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[Selzisv]

I said its 100% functional I did not say it is 100% flawless that is an unsubtle difference. I do not claim the game is perfect of not in need of improvement. I simply refute the claims PC gamers were lied to. They were not. That EA engaged in business malpractise, they did not.

 

Sorry but every AAA game I have ever played has AWKWARD controls for movement. The default keybinds of WASD for PC are antiquated and awkward. But a simple bit of rebinding wasd and POOF they are now responsive and effective. So yeah AAA game do have awkward keybinds all the time.

 

The majority of the awkwardness in the tac cam is (from my experience) that the default keybinds are counter intuitive.

 

w = move camera forward

A = turn the camera right

s  = move the camera back

d = turn the camera left

 

mouse = turn the camera left, right, tilt the axis along the vertical axis from looking straight down to looking almost parallel to the grown.

 

This default setting for the tac cam puts 1/2 the camera orientation controls on the keyboard and 1/2 on the mouse. Yet by rebinding two keys a & d you get a much less awkward and more responsive tac cam. Thats hardly a"wrok around" thats a simple bloody rebinding of the keys.

 

AND if YOU MUST ONLY USE THE MOUSE IN THE TAC CAM THEN PRESS THE FRAKING SHIFT KEY AND MOVE THE MOUSE which moves the

 

 

 

PLEASE tell me all you people QQ over the tac Cam controls know that if you press the FRAKING shift key it allows you 100% full mouse panning of the camera center cursor? It CLEARLY stated this in the keybinds.

 

DID NONE of you actually bother to LOOK in the keybinds to see the tac cam controls?

 

maybe now you see why SOME of us think all these claims against ea/Bioware on false advertising are unjustified.

 

Man, I'm not saying that you are not right, but I can record the damn circle, I'm not crazy, for real.

[Gothfather]

 

 

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Regardless of my previous point, you shouldn't have to adjust the tac cam to play better on PC if the game was built "for" a PC.  The mere fact that you had to re-bind your keys to W, A, S, D shows quite clearly that PC wasn't given a whole lot of thought.  They set up DA:I's default control scheme on M&KB to that of an MMO. The Q and E keys move left and right and the A, and D keys turn the camera.  The reason?  Console stick controls work the same way.

 

That's all fine and good on console with two sticks, but port those controls over and you need to re-bind everything to proper drive-cam controls.  They hadn't even done that.  Add, on top of things, an improper bind set to the tac cam and you've got one funky set of controls.

 

The good part about PC is that you can re-bind your keys to suit your needs.  I guess that was their fall-back as far as testing is concerned.  Make sure its functional and then let the player sort out it's goofy scheme.  Just a bad move by EA/Bioware.  As if they needed more reasons for people to complain.

 

 

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so rebindding the tac cam keys is a flawed design?

 

I am beginning to think people have been too LAZY to learn the tac cam and because they didn't get it to work first go round it must mean it sucks.

 

If you don't like the key controls of the tac cam then just use the mouse. Press shift  or the MIDDLE MOUSE BUTTON!! and move the camera anywhere on the map with the MOUSE. let go of shift or the MIDDLE MOUSE BUTTON!!! and orientate the camera in the direction you want with the MOUSE.

 

I just  ASSUMED People knew HOW to use the tac cam and didn't like the mouse and wanted to use the keyboard controls but they were awkward. So I said you can get the keybaord controls to work really well if you rebind them. Now i begin to think people just don't KNOW HOW to use the tac cam with the mouse.

[Cyberpunk]

More than a week in...waiting on the patch....hurry up Bioware! 

[Han Master]

Using the shift key as well or the middle mouse button to move the camera instead of the edge of the screen is too annoying and speaks of console port.

[Giant ambush beetle]

I'm counting every single day till the patch arrives, I've started the game but the bugs are drastically reducing my fun so I refuse to play it further to not ruin my first play through. 

 

Fixes I'd highly appreciate: 

 

1. Walk button 

2. Fix the music bug, my game is very silent

3. Tactical camera movements

4. Mouse controls, having to hold down the mouse button is annoying and makes very little sense. 

 

Even though these are all very minor fixes they'd make a huge difference, so please hurry up Bioware, those bugs aside the game is one of your best and I really want to play it. 

[Eonetic]

so rebindding the tac cam keys is a flawed design?

 

I am beginning to think people have been too LAZY to learn the tac cam and because they didn't get it to work first go round it must mean it sucks.

 

If you don't like the key controls of the tac cam then just use the mouse. Press shift  or the MIDDLE MOUSE BUTTON!! and move the camera anywhere on the map with the MOUSE. let go of shift or the MIDDLE MOUSE BUTTON!!! and orientate the camera in the direction you want with the MOUSE.

 

I just  ASSUMED People knew HOW to use the tac cam and didn't like the mouse and wanted to use the keyboard controls but they were awkward. So I said you can get the keybaord controls to work really well if you rebind them. Now i begin to think people just don't KNOW HOW to use the tac cam with the mouse.

 

No the tac cam is just consolized ******** like the rest of the game.

 

 

The pc port is dreadful and we shouldnt accept this kind of stuff.

[Bethgael]

What I do like:

 

1) Ragdoll physics when enemies die. I really like it!! even when it is a small detail it adds interaction with the scenario.

It would have been even better if the knock back abilities would send the enemies flying back using physics too, instead of a scripted animation. The devs could have used more physics, there was so much potential to innovate there.

 

Oh, yes. Yes. Watching Cassandra hit someone only to have him fly backwards as he dies? That girl is badarse! And then having her hit someone and Blackwall get him from the other side--smack--bang! NOIYCE!

There is so, so much to love about this game.

Cullen did not disappoint. Oh, I said that out loud. *cough*

With UI/KB & M fixes, and the loading/crashing stuff fixed, it'd deserve GOTY.

[Melchizedek]

At this point, I have lost most of my hope in waiting for a patch or even proper communication between devs and consumers from Bioware. Now hoping that the modders will come to the rescue. 

 

Just today someone from the Solas thread found where they put the character meshes and were having a lot of fun tweaking the models and running them through poser softwares. And they say the Frostbite can't be modded! God bless the fangirls. I'm expecting them to find and unpack the UI and deeper game systems any day now.  

[Vash654]

I said its 100% functional I did not say it is 100% flawless that is an unsubtle difference. I do not claim the game is perfect of not in need of improvement. I simply refute the claims PC gamers were lied to. They were not. That EA engaged in business malpractise, they did not.

 

Sorry but every AAA game I have ever played has AWKWARD controls for movement. The default keybinds of WASD for PC are antiquated and awkward. But a simple bit of rebinding wasd and POOF they are now responsive and effective. So yeah AAA game do have awkward keybinds all the time.

 

The majority of the awkwardness in the tac cam is (from my experience) that the default keybinds are counter intuitive.

 

w = move camera forward

A = turn the camera right

s  = move the camera back

d = turn the camera left

 

mouse = turn the camera left, right, tilt the axis along the vertical axis from looking straight down to looking almost parallel to the grown.

 

This default setting for the tac cam puts 1/2 the camera orientation controls on the keyboard and 1/2 on the mouse. Yet by rebinding two keys a & d you get a much less awkward and more responsive tac cam. Thats hardly a"wrok around" thats a simple bloody rebinding of the keys.

 

AND if YOU MUST ONLY USE THE MOUSE IN THE TAC CAM THEN PRESS THE FRAKING SHIFT KEY OR THE MIDDLE MOUSE BUTTON AND MOVE THE MOUSE which moves the camera

 

 

 

PLEASE tell me all you people QQ over the tac Cam controls know that if you press the FRAKING shift key it allows you 100% full mouse panning of the camera center cursor? It CLEARLY stated this in the keybinds.

 

DID NONE of you actually bother to LOOK in the keybinds to see the tac cam controls?

 

maybe now you see why SOME of us think all these claims against ea/Bioware on false advertising are unjustified.

Ok this is the last post i feed to the troll, your posts are just so amusing i had to do 1 more haha.

 

You do realize that your experiences are not the same as everyone elses.  I myself actually find at least 90% of the AAA pc games i play to not have awkward controls.  And i do very much like WASD in most games.  In certain situations it just does not work for me in this game.

 

You are trying to force other experiences on other people it seems like, when it just does not work for some people.

 

Quote from Allan Schumacher in this thread - "I'm saying why I didn't have the frustration many have, and have been trying (and apparently failing) that simply because I can work with the PC controls without issue doesn't mean that we shouldn't listen to those that are having issues."

 

which is why we are giving them feedback on what makes our experience not so great : )  now go have fun with your A+ experience

[Gothfather]

Using the shift key as well or the middle mouse button to move the camera instead of the edge of the screen is too annoying and speaks of console port.

LOL right becaue pressing a mouse button is SOOOOOO annoying. I'd love to know how a mouse button speaks of a consol port. I'm sure you can expalin that.

[Han Master]

LOL right becaue pressing a mouse button is SOOOOOO annoying. I'd love to know how a mouse button speaks of a consol port. I'm sure you can expalin that.

What are you a console user ?

[vetirokay]

so rebindding the tac cam keys is a flawed design?

 

I am beginning to think people have been too LAZY to learn the tac cam and because they didn't get it to work first go round it must mean it sucks.

 

If you don't like the key controls of the tac cam then just use the mouse. Press shift  or the MIDDLE MOUSE BUTTON!! and move the camera anywhere on the map with the MOUSE. let go of shift or the MIDDLE MOUSE BUTTON!!! and orientate the camera in the direction you want with the MOUSE.

 

I just  ASSUMED People knew HOW to use the tac cam and didn't like the mouse and wanted to use the keyboard controls but they were awkward. So I said you can get the keybaord controls to work really well if you rebind them. Now i begin to think people just don't KNOW HOW to use the tac cam with the mouse.

 

 

I've seen some people post that you can't pan with the mouse, and that is false. lmb+rmb or shift works.

 

However, what you and I have re-bound, wasd for pan, is such a basic default scheme for PC that it bolsters the claims that the developers had pc controls as a side thought, and did what the poster who you quoted stated. I'm not sure how you can argue that. Couple that with the lack of independent zoom and tilt camera control in tactical mode and there isn't much left to say regarding the relatively useless tac cam for PC. Except under very specific circumstances.

 

I've been enjoying the game to a degree for the story interactions, but in the back of my mind it very much fails as a party based RPG in the vein of its namesake. Regardless of how you convince yourself that a particular rebind will help things. But that's just me because it goes way beyond rebinds. It speaks to the goal of the game itself which seems very far from a party based game with tactical controls. 

 

Things like zoom level, independent tilt and indoor breakaway ceilings would turn the game around EDIT: and could be considered PC controls, you know, things included for PC players by PC players.. But apparently that wasn't a priority or an important enough consideration. Probably because as a third person, non party, hack n slash action game that needed frostbite it gets by. With just enough DAO thrown in to validate the franchise if you try hard enough to convince yourself.

[BammBamm]

What are you a console user ?

 

yeah he did rebind his controler keys as mentioned earlier

[Han Master]

yeah he had rebind his controler keys as mentioned earlier

Why do we need to press a button or a key just to move the camera while it's always the edge of the screen in most PC games as well as the last 2 games. Only non PC DA players have no idea we don't press a button just to move the camera around.

[abearzi]

Why do we need to press a button or a key just to move the camera while it's always the edge of the screen in most PC games as well as the last 2 games. Only non PC DA players have no idea we don't press a button just to move the camera around.

This. There is a reason every MOBA, every RTS, and actual tactical RPGs like XCOM use the screen edge to pan with the mouse. Its better. Objectively. If it had an option for people to move it around with WASD, then hey, cheers. 

[Gothfather]

Ok this is the last post i feed to the troll, your posts are just so amusing i had to do 1 more haha.

 

You do realize that your experiences are not the same as everyone elses.  I myself actually find at least 90% of the AAA pc games i play to not have awkward controls.  And i do very much like WASD in most games.  In certain situations it just does not work for me in this game.

 

You are trying to force other experiences on other people it seems like, when it just does not work for some people.

 

Quote from Allan Schumacher in this thread - "I'm saying why I didn't have the frustration many have, and have been trying (and apparently failing) that simply because I can work with the PC controls without issue doesn't mean that we shouldn't listen to those that are having issues."

 

which is why we are giving them feedback on what makes our experience not so great : )  now go have fun with your A+ experience

If I was a troll i wouldn't have more like than i have made posts.

 

I have no problem with people saying I want X because I like X.

 

I have a problem with people claiming they were lied to, that EA/Bioware has engaged in business malpractise with DA:I or the mutliple claims that this design feature is a direct result of this being a console port when many of these very features were FIRST used in PC only games and hense they were never designed originally because of console support so you really can't claim they are here because of a bad console port.

 

I directed my first post today to SOME PC gamers who made some false claims. I did not make a claim that all post were without merit. I clearly stated that there are issues but I also clearly stated that some of the CLAIMS are at best ignorance or at worse outright lies designed to present a stronger case than one really has.

 

You as a PC gamer have NOT been lied to. Any expectations you had that were not met, you are responsible for if you were not lied to. Consumers making assumptions based on what they are told are also their responsibility and NOT Bioware's. You should not assume anything when buying a product. EA has a GENEROUS return policy so any customer that bought this product and didn't like it COULD have return the product for 100% of their money back. This protects any consumer that bought the product thinking it was x but actually got y. 

 

If you don't like X then go ahead and say I don't like X but don't expect other people to stay silent if you claim of why you don't like X is filled with falsehoods.

 

I get why some gamers don't like some things, I don't get why some gamers are claiming they were lied to or that everything bad about DA:I Pc is because its a bad console port especially when they actually gives specifics it turns out they are simply wrong. Like search, like you can't use the mouse to move the tac cam, that the 8 ability limitation is a console issue. 

 

So go ahead say you want X, shout loud that y sucks and I will say nothing. Claim you were lied to or that anything you don't like is because of a console with no supporting evidence then yeah I am going to speak out.

[Gothfather]

What are you a console user ?

Sorry to disapoint I have never owned a console. Which is why I know pressing a mouse button is just sooooooo hard.

[Han Master]

Sorry to disapoint I have never owned a console. Which is why I know pressing a mouse button is just sooooooo hard.

You claim you are a PC gamer and yet you defend the poor PC controls for DAI, this is suspicious.

[Payload]

LOL right becaue pressing a mouse button is SOOOOOO annoying. I'd love to know how a mouse button speaks of a consol port. I'm sure you can expalin that.

I understand what you are saying, but I think the biggest problem with the Tac-Cam is not pressing the middle button but the zoom which makes navigating difficult. As far as AAA games go. Origins IMO is a AAA game and IMO plays awesom with KB&M.

[Gothfather]

This. There is a reason every MOBA, every RTS, and actual tactical RPGs like XCOM use the screen edge to pan with the mouse. Its better. Objectively. If it had an option for people to move it around with WASD, then hey, cheers. 

WASD in the tac cam is 100% OPTIONAL if you don't want to ever use wasd for the tack cam then don't you have two mouse contrl options available.

 

1) press the middle mouse button

 

2) Press LMB+RMB together

 

and like magic you can move the tac cam around with just the mouse.

[adr750227]

PLEASE tell me all you people QQ over the tac Cam controls know that if you press the FRAKING shift key it allows you 100% full mouse panning of the camera center cursor? It CLEARLY stated this in the keybinds.
 
DID NONE of you actually bother to LOOK in the keybinds to see the tac cam controls?
 
maybe now you see why SOME of us think all these claims against ea/Bioware on false advertising are unjustified.

 

hmmm...if you played DAO, you should know that moving the mouse ALONE over the edges will move the tac-cam around....is the new way to move the tac-cam better than just moving the mouse around???

 

you know, NO ONE should ever make fun of people with disabilities, but in this very specific case, I do have to make fun of yours......you have THREE hands!!!!!

[Gothfather]

I understand what you are saying, but I think the biggest problem with the Tac-Cam is not pressing the middle button but the zoom which makes navigating difficult. As far as AAA games go. Origins IMO is a AAA game and IMO plays awesom with KB&M.

If the middle mouse button is causing problems then use LMB+RMB.

 

I know with some software my naga's middle mouse button still only registers as a scroll wheel but its is both. Press it down and its a button, push wheel and its a scroll wheel. SO Bioware gave us a SECOND mouse control option push both the right and left mouse buttons together and poof you can use only the mouse to pan around in tac cam.

[Han Master]

hmmm...if you played DAO, you should know that moving the mouse ALONE over the edges will move the tac-cam around....is the new way to move the tac-cam better than just moving the mouse around???

you know, NO ONE should ever make fun of people with disabilities, but in this very specific case, I do have to make fun of yours......you have THREE hands!!!!!

Doesn't look like he ever plays the PC version of the DAO. If this is the case most likely he is out of touch with the TAC Cam issue which is suppose to follow the TAC cam of DAO.

[Africanlivedit]

Bah ... still nothing? I keep coming back hoping for an update on the patch.