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[Pen-N-Paper]

I am perplexed why the forums have little dev input right now, but there are some things to consider.

 

1)  This may never have been intended to be a open thread--most news threads aren't.  But it would be a bit more controversial to close a large thread.

2)  Twitter and other Social Networks have an advantage--they get others to buy the game.  It's probably Bioware and/or EA wanting to maximize promotion and sales to go after the uncommitted folks.  Which is why more twitch and twitter, less forums.

3)  I suspect because of legal liabilities for the patches prevent them from committing any promise until it's done, which means they're probably not gonna talk until they have it ready.

4)  This thread has sort of delved off of the actual bugs and issues into things like questioning the design, UI, etc.  The former is easy to deal with, but if you are questioning the basic design choices of the gameplay and ui--that's not something that can be easilly fixed, so it doesn't make sense to address it directly.

 

 

I think #4 is fair game for a "PC game made by PC gamers" "kinda," sorta, or otherwise stated as fact. Don't you? Some people have stated the disabled should adapt to the UI design, in defense of these developers who have cried on this topic to be treated like human beings. They, like the kid mowing my lawn in the summer, worked hard. (Unlike the kid or anyone else in involved with the delivery of product, they moan what great artistes they are unlike the reality of making money in which the rest of us live in - including that 12 year old kid.) Then these posters get shown up for being kinda-like sociopathic, because they never thought about handicapped people being part of their crowd of gamers. I wonder what goes through the devs.' minds while they are self-congratulating each other right now? Do they believe their own publicity telling them how great they are, bought by Bioware PR/publicists? How sad that.

 

How out of touch, like Ray Muzyka's (Bioware founder) Twitter response or Darrah's Twitter header.

 

Well, people have been saying they are boycotting Bioware since DA2.  I suspect those who feel strongly enough are.  I guess too many people like the game and the general direction of Bioware and they are the majority.

 

Despite these problems, any problems with DA:I have a lot less reaction than either DA2 or ME3.  

 

Good.

I had a friend pre-order DA2 on my behalf. The person was happy to do so, and I was happy to include them. They wanted to make me happy. So I forwarded the money and they sent over the game. In the mean time I got to watch a little demonstration of this role-playing game via Youtube:

 

And this:

 

 

I went cold. You would understand my reaction if you enjoyed role-playing games. This happened from the beginning and I rapidly found the focus of my watching to be on the comments made by the Let's Play person.

 

 

And I sat awaiting a game that I knew I would never open. And I was not happy about my money supporting this sh!t - which is the technical term for it: sh!t..

 

But there was no catharsis. I did not fancy telling the other person their help led to this fiasco. I swallowed it. I appreciated their willingness to be helpful; and nice to me. I was not ungrateful and demand that they seek a refund on my behalf, which is what would have to have been done. That would have been a hassle for them. They might have done it but they really were not expecting a hassle when they offered to help me. So the buck stopped with me, as it should. But Bioware lied to me that time too. This game was not comparable to Dragon Age Origins.  

 

So this time, with my expectations so low only that only the inability to start the game I paid for could spoil it - they managed it. And then some.

 

But this time I got my refund. And this time I am being vocal. I do not like liars. I do not like people who enable liars. I do not like people who apologize for liars. I am too much of a hippy to accept it. Maybe the only one left?  I am glad when I read here others return their games. You know why?  It means I am not alone - which is exactly the opposite impression Bioware would like to give me through social manipulation. And I resent that, especially knowing how that works.

[Pen-N-Paper]

That's why I don't get why they are hiding! DA:I's launch isn't such a disaster like ME3.

 

Though from tweets the only conclusion I can think of is that they can't say more then what they have already said on this thread - because it's out of their hands now. And if it's out of their hands, it just means -> MS/Sony validation for the cross-platform patch, which we have to wait for.

 

That could be said.

It has not.

[Glaso]

Oh nothing much, just thousands upon thousands of enraged, sad, disappointed, angry fans, with public campaigns launched and huge media coverage. Nothing much at all, and Bioware also recieved a package of red, green and blue pies in the end - even though they all tasted the same

 

Was very nice

Oh the ending. I thought you were talking about launch problems.

[Jackal19851111]

Oh the ending. I thought you were talking about launch problems.

 

Well it was a launch problem It just wasn't technical lol

 

Honestly for me the game was 10/10 up until that point, the team did an amazing job in my opinion with ME3. But that's just my opinion.

[sinosleep]

I am perplexed why the forums have little dev input right now, but there are some things to consider.
 
1)  This may never have been intended to be a open thread--most news threads aren't.  But it would be a bit more controversial to close a large thread.
2)  Twitter and other Social Networks have an advantage--they get others to buy the game.  It's probably Bioware and/or EA wanting to maximize promotion and sales to go after the uncommitted folks.  Which is why more twitch and twitter, less forums.
3)  I suspect because of legal liabilities for the patches prevent them from committing any promise until it's done, which means they're probably not gonna talk until they have it ready.
4)  This thread has sort of delved off of the actual bugs and issues into things like questioning the design, UI, etc.  The former is easy to deal with, but if you are questioning the basic design choices of the gameplay and ui--that's not something that can be easilly fixed, so it doesn't make sense to address it directly.
 

Well, people have been saying they are boycotting Bioware since DA2.  I suspect those who feel strongly enough are.  I guess too many people like the game and the general direction of Bioware and they are the majority.
 
Despite these problems, any problems with DA:I have a lot less reaction than either DA2 or ME3.

Might want tot re-read the op, it specifically asks about mouse and keyboard, that would include discussions on the ui. It wasn't strictly meant for bugs.

[OceanBlu]

Funny thing that lords of the fallen game patch 1.4 was announced late last month just before steam sales due to poor performance, crashes every 5 - 10 minutes (crashes are inevitable) and that after TWO unsuccessful patches to fix the game and till this date there's no patch and no updates at all since patch 1.4 was announced.

[Glaso]

So let's reiterate:

 

• Driver support Kind of out of your hands i guess
• Hitching and frame rate issues in cutscenes Yeah, strange, how did that happen? Oh yes, you capped them for consoles and it causes problems on real hardware
• Feedback on keyboard and mouse controls They're sh!t, no other words for it, you did a crap job, just admit it already
• General user interface optimizations for PC More bullsheeeit here, By pc games for pc games huh? Fùcking LIES! No amount of optimisation would be able to fix the amount of console crap you pumped in there. Ahem, needs a TOTAL overhaul, fast.

 

Your feedback is important to us, and we appreciate your contribution to making Dragon Age: Inquisition a better overall experience.

 

 

[Pen-N-Paper]

Here is a semi-official response from the founder of Bioware and his minions whomever they are.

 

http://www.incgamers...sition-pc-claim

 

Good press @Adaram @RayMuzyka @bioware @dragonage Lots of personal computer customers upset

 

Any comment? @Adaram @RayMuzyka @bioware @dragonage What happened?

 

REPLIES:

 

@RayMuzyka:

I have no idea what you're talking about. 

 

@Adaram

Me either, but I am PC gamer and love the game: a lot!

 

Maric @PaganRites

That article is crap. Writer trolling for hits. 60+ hours in. DAInquisition PC delivers and more. [favoured - @Adaram]

 

@Adaram

I feel privileged to have been spammed in such good company [favored - @RayMuzyka & @r2d2am]

 

So this is what was on Twitter. 

[Pen-N-Paper]

HAMMER THIS!

 

 

So let's reiterate:

 

• Driver support Kind of out of your hands i guess
• Hitching and frame rate issues in cutscenes Yeah, strange, how did that happen? Oh yes, you capped them for consoles and it causes problems on real hardware
• Feedback on keyboard and mouse controls They're sh!t, no other words for it, you did a crap job, just admit it already
• General user interface optimizations for PC More bullsheeeit here, By pc games for pc games huh? Fùcking LIES! No amount of optimisation would be able to fix the amount of console crap you pumped in there. Ahem, needs a TOTAL overhaul, fast.

 

 

 

HAMMER THIS!

[Jackal19851111]

Where are those tweets exactly? Ray is retired

[Glaso]

https://twitter.com/...487607220158464

 

It's a bit old, i hope they've seen this thread by now (i can allways dream, right?)

[Jackal19851111]

So we have a retired founder who understandably may have no idea what folks are on about as he had no hand in DA:I, and he's surrounded by a couple of fanboys

 

Nothing damning about it in my opinion

[Glaso]

Well, if the patch is not out by monday, i propose we spam the sh!t out of them (namely @bioware and all the clique), politely. No more mister nice guy.

[Pen-N-Paper]

Where are those tweets exactly? Ray is retired

 

Retired but not forgotten within or without Bioware. He is shilling for Inquisition on PC. 

https://twitter.com/...327620265107456

 

Here are where those Tweets begin:

https://twitter.com/...460660047159297

 

 

Maybe there is a way to view as a picture?

[Jackal19851111]

Heh well, I've read consistent predictions about Tuesday, something about "the best time to release" or some such, based on the member posts here. That's my personal deadline before I decide to stop waiting, shelf the game, vent to my mates who are also waiting on a patch before they buy the game (I have to be the sucker who preordered it!) and play Planet Explorers again. My problem right now is that I'm still in a Dragon Age mood. *sigh*

[Jackal19851111]

Retired but not forgotten within or without Bioware. He is shilling for Inquisition on PC. 

https://twitter.com/...327620265107456

 

Here are where those Tweets begin:

https://twitter.com/...460660047159297

 

 

Maybe there is a way to view as a picture?

 

The way I see Ray is that he's just another fanboy now, but that's just me. Asking him for comment or information is useless, he's not on the DAI team.

 

Heh, Ray playing on XboxOne as I expected he would, and people still blame EA for Bioware's console favoritism lol

[Pen-N-Paper]

Well, if the patch is not out by monday, i propose we spam the sh!t out of them (namely @bioware and all the clique), politely. No more mister nice guy.

Just remember that to be perceived as an @sshole will have the opposite effect than the one you want.  Just my 2¢ for professional advise.

[Glaso]

Just remember that to be perceived as an @sshole will have the opposite effect than the one you want.  Just my 2¢ for professional advise.

 

I know, but enough is enough.

[Pen-N-Paper]

The way I see Ray is that he's just another fanboy now, but that's just me. Asking him for comment or information is useless, he's not on the DAI team.

 

Heh, Ray playing on XboxOne as I expected he would, and people still blame EA for Bioware's console favoritism lol

Ray may still be under contract as a consultant. That is the way many of these buy-outs happen.

 

It's not a real job. It is a nice way to amortise payout as salary expense and avoid tax on a lump sum payment. Also helps the Division on pretax income (but not so much really) . It's a business thing. So that is why he still has all the numbers and gets all the perks from Bioware top echelon, Otherwise, why be involved?  So I am stating it as fact. He's more than just "a private citizen" as far as Bioware are concerned.

 

Remember the instantaneous communication from Allan started after that Tweet. Remember that. It is important.

 

Apparently, according to the Bioware elite list, regards to the truth: we are doing it wrong.

Darrah's advertising the joy of this game on PS4 and the actual founder couldn't give a turd. Smells like a casacading top down culture of communications failure to me.

 

Someone with the skills should post Darrah's public Twitter background and RayMuzyka's public Twitter feed.

[Pen-N-Paper]

I know, but enough is enough.

That's what he said. And he was right.

But he didn't get the girl anyways.

[Glaso]

I'm not trying to fùck the girl, i want to fùck up her house, her car and kick the sh!it out of her dog (not the cat, i love cats). Politely.

[Jackal19851111]

Ray may still be under contract as a consultant. That is the way many of these buy-outs happen.

 

It's not a real job. It is a nice way to amortise payout as salary expense and avoid tax on a lump sum payment. Also helps the Division on pretax income (but not so much really) . It's a business thing. So that is why he still has all the numbers and gets all the perks from Bioware top echelon, Otherwise, why be involved?  So I am stating it as fact. He's more than just "a private citizen" as far as Bioware are concerned.

 

Remember the instantaneous communication from Allan started after that Tweet. Remember that. It is important.

 

Regardless of his connection to Bioware he is not entitled to offer any answers so he will not, I'm suggesting you focus on the DAI team themselves for "polite interrogation"

 

*sigh* How did we come to this? Fans being forced to chase after the devs on twitter for updates and answers, when these updates and answers should be on the forum and easy to find for anyone using google.

[Pen-N-Paper]

the stuff in () are mine....

--I'm afraid it would be a disservice to both the community and our developers if I were to provide incomplete information (i can't tell whats in the patch)

--I absolutely recognize the concerns of this community (this DOES NOT mean he agree with us)

--If that information was ready it'd be communicated. Unfortunately it's not. I've sat in on and contributed to discussions for the PC issues for upcoming patches (doubling down on the "i can't tell whats in the patch")

--As a PC gamer, the M&KB controls for DAI aren't a huge issue for me (right here, he is obviously saying there is NO problem with the game...its you)

--Walk toggle is something that has come up quite a bit, and from what I hear has the advantage of being a low cost change to boot. I know it's been discussed. (horrible hint!!! if it cost money to fix or change...i will let you finish this one....)

--My statement is not official policy, but rather that the PC controls as they stand do work for some people(doubling down on the game is perfect...the problem its you)

--IMO my preference for DAI is more fueled by the hours I put in playing with the controller by virtue of the platforms the game was released on. (interesting revelation...obviously again. not the best person to be talking about kb+mouse)

--It's perfectly reasonable to request it. I can pass it along as feedback for sure.I'm not certain of how "doable" but that's a function of opportunity cost a lot of the time. (this one was about farther zooming....you should know now this one ITS NOT COMING)

--There are definitely patches in the works. If there wasn't I probably would have opted to do something else this evening than taunt people with faux attention with no plans to actually make an effort to address issues. :\ (this one is for the eye of the beholder)

--Unfortunately I wouldn't expect the mod tools situation to change.(Yes people, drop the modding thing already)

--It's a fair criticism. M&KB Controls aren't good enough for you(didn't he just doubled down on "its your problem not the game's" already?)

--This is definitely a serious issue and is being investigated and is considered critical/high priority; it affects all platforms too I believe. (this is about a certain bug "flags non-Human PCs as being human" .....WOAH WAIT A MINUTE! didnt you just say discussing patch items could be bad because of the "incomplete information" and all that??? WTH!)

--In what ways is WASD not responsive enough? The inertia of starting moving? I'm not sure why would hold LMB+RMB alleviate this when at first glance it seems like it wouldn't be much different than holding LMB+RMB = holding W. (so, they came up with the faulty system of combat, where you have to spam a keyb key to attack and he cant see why moving with the mouse intead of 'W' makes any difference....)

and this is pretty much what we had from Allan with his discussions with Broga (his BFF or something) and some other people
No apologies...what for right? they havent done anything wrong; as things goes today, its only your fault if you fall for the lies(not that Bioware lied...oh no...)

Guys, have some backbone! THIS IS YOUR GAME! other than those driver issues and explicit issues with quests and stuff like that, THERE IS NO GOING TO BE ANY CHANGES WHATSOEVER....so, either play the game like it is or MOVE ON(dont forget about your reimburstment)....i know i already did

peace out...good luck

 

BUMP

[Glaso]

Sadly, polite interrogation results in a "Shush, it's classified, can't say why, also classified"  poof, smoke screen and the dev is gone.

 

http://www.reddit.co...tch_yet_thread/

[Pen-N-Paper]

Regardless of his connection to Bioware he is not entitled to offer any answers so he will not, I'm suggesting you focus on the DAI team themselves for "polite interrogation"

 

*sigh* How did we come to this? Fans being forced to chase after the devs on twitter for updates and answers, when these updates and answers should be on the forum and easy to find for anyone using google.

The one advantage Bioware has with complaints here is the walled garden of the forum.  It is not happening in open space like it does on Twitter or Facebook or on other forums like Steam or for other game developers - CDRedProjekt for example. Wowzers there are a lot of angry people not just here.

 

But here: threads can be

Locked.

Archived.

Ignored.

And posters with legitimate complaints banned.

 

Think of this place as the incinerator of PC gamer complaints. Bring your suggestion slips over and toss them into the fire.  Have a nice day.

 

Cannot do that in the public eye. And it might surprise Bioware to know there is a large PC gamer public on The Internet.

 

 

 

Also the focus on sales is during the first 10 weeks, We are entering week #4. Pre-orders have returned, undoubtably knocking down the "almost" level of first week sales of DA2 (to quote one statistic). I anticipate, based upon the rage all around the Net, actual sales to mirror DA2 results - declining week by week - rather than the valley seen in DA:Origins sales figures. 10 week sales were $3.76 Million for DA:O Considerably less for DA2.

 

DA3 has had a 3 year marketing campaign going - which will eat into profit with DA3 that did not happen with DA2 (which was coasting on the success of DA:O.  I do expect heads to roll. Sadly, those heads will get new jobs by waving their GotY award around and blame EA for their departure....  and start working for other RPG developers.