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[sinosleep]

Honestly the control system isn't that bad. So they went with a little less Real time strategy and a little more First Person Shooter. I don't recall exactly which games I've played with similar control systems (I've played a LOT of games over the years) but there have been a few. Took me all of 5 minutes to get used to the controls. Personally all this hate (game crashes/not working has been in a majority of cases due to sub-spec computers and control system seems just to be a lot of complaining because they didn't use the one you personally wanted) is unwarranted. When I first started playing computer games, there wasn't much in the way of custom keybinding. You got used to the controls set for each game and either enjoyed it or didn't. 'gamers' these days are a bit spoiled. Sure the games' not perfect but it's still pretty freaking good.

 

And once upon a time women and minorities couldn't vote, but it'd be really stupid to go ahead and take that away because well, we lived without it before right?

 

That something that is available in abundance now at one point wasn't has no bearing whatsoever in this conversation. There are things that have been accepted as STANDARD in pc gaming. Rebinding keys, including mouse keys, is one of those things. How that got past day 1 QA is beyond me.

[Razael]

Wouldn't hurt to do some fact checking.

 

http://www.forbes.co...pc-already-won/

http://www.forbes.co...-keep-fighting/

http://www.maximumpc...r_consoles_2014

http://arstechnica.c...console-gaming/

 

Yup, and seeing myself on another dissapointing morning where there is absolutely no news from bioware makes me happy. They are bound to see a very good decline in early sales (yes, the ones that decide the flow of stock prices) on their next big release.

 

It happened to Blizzard, look at the sales of the latest diablo 3 expansion after the infamous introduction of the real money auction house. Consumers can only be biten by the same dog so many times.

 

Anyway, I'm not happy because it's happening to Bioware, hell, I wish I could still keep loving this company; however, other companies are bound to take their place(s). Yesterday I was playing divinity: original sin for the first and... oh my... such beautiful interface/UI. I found myself sighing in relief on the thought of myself enjoying this great PC game without wanting to stab my eyeballs from a clunky and slapped-on interface. Cheers for the developers that are stepping up.

[MrnDvlDg161]

**** As The Crashing Game Turns ****

Dev 1 - " All in favor of finally getting these folks some form of info?"

Dev 2 - " I vote no --- I'm still tired and worn out from the Beta and Gamma phase of DA:I. I have only gone through 2 bags of Cheetos vs 3 bags and we haven't even started to let out underlings spread bad rumors and speculation"

Dev 3 " Well I got off my Skye chat with our buddies from UBI Soft Montreal and you know who from Lionhead Games..."

Dev 2 - " What did they have to say?"

Dev 3 - " Well they told us the best thing to do is to avert the whole situation by denying there is a problem at the next PAX, then offer a overly expensive DLC....like a sword and shield pack or maybe some new character outfits...you know....the rigormarole..."

Dev 1 " We could claim in the scuttlebutt at the Forums, a secret DLC promicng more banter and possibly something sexy... Like a 2 Piece Erotic set for all characters or... Hidden naughty Easter eggs to include ME characters..."

Dev 2 - " Dude...you need to go out more...and don't touch my Cheetos...or anything else..."

Dev 3 - My friend at EA HQ said to completely lie to everyone, charge more, and hope there are more sheeple than people.

Dev - 1 - Brutal. I love those guys!

Intern 1 - " Wait a minute guys. We are representatives of a long line of great titles like DA Origin and Mass Effect! The ansestors of Bauldurs Gate 1 and 2! Knights of the Old Republic! We should put our resources into a quick patch for the major stuff then do a 2nd for the more less than game breaking issues. We may even want to throw in a freebee....like a one time special delivery of quality craft materials in-game for all the time lost through crashes and fixes"

Dev 3 - Huh?! Dude this is AAA leauge here not some indie enterprise fooling with low grade tech and shoddy Linux.... Get out. Turn in your badge at security.

Dev 2 - Yeah! Get out --- you aren't cut out for Q/A PC Dept!

Dev 1 - " The nerve of that no nothing guy....so...what are we going to do?

Dev - 3 " What HQ said! Nothing! --- just tease with pricey DLC and let our fan zombies do the hard lifting for us....sides... They may even troll well enough to where instead of solidarity and being united, they'll end up bickering about whether Cassandra should have had a 3 inch scar or a 9 inch scar, and how well that scar looks on one's Geforece 3 Trillon vs another's Raedon Centlion"

Dev - 1 " Cheetoes anyone?"

All Devs - " Cheetooooooessss!"

[Glaso]

And once upon a time women and minorities couldn't vote, but it'd be really stupid to go ahead and take that away because well, we lived without them before right?

 

That something that is available in abundance now at one point wasn't has no bearing whatsoever in this conversation. There are things that have been accepted as STANDARD in pc gaming. Rebinding keys, including mouse keys, is one of those things. How that got past day 1 QA is beyond me.

Also what's the first reflex a PC gamer has when he wants to spin his char in the inventory menu? Grab him/her with the mouse or use AD (or whatever stupid keybinds there are in DAI) on the keyboard?

[Cornughon]

for pc players it is broken. I have a few friends who stopped playing.

It's not broken for me, I'm exclusively a PC gamer, and don't even have a gamepad.

I agree that the (keyboard+mouse) controls can do with some (or a lot of) 'adjustments', and that I really would like to see a click+attack option like in the previous games, but to say it's broken, NO. And it doesn't stop me from playing. With mouse & keyboard. I can handle it, I played the first Dark Souls with just m+kb, I played Ass Creed with m+kb, and I can play this.

[CaptainBlackGold]

I am not waiting for a patch. I am waiting to hear whether there is going to BE a patch to fix the controls.

 

Over the past few years, I have noticed, what I consider a disturbing trend when it game to Bioware games; a "like it or lump it" mentality. It is kind of "we are the expert, this is what we delivered, therefore if you don't like it you are an entitled, whiny, PC elitist and we won't do anything different."

 

This game is unplayable for me with the present control scheme. Some seem to have adjusted and more power to them. But it just does not work for me. I want them to fix the controls - since they made design decisions that makes modding difficult, if not impossible, I cannot even turn to some helpful modder. I am stuck with what they delivered. And their silence about a patch, and what said patch may or may not contain, is ominous.It's almost like them saying, "That's the control scheme we created; like it or lump it."

 

I am not even confident that the engine itself will allow a mouse point and click interface. Again, they made a design decision about what engine to use. Sure, it looks pretty but it was designed for a FPS, not an RPG. I do not buy Bioware games for shooters; in fact, I don't even play them anymore.

 

If they don't patch the controls, I will never buy another Bioware game again. I will also do my best to encourage other people to support companies that are more in touch with their consumers.

 

This was the last straw for me. I want to play this game; heck I want to love this game and praise Bioware's creativity, vision and talent. Instead I come here, looking for news about a patch so I can get past the first boss battle. I just want to know whether they are going to fix it, or not. If not, then I can close out my account, and move on. And never, ever spend another cent on anything from them.

 

Sad really; I used to really love their games...

[glosoli]

It's not broken for me, I'm exclusively a PC gamer, and don't even have a gamepad.

I agree that the (keyboard+mouse) controls can do with some (or a lot of) 'adjustments', and that I really would like to see a click+attack option like in the previous games, but to say it's broken, NO. And it doesn't stop me from playing. With mouse & keyboard. I can handle it, I played the first Dark Souls with just m+kb, I played Ass Creed with m+kb, and I can play this.

 

Not allowing to map the extra mouse keys. That's enough for it to be called broken. You have two hands and ten fingers mate but not everyone in the world is as lucky as you or me. 

[Razael]

Over the past few years, I have noticed, what I consider a disturbing trend when it game to Bioware games; a "like it or lump it" mentality. It is kind of "we are the expert, this is what we delivered, therefore if you don't like it you are an entitled, whiny, PC elitist and we won't do anything different."

 

This is exactly what me and a lot of my friends felt with the original ending of ME3 and how bioware responded initially.

[Brogan]

Already tried that one, and i've been very polite so you can't say i've offended someone, but no answers so far.

Have you asked, "So, will I be able to map 'jump' to my 4th or 5th mouse button after the patch?"

If not, I'd be very interested to see if they respond to that.

[MIskonius]

Not allowing to map the extra mouse keys. That's enough for it to be called broken. You have two hands and ten fingers mate but not everyone in the world is as lucky as you or me. 

 

 

Although I enjoy bashing Bioware for bad UI, TacCam controls etc, isnt binding mouse keys something very easy to solve?

Just rebind the keys on your keyboard that you dont use to your mouse keys and then just bind them with the controls in game?

Cant be that hard...

[glosoli]

Although I enjoy bashing Bioware for bad UI, TacCam controls etc, isnt binding mouse keys something very easy to solve?

Just rebind the keys on your keyboard that you dont use to your mouse keys and then just bind them with the controls in game?

Cant be that hard...

 

Imagine that you are doing it and you only have one hand. people insist on using mouse buttons to move and "use" commands for a reason.

[Captain Wiseass]

And once upon a time women and minorities couldn't vote, but it'd be really stupid to go ahead and take that away because well, we lived without it before right?

Seriously?

[Brogan]

It's not out of spite, c'mon.
 
I would venture that there are plenty of PC gamers, but no *advocates* for the PC gamers.  That is, plenty of folks who just "got used to it" and no one who stopped and put a foot down.  New engine probably played a role in that.
 
But spite?  They're not sitting around rubbing hands together and cackling at angry PC gamers.

I said 1 of 2 things.

I did what Bioware could not, I gave you a choice.

[sinosleep]

Although I enjoy bashing Bioware for bad UI, TacCam controls etc, isnt binding mouse keys something very easy to solve?

Just rebind the keys on your keyboard that you dont use to your mouse keys and then just bind them with the controls in game?

Cant be that hard...

There being a workaround doesn't mean it's not monumentally stupid that it wasn't included in the first place. I mentioned doing just that in my first post complaining about mouse key rebinding, and even offered up the C and shift keys as decent ability key replacements since you can press either one without removing any fingers from wasd as they're both pinky or thumb reachable, still dumb that it has to be done though.

[sinosleep]

Seriously?

Knew this was coming lol. It's an EXAMPLE not a direct comparison, there's a world of difference between the two. The object is to use the most absurd example possible in order to point to how absurd the idea behind the post you're replying to is. But if you want to choose to ignore that and somehow think that I'm dumb enough as to actually believe they're of the same importance here's another one, anti lock breaks weren't a thing once upon a time, they've been the standard for years now. It would be dumb to release a car without anti-lock breaks these days just because once upon a time they weren't prevalent.

[Ashkalel]

And once upon a time women and minorities couldn't vote, but it'd be really stupid to go ahead and take that away because well, we lived without it before right?

 

That something that is available in abundance now at one point wasn't has no bearing whatsoever in this conversation. There are things that have been accepted as STANDARD in pc gaming. Rebinding keys, including mouse keys, is one of those things. How that got past day 1 QA is beyond me.

Thats because the marketing guys are a more powerful group than the QA guys. Believe me, I know that situation very well. Someones bonus depends on sales amount in 2014. And that guy has the bigger desk.

I started playing DAI for the 5th time now and I finally gave up. The controls drive me crazy. Crashes and enemy spawns directly next to my party after reloading gave me the finishers.

[Brogan]

Also a possibility, and management probably decided to go the route of "meh, why bother optimising PC controls when we have four other platforms to worry about", which is understandable and personally I would find that acceptable as long as there wasn't a whole marketing campaign conning the entire PC community.

Yes, I would also have no problem with that, if it were some generic non-franchise related RPG.

But not with this game. They didn't even need to make the "For PC gamers" video, because that was absolutly already an expectation with the third title of a highly successful franchise that started on PC, FOR pc gamers.

[SpecH82]

It's not broken for me, I'm exclusively a PC gamer, and don't even have a gamepad.

I agree that the (keyboard+mouse) controls can do with some (or a lot of) 'adjustments', and that I really would like to see a click+attack option like in the previous games, but to say it's broken, NO. And it doesn't stop me from playing. With mouse & keyboard. I can handle it, I played the first Dark Souls with just m+kb, I played Ass Creed with m+kb, and I can play this.

did it work for you to change the cable?

i finished my first playtrough today!

[Captain Wiseass]

Knew this was coming lol. It's an EXAMPLE not a direct comparison, there's a world of difference between the two. The object is to use the most absurd example possible in order to point to how absurd the idea behind the post you're replying to is. But if you want to choose to ignore that and somehow think that I'm dumb enough as to actually believe they're of the same importance here's another one, anti lock breaks weren't a thing once upon a time, they've been the standard for years now. It would be dumb to release a car without anti-lock breaks these days just because once upon a time they weren't prevalent.

 

It would be stupid to make a car without anti-lock brakes because they're a safety feature that saves lives. Your complaint is more analogous to leaving the "scan" button off the radio: An odd choice, but at worst an inconvenience.

 

And if you don't want people to call your rhetoric ridiculous, don't use ridiculous rhetoric.

[Widge]

It's not like they don't know how to develop a good PC interface, Origins was fantastic. They just haven't bothered this time, maybe it just wasn't ready in time or they couldn't be ar*** with the PC as it's too fiddlly, all that studying the battlefield and clicking on things, not to mention the drivers not working, just too much work, release it with the console interface and take the hit. The hit being I'm not going to pre-order a game based on reviews from main stream gaming sites again and Bioware can kiss my shiny metal ****. Not that they are likely to read the 4000 odd posts in reply.

 

Okay I see the point of some posters that it is playable without a select all party members, click to move(without entering tactical combat), a camera that only lets you look up at 45%, a camera that wildly changes altitude as you move about the battle field, a stupid cursor on the ground when you enter tactical mode (we have a mouse pointer already thank you) and not being able to drag the view by moving the mouse to the edge of the screen. It's not broken, just unfinished.

 

 

[sinosleep]

 

 

It would be stupid to make a car without anti-lock brakes because they're a safety feature that saves lives. Your complaint is more analogous to leaving the "scan" button off the radio: An odd choice, but at worst an inconvenience.

 

And if you don't want people to call your rhetoric ridiculous, don't use ridiculous rhetoric.

 

It's MEANT to be ridiculous. That flying over your head is a YOU problem.

[Alligator]

At this point I wouldn't be surprised if the patch is already finished and tested, but we're waiting for it's certification on the consoles. And of course they wouldn't want to give it to us first, even if it's mainly focused on PC specific issues (or at least I hope it is).

[Captain Wiseass]

It's MEANT to be ridiculous. That flying over your head is a YOU problem.

Oh, so you WANT people not to take you seriously? OK then, carry on.

[HozzMidnight]

So, nothing from Bioware here since November 26th?  What a ****** joke.

[Brogan]

We can theorize all day long about why the controls are so wonky.  I'd love to know if the wonky-invisible-character tac-cam reticule/AOE targeting thing is a limitation of the engine because DICE wasn't designed for anything but almost-FPS.  It sure would have saved a bout of "HOW BASIC IS THIS?!  ARGH!" angst to know they would have had to spend a hundred development hours rewriting a small piece of the engine.  The decision would make sense in that context.

 

These are not things I can ever expect to know.  I can either assume they are evil and spiteful hacks, or I can assume that there is a reason/necessity for some of the design choices.  The vast majority of problems across the board are because people instantly assume the worst.  They don't even bother with a neutral assumption, let alone a positive one.  We've all been trained that way = radio silence, because all communication will become negative.  It's just not worth the noise and explosion to make the more reasonable happy.

 

What exactly is the point of this post?

 

I'm just curious, I don't disagree with any of it.  It's just....