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[Brogan]

Daevelon: They probably are forbidden from responding...that's what happened with ME3. I'm not saying silence is the best tact to take right now, but what some are interpreting as "evil EA guy twirling his 'stach while counting money" I interpret as Bioware having nothing definitive to say on these matters at the moment. I am fairly confident there a great many people working overtime right now trying to figure this mess out. And no I cannot answer why it wasn't more thoroughly beta-tested. Hell I would have been happy to have assisted them in development...for nothing.

Very well stated dose of reality here...

[Jackal19851111]

Sorry, but the evidence speaks for itself, they are not forbidden from responding. It is their own choice not to respond.

[Brogan]

This is an answer from EA forum, from one of the forum staff (so it's NOT an official answer from EA)

"The main issue, as with most patches, is that EA can't just release a patch on consoles without Microsoft and Sony testing and certifying the patch. This can take a long time. For unknown reasons, EA released its PC patches in conjunction with the console patches, despite the PC versions not requiring certification."

I'd really like to know these "unkown reasons".

Nobody wants to hear it, and definitely nobody wants to talk about it for fear of reprisals, but it's fairly obvious, isn't it?

Unknown reasons -----> Marketing.

[Xaisis]

im realy starting to wonder if we have been sidelined, quite some time have gone by and still nothing new.

 

my hype for DA:i has kinda burned away and i have gone back to other things.

 

have seen other game companies doing quick recoveries after a bad release. something would have been out by now if Bioware/EA realy wanted it fixed.

 

 

 

 

it is good we are getting high quality games elsewhere, 

[eevee87]

i just want to be able to walk on pc.

 

everythign else seems to be fine. i had graphics card related crashes early on but i updated my drivers and it's fine now. not a single crash. everyone talks all the time. cutscenes work.

 

just can't walk.

[SnQQpy]

...............

The silent treatment however... nah, that's the one thing I find unacceptable.

 

And now seeing people with FAR worse problems - not being able to play at all, and given the silent treatment... How can I possibly recommend Bioware to my friends and family? How can I possibly purchase DA:I for them during xmas knowing they will go through the same silent treatment? For an old fan such as myself who supported Bioware since BG... it's heartbreaking really.

 

I make no apology for re-posting this;

 

Since we've had no response from BioWare save for we're working on it... the lack of concern and empathy towards a large community of gamers and lest we forget people who have paid hard earned cash for this game and supported BioWare from their conception. Sadly it makes me disgusted and nauseous. Being part of the game development industry I am saddened by the actions of a few who are badly letting down the reputation of this industry.

 

Its disrespectful by any standards and bordering on contemptuous! Shameful behaviour - the lack of detail and schedule on their own forums, there are no excuses that I would find acceptable and the community here deserves an unreserved apology!  

 

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I would add that there is no reasonable, acceptable explanation for ignoring this community - including any so called policy red-tape mask to hide behind.

 

If such a policy exists, the mass of voices and viewers here say  "it should be taken down and shredded, like any unworkable, obnoxious unwanted garbage" unacceptable in a modern society!

 

For anyone interested I posted my first comment on the front page of this thread. - you can find it here - NOW Updated;

http://forum.bioware...rns/?p=17810162

[Henryk]

I make no apology for re-posting this;

 

Since we've had no response from BioWare save for we're working on it... the lack of concern and empathy towards a large community of gamers and lest we forget people who have paid hard earned cash for this game and supported BioWare from their conception. Sadly it makes me disgusted and nauseous. Being part of the game development industry I am saddened by the actions of a few who are badly letting down the reputation of this industry.

 

Its disrespectful by any standards and bordering on contemptuous! Shameful behaviour - the lack of detail and schedule on their own forums, there are no excuses that I would find acceptable and the community here deserves an unreserved apology!  

 

[edit]

I would add that there is no reasonable, acceptable explanation for ignoring this community - including any so called policy red-tape mask to hide behind.

 

If such a policy exists, the mass of voices and viewers here say  "it should be taken down and shredded, like any unworkable, obnoxious unwanted garbage" unacceptable in a modern society!

 

For anyone interested I posted my first comment on the front page of this thread. - you can find it here - NOW Updated;

http://forum.bioware...rns/?p=17810162

 

 

Do you really think that somebody cares? LOL .... they dont give a **** about the situation - it will be released when some C "EA" O wants to release it ^^

[Brogan]

They might as well just removed the TAC cam when you are not using the controllers.

Seeing as the entire reason Tac cam was added to DAI was because of the consoles not having it in past games, this is clearly what they should have done.

Why does it have its own set of different camera controls? Why are there 2 cursors present?

Yea, it's obvious why it's on PC version.

[Brogan]

That's interesting because I have that exact same GPU (GTX 660 Ti) and have had zero problems with performance or display. I am running everything on high or ultra apart from "Tessellation Quality" and MSAA. I don't see any slowdowns and game loading is only ever a matter of seconds (but is installed on an SSD). Game play problems and bugs on the other hand, well ...
 
FWIW, the rest of my system is i5-3570 @3.40GHz and 16GB RAM, on 64 bit Windows 7 pro.

This is an example of less then satisfactory amount of time spent on PC QA testing.

[Gomly]

I got a refund on impulse when I ran into more issues than I care for on a new release from a company like this.

 

Managed to resolve the directx crashes but the constant freezing in cutscenes irritated me. Nothing I tried or that was advised fixed it so I got my money back. 

 

I thought i'd regret that. I thought they would have rolled patches out within a few days considering the amount of issues i've seen in various forums around the net. Needless to say I don't regret it. 

 

This is the kind of thing i'd expect from a half baked "indie" developer. It's a complete joke.

[Brogan]

i just want to be able to walk on pc.

everythign else seems to be fine. i had graphics card related crashes early on but i updated my drivers and it's fine now. not a single crash. everyone talks all the time. cutscenes work.

just can't walk.

I've yet to start playing and originally (talking 12:01am, Nov. 18th) it was because of the less than stellar pc controls as well as things like no walk toggle. Since then, I have decided I might be willing to just try to use the m&kb setup that's there and start to enjoy the game. However, with all the crash problems, quest bugs, dialogue swaps, banter issues, etc, I refuse to waste my $75 and ruin my experience of a game I've been waiting for until they fix these issues.

Going on 3 weeks now...

[Ncongruous]

Do you really think that somebody cares? LOL .... they dont give a **** about the situation - it will be released when some C "EA" O wants to release it ^^

Posting on the forum does indeed feel like shouting into the void at the moment. We and, perhaps more emphatically, I can continue to believe in change because it wasn't always like this. When I read through the reddit addressing the lack of communication I felt a pang of guilt. As an aside, I would just like to thank Mr. Johnson(BioAdmiralX), sinosleep, Seruthei and others for engaging some of those cogent thoughts there. Anyway, that pang stemmed obviously from the fact that we can be overbearing. I can be whiny and entitled. I know I can. But after I read that I looked around and I realized something important is missing from BioWare regardless of my demeanor. They need Sheppard or the Inquisitor here. A real life one.

 

They need someone that is capable of declaring what is being fixed, what will be fixed, what could potentially be fixed, and perfectly able to withstand the regretable, but understandable, scrutiny from the skewed perspective of the consumer. There's this cacophony that exists any way it gets sliced. A growing disconcert from growing disconnect. But thankfully it doesn't have to stay like that. BioWare isn't going to please everyone all the time obviously. BioWare can however earn some major respect by telling us how it is. Not everyone is going to respond positively but you can see in this thread alone that the amount of pessimism rose significantly after Allan ceased responding. It's unavoidable. So bring in Sheppard. An online persona that handles the difficult issues by walking softly and carrying a large stick. You'll make enemies a plenty but the honesty will be appreciated by rational people. I can guarantee after some time when Sheppard responds to a thread it won't be met with a unified malaise as it now feels. You will have people gradually understanding and commiserating. I only hope such a persona could actually exist and therein lies my misgivings for rectification.

 

I settle on the following. Silence does not foster understanding when words are all we have. *steps down from wooden palette*

[Jackal19851111]

They need Sheppard or the Inquisitor here. A real life one.

 

Nah, they need Josephine.

[Sabor]

Bioware isn't saying anything because it's still less than a month after release.  And just shy of Christmas.  The goldielocks zone of a game's release for maximum earnings.  If they acknowledge anything about bugs and glitches, it'll be on 100 websites and spread through word of mouth and potentially kill the wave.

 

I've yet to play this game since launch more than an hour of single player because I just CAN'T.  Not because I don't want to, but because I'm prevented from playing it by the game itself.  I left the Hinterlands at level 4, went to that town, and the game crashes on the load screen when you leave the town.  Nothing I can do.  Not only does it crash, it puts as much strain on my CPU as Prime95 would.  And the only thing that stops it is ending the task. There's other issues like stuttering, which is my main gripe, that make what is playable (The Multiplayer) more annoying than fun.  But the Multiplayer alone is not worth $60.

 

And so far, all these complaints for the most part are stuffed and contained in this one 215 page, 5400 replies, topic, where they aren't being talked about or spread all around the internet, putting absolutely zero pressure on EA or Bioware to get these problems sorted pronto

 

With no word on what's being fixed, or when, and the last communication here in this thread being from the 26th, I would get a refund right now if I could.  But I can't.  I'm stuck with the hole in my wallet this game put there, with nothing to show for it

[Reverend1313]

Why don't we as a community start emailing and contacting all the gaming news sites we frequent and try to bring attention to this thread the concerns of PC users?

[rupok93]

Why don't we as a community start emailing and contacting all the gaming news sites we frequent and try to bring attention to this thread the concerns of PC users?

 

 

You think gaming news sites gives two shits about us? They are in bed with their friends and aaa devs paying them.

[Ncongruous]

Nah, they need Josephine.

Hahaha did I just surmise an earlier post with my diatribe. Doh XD And yeah, I'll gladly accept a good intent ambassador/diplomat.

 

Why don't we as a community start emailing and contacting all the gaming news sites we frequent and try to bring attention to this thread the concerns of PC users?

I'd rather highlight the reddit thread that sinosleep linked. In it there's a view of why this behavior exists. It would make for an interesting case study.

[DisturbedJim83]

Bioware isn't saying anything because it's still less than a month after release.  And just shy of Christmas.  The goldielocks zone of a game's release for maximum earnings.  If they acknowledge anything about bugs and glitches, it'll be on 100 websites and spread through word of mouth and potentially kill the wave.

 

I've yet to play this game since launch more than an hour of single player because I just CAN'T.  Not because I don't want to, but because I'm prevented from playing it by the game itself.  I left the Hinterlands at level 4, went to that town, and the game crashes on the load screen when you leave the town.  Nothing I can do.  There's other issues like stuttering, which is my main gripe, that make what is playable (The Multiplayer) more annoying than fun

 

And so far, all these complaints for the most part are stuffed and contained in this one 215 page, 5400 replies, topic, where they aren't being talked about or spread all around the internet, putting absolutely zero pressure on EA or Bioware to get these problems sorted pronto

Thing is we should not have to spread this around,they should have done a decent job in the first place,they sure as hell should not have made that intentionally misleading "Made by PC Gamers for PC Gamers" video when anyone who had played a RPG on PC can tell in 2 minutes that no thought or effort was put into the PC UI.

 

KB/M functionality/usability was such and afterthought as to be non existent it smacks of incompetence that they completely forgot to do any quality control on what is the 2 universal standard input devices for a PC,its made even worse when most of the Devs claim to be PC Gamers did they honestly think the half baked job they have done would be acceptable?.

 

To add insult to injury now they have our money instead of fixing the issues and communicating they go total silent running not even issuing a progress update on the status of any patches or even issuing a apology, instead all they do is give PR BS speeches at award events along with never ending torrent of self publicizing marketing via twitter and other social media, but on their own bloody forum not a word, nada, zit, squat!

 

Bioware pull your heads out of your marketing bubble and fix your mess you owe us !.

[Jackal19851111]

I'd rather highlight the reddit thread that sinosleep linked. In it there's a view of why this behavior exists. It would make for an interesting case study.

 

He explicitly mentioned his fears that his posts will be pulled apart by journalists, hence the reason why he doesn't respond to this thread. So in highlighting his post, it'll just be proving him right. Clever really, but chances are it's going to be pulled apart as it does - from my perspective - prove Bioware's incompetence when it comes to being able to communicate with their fans.

 

And to think all this could have been averted if they didn't give us the silent treatment in the first place.

[Aguycalledhaney]

In what ways is WASD not responsive enough?  The inertia of starting moving?  I'm not sure why would hold LMB+RMB alleviate this when at first glance it seems like it wouldn't be much different than holding LMB+RMB = holding W.

 

Just curious if the issue is something else and that LMB+RMB wouldn't innately fix that if that other issue wasn't addressed.

 

I agree that movement is unresponsive, but I think it has more to do with the character's unusual handling when attacking. I notice this on melee characters. If I want to re position myself, say to the flank, it feels like I have to stop attacking, "unstick" myself from the enemy, and move around to the back. This may be purely an inertia thing as it happens fairly quickly, but juuuust slowly enough to be irritatingly obvious. I'm not sure if that's just me or not.

 

DA2 had this to a degree as well but it was far less noticeable as most people, myself included, used click-to-move (on terrain) to reposition, whereas DAI uses WASD which in my mind encourages rapid reactionary movement, such as circle strafing. That simply isn't possible with the mechanics of the game. I think adding click-to-move on terrain while using action cam will be a workable fix that would make that issue far less of a problem.

 

People are trained by generations of games that WASD implies instant, responsive movement. I totally understand that the mechanics of DAI involve more inertia, animation time, and so on. That's 100% fine. I think the negatives of such a system are hugely magnified without click-to-move. My worry is this will never be added as it's a worthless feature on consoles.

[King Dragonlord]

Sorry, but the evidence speaks for itself, they are not forbidden from responding. It is their own choice not to respond.

There is such a thing as being forbidden from saying certain things while being allowed to talk about others. 

[Brogan]

Bioware isn't saying anything because it's still less than a month after release.  And just shy of Christmas.  The goldielocks zone of a game's release for maximum earnings.  If they acknowledge anything about bugs and glitches, it'll be on 100 websites and spread through word of mouth and potentially kill the wave.
 
I've yet to play this game since launch more than an hour of single player because I just CAN'T.  Not because I don't want to, but because I'm prevented from playing it by the game itself.  I left the Hinterlands at level 4, went to that town, and the game crashes on the load screen when you leave the town.  Nothing I can do.  Not only does it crash, it puts as much strain on my CPU as Prime95 would.  And the only thing that stops it is ending the task. There's other issues like stuttering, which is my main gripe, that make what is playable (The Multiplayer) more annoying than fun.  But the Multiplayer alone is not worth $60.
 
And so far, all these complaints for the most part are stuffed and contained in this one 215 page, 5400 replies, topic, where they aren't being talked about or spread all around the internet, putting absolutely zero pressure on EA or Bioware to get these problems sorted pronto
 
With no word on what's being fixed, or when, and the last communication here in this thread being from the 26th, I would get a refund right now if I could.  But I can't.  I'm stuck with the hole in my wallet this game put there, with nothing to show for it

Then this thread needs more visibility.

This thread needs to be linked to on Twitter, on game sites, on review sites, and on Twitter some more.

[Sysliana]

I've yet to start playing and originally (talking 12:01am, Nov. 18th) it was because of the less than stellar pc controls as well as things like no walk toggle. Since then, I have decided I might be willing to just try to use the m&kb setup that's there and start to enjoy the game. However, with all the crash problems, quest bugs, dialogue swaps, banter issues, etc, I refuse to waste my $75 and ruin my experience of a game I've been waiting for until they fix these issues.

Going on 3 weeks now...

 

 

You're waiting to play the game because of all those other issues that you COULD have.. Some of the people playing (myself included) havent had any of those issues. No crashing, I still get party banter, havent had any quest bugs and I think Im at least half way through the game, if not more then half. Not really sure. I got to a decision that I had to made and havent loaded the game since then.. You may not have any of those issues.

 

Yes, the controls suck.. Yes, it shouldnt have been released like this at all. Yes, it needs to be fixed. But for -some- people, it is playable. The story (up until the point Im at) is great. Im one of the people that doesnt mind all the silly quests. In fact, for me, it makes my $70 bucks spent on the game more worth it cause it gives me more to do and more to play.. *shrug*. The lands are gorgeous, the scenery is excellent, the companions are for the most part hilarious and awesome.. Iron Bull. Hes just plain awesome.  Stupid controls aside Ive actually found myself enjoying it. Up until now anyway. Which has nothing to do with the actual game but more about me being a girl, I think lol

[Ncongruous]

Thing is we should not have to spread this around,they should have done a decent job in the first place,they sure as hell should not have made that intentionally misleading "Made by PC Gamers for PC Gamers" video when anyone who had played a RPG on PC can tell in 2 minutes that no thought or effort was put into the PC UI.

Agreed in that it should not be our responsibility. However establishing a precedent would definitely be worthwhile and beneficial to future instances.
 

KB/M functionality/usability was such and afterthought as to be non existent it smacks of incompetence that they completely forgot to do any quality control on what is the 2 universal standard input devices for a PC,its made even worse when most of the Devs claim to be PC Gamers did they honestly think the half baked job they have done would be acceptable?.

Completely agree. Won't offer a single rebuttal on their behalf.
 

To add insult to injury now they have our money instead of fixing the issues and communicating they go total silent running not even issuing a progress update on the status of any patches or even issuing a apology, instead all they do is give PR BS speeches at award events along with never ending torrent of self publicizing marketing via twitter and other social media, but on their own bloody forum not a word, nada, zit, squat!

I disagree with the first part but vehemently agree with the second part. See they have at least made the claim that bugs are being fixed. However they have not voiced what the patches fix. When the patches will arrive. Only that they are working on them. The nebulousness of the ordeal is bad. But hopefully, people such as Sabor are receiving the love first. Not being able to play a game after all this time is horrible.

[N1X0R2K]

The sad truth is that the only people that care about the state of the game are here, and being ignored, no one else cares, or they'd be here on our boat with us.