective it has generally been pretty civil and reasonable (I am considering whether to purchase DA:I and this thread addresses the key factors that will determine if I will or not. By the way, why are you suggesting that I shouldn't have a voice here? How would excluding people like me from discussion help foster a community or help people make informed decisions about their purchases?). There has been some hyperbole and crude language from both 'sides' - ie those with grievances and those who wish to defend Bioware (including yourself eg 'jumping up and down').
I also don't have a problem with people describing this situation as a 'big mess', 'broken product' or so on. I am generally able to read between the lines to hear what people are meaning to say without taking everyone too literally. After all, it is acceptable for people to vent some of their frustrations in this thread, indeed this may be one of the reasons it was created - to serve as containment. Unless you would dispute that people have legitimate grounds to feel frustrated/angry and the right to express that? And what is wrong with people posting daily about a topic they have a strong interest in anyway, that you deem this unacceptable?
If you want to 'reframe this away from big mess bashing' then it would be better to make a strong case for why this situation shouldn't be seen as such a mess (in terms of unethical marketing, deficient functionality of a released product and public relations). Calling people out for attempting to claim the majority doesn't do much to discredit the notion that there are a substantial number of people facing serious technical problems, besides those feeling deceived by Bioware's marketing campaign. As things stand, based on my observations from various sources across the internet, this is one of the worst PC releases of a AAA video game I have seen. These things are obviously subjective to some extent, yet I don't think it contentious to claim that this is not a satisfactory release for either Bioware or consumers in general.
Additionally, I also don't think it is helpful to separate the concerns the PC community are sharing (no, I don't mean all concerns are shared universally) into purely technical and 'preference impasse' categories. For example, the limitations of the tactical camera as currently implemented appear to be a technical problem by nature - unless you consider the current zoom depth, inability to zoom-out indoors or getting stuck on terrain as being working as intended and acceptable. I could frame this problem as saying I would prefer the tac-cam was more functional, but this wouldn't address the argument of whether or not the tac-cam as currently implemented should be acceptable to customers, particularly when it was highly marketed as a major selling point for many. So to categorise the tac-cam as a purely personal preference issue is arbitrary and unnecessarily divisive.
Regarding the perception of whether or not Bioware has lied to its customers, I would be most appreciative if you, or anyone for that matter, could address how this video http://www.youtube.c...h?v=O0Dp7HeW9vs as reported here http://www.incgamers...s-pc-hype-video does not amount to wilful deception of potential customers by misrepresenting their product. bEVEsthda made a valiant attempt to defend Bioware earlier in the thread but I did not find the arguments provided very logical. Shifting the blame to EA does not absolve Bioware of responsibility. Arguing that Mike Laidlaw technically spoke the truth by saying they 'kinda' kept their PC legacy is also a pretty tenuous defense considering how misleading it was in context. I mean, I suppose one could argue that saying "the [emphasis mine] combat HUD was created specifically for PC" can also be seen as technically true, after all they did create a HUD for the PC version right?. Even if these statements were edited together (out of context somehow?) by an unscrupulous EA marketing department as bEVsthda conjectured, this wouldn't absolve Bioware from responsibility for their marketing material. And ignorance is not an excuse to make stuff up. If Elizibeth Lehtonen has not played DA:O then she should not have claimed that the "tactical camera and pause & play is just like you would expect from Origins".
- Edited to fix link. Hmm, I can't get the second link to work properly for some reason, apologies.
- Never-mind, fixed.
Lots of PC players with controller are playing just fine.
You're not hearing from many of them because they ARE playing the game.
Graphics on PC will be much better than PS3.
I can't speak for the console users but for me:
To play with a controller = useless tac cam = not funny at all
To play with a kb+m = useless tac cam = not funny at all
This is a Dragon Age (the name at least), not a Devil May Cry.
Your CPU and GPU are at recommended or better for FC4. Even for DA:I you should be able to play with High and Ultra settings in some area's (just make sure you turn off some of the specular effects and anti-aliasing. The problem you will face will be with RAM. You'll need at lest 6 gigs for both games (for high/ultra),but that value may vary depending on how big the screen that you play on is
yea i need to get my new 8GB rams soon...
im using a benq 120hz monitor.
yea i need to get my new 8GB rams soon...
im using a benq 120hz monitor.
Yeah you need at least 6gb for Ultra at 1080p.Your CPU is good enough to Ultra DAI but you won't be able to Ultra everything on your GPU. You'll probably get 40-50 FPS consistently, any card with less 2gb VRAM won't see 60fps. Specular effects seem a bit wonky on this game anyway ( On low-ultra). I don't think its using VRAM on computers properly since its drastically different from consoles
Hey Allan,
I just wanted to point out that I think everyone at Bioware did a very good job with DA:I, specially considering how disappointing the last one was (Reuse of the same dungeons, little to no exploration, uggly textures).
In that respect Inquisition is definitly a very good new installement in the franchise.
However, like many PC gamers here, I am baffled that no one at BW (you included appearently) noticed the poor controls and UI for the PC version. Considering that no stream was ever done on PC, I find it hard to believe that no one knew about this at BW. Surely feels like you guys knew about it and hoped that PC gamers would just "roll with it". But hey... I will give you guys the benefit of the doubt.
I havn't asked for a refund as I trully love the new direction inquisition is taking (though the story kind feels a bit underwelming compared to Origins so far) but Allan... I work 10.... sometimes 12 hours a day. When i go back home, I want to relax and just enjoy a game... So far... I just can't enjoy inquisition properly. Everytime I start playing, I feel like i am "fighting" with the controls to get my characters to do what I want them to do. It's frustrating, it tires me... I quit playing after an hour max (at this rate i won't finish the game untill next summer).
I tried to adapt to them, but i just can't. The UI, character responsivness, controlls clearly screams : "Plug your Xbox controller to enjoy the game properly" (Don't mind if the game works great with controller, but it feels like it's the way the game is meant to be played... Which is kinda troubling). On a keyboard/Mouse it just doesn't work properly. We wouldn't be talking about a patch if it was, let's be honest.
DA:O had it's own bag of issues, but damn did this game worked perfectly on PC. I replayed it 9 freaking times. Never get tired of it. Origins is HARD, but in a fair and challenging way. Inquisition, it's just frustrating.
DA;I as it stands now, i don't think i will be able to actually finish the game. It's just too painfull to play for me just because of the poorly optimized controlls and UI on PC. I guess i could purchase an Xbox controller, but sorry... If i wanted a console, i would buy a console.
The reason why PC gamers love PC games above all is not only because of the fact that they can get the better graphics that their beast can muster. More importantly, they want tight, precise controls. There is a reason why E-sport is usually around PC games rather than console games (Fighting games aside).
When the simple act of looking around to enjoy the scenery is a struggle on PC, than I am sorry but your PC port has a serious problem. (I mean the fact that i have to old down the mouse button to change the view angle, and even if i do it kinda feels slow regarless of how i configure the cam speed)
I know you guys said that you are working on it, but please take the PC gaming community more seriously in the futur. Consoles are a big market, we get it! And by all means, i am VERY glad that more gamers get to experience your beautifull games. But please... Not at the detriment of PC gamers.
Ubisoft has been neglecting their PC port games lately and look how critisized they are today. Don't follow their path please.
I am still looking forward for futur games from BW, but mark my words.. I will not pre-order from you guys again unless I am sure that you tune your PC ports correctly.
On that note, i hope your guys will be able to atleast give us an ETA on the patches soon. Untill then, i will put the game on cryo. And sadly i can't recommend it to my friends (Though i will to those who can play it on next gen consoles). So please, do fix this...
Regards and best wishes,
John
zMataxa,
I appreciate what you are trying to do here, but I question whether it is really necessary and suggest it might actually be counter-productive to add fuel to the flames by antagonising other forum posters in this manner.
I have read this thread from the beginning without posting until now and to my perspective it has generally been pretty civil and reasonable (I am considering whether to purchase DA:I and this thread addresses the key factors that will determine if I will or not. By the way, why are you suggesting that I shouldn't have a voice here? How would excluding people like me from discussion help foster a community or help people make informed decisions about their purchases?). There has been some hyperbole and crude language from both 'sides' - ie those with grievances and those who wish to defend Bioware (including yourself eg 'jumping up and down').
I also don't have a problem with people describing this situation as a 'big mess', 'broken product' or so on. I am generally able to read between the lines to hear what people are meaning to say without taking everyone too literally. After all, it is acceptable for people to vent some of their frustrations in this thread, indeed this may be one of the reasons it was created - to serve as containment. Unless you would dispute that people have legitimate grounds to feel frustrated/angry and the right to express that? And what is wrong with people posting daily about a topic they have a strong interest in anyway, that you deem this unacceptable?
If you want to 'reframe this away from big mess bashing' then it would be better to make a strong case for why this situation shouldn't be seen as such a mess (in terms of unethical marketing, deficient functionality of a released product and public relations). Calling people out for attempting to claim the majority doesn't do much to discredit the notion that there are a substantial number of people facing serious technical problems, besides those feeling deceived by Bioware's marketing campaign. As things stand, based on my observations from various sources across the internet, this is one of the worst PC releases of a AAA video game I have seen. These things are obviously subjective to some extent, yet I don't think it contentious to claim that this is not a satisfactory release for either Bioware or consumers in general.
Additionally, I also don't think it is helpful to separate the concerns the PC community are sharing (no, I don't mean all concerns are shared universally) into purely technical and 'preference impasse' categories. For example, the limitations of the tactical camera as currently implemented appear to be a technical problem by nature - unless you consider the current zoom depth, inability to zoom-out indoors or getting stuck on terrain as being working as intended and acceptable. I could frame this problem as saying I would prefer the tac-cam was more functional, but this wouldn't address the argument of whether or not the tac-cam as currently implemented should be acceptable to customers, particularly when it was highly marketed as a major selling point for many. So to categorise the tac-cam as a purely personal preference issue is arbitrary and unnecessarily divisive.
Regarding the perception of whether or not Bioware has lied to its customers, I would be most appreciative if you, or anyone for that matter, could address how this video http://www.youtube.c...h?v=O0Dp7HeW9vs as reported here http://www.incgamers...s-pc-hype-video does not amount to wilful deception of potential customers by misrepresenting their product. bEVEsthda made a valiant attempt to defend Bioware earlier in the thread but I did not find the arguments provided very logical. Shifting the blame to EA does not absolve Bioware of responsibility. Arguing that Mike Laidlaw technically spoke the truth by saying they 'kinda' kept their PC legacy is also a pretty tenuous defense considering how misleading it was in context. I mean, I suppose one could argue that saying "the [emphasis mine] combat HUD was created specifically for PC" can also be seen as technically true, after all they did create a HUD for the PC version right?. Even if these statements were edited together (out of context somehow?) by an unscrupulous EA marketing department as bEVsthda conjectured, this wouldn't absolve Bioware from responsibility for their marketing material. And ignorance is not an excuse to make stuff up. If Elizibeth Lehtonen has not played DA:O then she should not have claimed that the "tactical camera and pause & play is just like you would expect from Origins".
- Edited to fix link. Hmm, I can't get the second link to work properly for some reason, apologies.
- Never-mind, fixed.
+1 THIS!
My guess is Bioware haven't given us any info for so long, just so ppl dont go cancel their purchase before it's too late - just expecting that a patch or some detailed info is just around the corner. Which is isn't. Not by far.
If they were working on something substantial, we would've known by know.
Such a masterpiece of a game, killed by awkward gameplay and controls.
My guess is Bioware haven't given us any info for so long, just so ppl dont go cancel their purchase before it's too late - just expecting that a patch or some detailed info is just around the corner. Which is isn't. Not by far.
If they were working on something substantial, we would've known by know.
Such a masterpiece of a game, killed by awkward gameplay and controls.
You wouldn't mind if I just echo that in massive bold letters:
Such a masterpiece of a game, killed by awkward gameplay and controls.
I took the liberty of compiling a list of threads, which show the issues people would like resolved, to be used at your convenience. we would very much welcome your feedback on our suggestions.
I was just shutting down and you replied.
I may have to come back tomorrow now.
John Mclean's spirit out.
Please don't bother
Do you have any low fps on heaven, hinterlands, redcliffe, any camp, any city? I have a almost better specs: i7-4770, G1.Sniper b5, gtx 660 OC, 8ram, all set to high, but tesselation low, anti-alasing low, and I have low fps on this areas, any closed or less dense areas are totally fine 60fps like a champ. Even at medium I only get 40fps average.
True. My specs pass the mimimum specs and I whenever I'm in some town,village,orlais, skyhold ...my fps suddenly reaches 18 fps... my graphics are set to auto which is a mixture of high and med. I also tried setting it on medium but no progress...totally ruins the immersion for me
But I can play Far cry 4 in med settings w/ no lag or crashes. and i was able to finish it on patch 1.3 , now w/ patch 1.4 i have no problems anymore.
I did not pass the minimum specs of the game. w/ fps not dipping below 25 even on fire fights
*Far cry 4 has more ommmp in terms of graphics than DAI not to say DAI graphics is bad. but I think it certainly needs optimization...
And the way Ubisoft address the issues of the game is good, they made update live blogs almost a week to let the gamers know any news. 
You wouldn't mind if I just echo that in massive bold letters:
Such a masterpiece of a game, killed by awkward gameplay and controls.
A masterpiece of a game, excellent, fantastic, amazing (not being sarcastic here, I'd rate it 9/10), BUT I stopped playing due to tedious and lackluster PC controls (and some other issues, the links above provided by Eckister has all these issues mentioned).
True. My specs pass the mimimum specs and I whenever I'm in some town,village,orlais, skyhold ...my fps suddenly reaches 18 fps... my graphics are set to auto which is a mixture of high and med. I also tried setting it on medium but no progress...totally ruins the immersion for me
I've got a GTX 970, the benchmark tells me I should have an average of 55 fps with a 'minimum' 45 fps, and yet this game stutters like crazy quite often. And even when it doesn't, it never feels really smooth, it feels like there is always some minor stuttering present.
Allan Schumacher - Will BioWare change numbers of skills for characters in incoming patch? Its only 8 per person ;/ In DA: Origins we had plenty of it.
Did you try turning down your settings? This is a very demanding game. Expecting ultra for your rig may be a bit high.
I have a similar tiered 2GB GPU as well, and once I turned off MSSA and turned graphics everything to high (except mesh - kept at ultra for the hair quality) it made all the difference.
Still have AO at highest. Game still looks gorgeous. I'm 15 hours in with just the occasional freeze on longer cutscenes or the wartable (oddly).
It happens even at the lowest possible graphical settings, and it happens in every area of the game, even menus, even when I reload saves from before it started happening.
Before this, the game ran perfectly at the highest settings. It's definitely a memory issue.
Still no further details regarding the patch...
Still no further details regarding the patch...
Yeah, and I hear that Ubi is making another (4 or more already in 3 weeks..) patch for Unity and FC4
Yeah, and I hear that Ubi is making another (4 or more already in 3 weeks..) patch for Unity and FC4
That's because - after three weeks of patching - the issues persist.
"Overall, while Ubisoft appears to be making progress in squashing the bugs, it's clear that there's still a long way to go in getting Assassin's Creed Unity anywhere near to the consistent 30fps frame-rate seen in last year's Black Flag. Performance remains disappointing overall and requires a substantial improvement."
http://www.eurogamer...-patch-analysed
Guys i know that something you dont realy wanna see here
but reading and asking friends about FC4
it seems you only need around 40-50hours to get around 94% of the game
for me its too low and dont worth my money...
so i decided to take the damm risk that eating me for the last days...i bought DA : I
i hope i wont get any issues like CTD , etc..
about controls...well i never played DA game in my life so im gonna give it a shot
and my main hope is that they gonna announce about a patch soon so even if i will have problems they will be fixed soon...
if any of you want my Origin ID is:MightyNir
would be gr8 to have some friends ,im brand new in the origin 
Fact is that from a pure graphics perspective, there is almost no difference anymore between the PC and the PS4 with this game.
So it comes down to the control mechanism of mouse and keyboard. And the modability (which isn't there).
Consoles can now produce a graphic experience that matches the PC.
There is no vast difference between them anymore.
I don't want to play games made for a 7870 for the 5 years to come ! Fortunately some devs are not focused on consoles only.
Yeah, and I hear that Ubi is making another (4 or more already in 3 weeks..) patch for Unity and FC4
I'd rather have Bioware take the time needed for a good patch, than to waste time throwing out a bunch of minor ones that might/might not work.
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